11/9/25 GAMEDAY Bills at Dolphins Post Game Thread

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

The Bears are 6-3 with the guys all of us wanted. The Patriots are 8-2 with the other guy all of us wanted. The rest of the board was trying to warn us that the Bills would fall apart with such a move. It's time to move on from this regime, but it's not going to happen. This is going to be McD and Beane purgatory time for several more years. 

They have 2 more seasons on their contracts until 2027.  They’ll almost certainly get another shot next season. 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

57 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

Yes

[buffalo2218]

5 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Yes, I agree with you there. 

 

Guess with the Bills, call it a rebuild or a reload or whatever.  In my opinion, they need to change their organizational philosophy.  Hire an offensive coach, build around your all world quarterback before his body declines, put all your chips in to win now, for the next five years, push contracts down the road, void years, etc....   Get an offensive guy, whether it is Klint Kubiak or whoever...  start the process , get into training camp next year with a new philosophy......hire a proven defensive coordinator......

 

I know this is all make believe and McDermott and Beane are going nowhere, but I dont agree with keeping the status quo just because you are scared of the unknown.

The worst unknown is drafting a franchise QB, we have that. Surely Beane will pull the trigger on McDermott if we don't make a deep playoff run. Which right now looks quite suspect. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think McDermott is capable of anything better than getting to and losing a conference championship

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I fear Josh is going to have to get away from us if he ever wants to win. He’s going to have to Matt Stafford this thing. I feel so bad for him. We’re stuck with this coach that has only gotten worse somehow over time. Josh deserves better 

Comparing the Lions franchise to ours during their playing time with them is not even close 

 

Lions went to the playoffs like three times in a decade 

 

We've missed it once with Josh

 

We're not trading Josh to the Chicago bears and they're becoming Super bowl champions instantly lol not how the NFL works 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Im fine with Joe Brady.

 

We forced a pick to start the game, follow with a 3 and out.  3rd and 2 run, you only call that if youre going for it on 4th.

 

Bradys playcalling lacks rhythm all season.  Predictable, uncreative.

 

Im fine with anyone else taking over.  Joe's head is on college ball imo...he will be offered a HC role at some point amd start recruiting.

The guy claims we can pass when we need to then says there's no issues when they can't do what he says they can do when they need to.  That's delusional thinking and that person has no business running this offense.  

 

Even Dorsey never said anything that bat%@$.

Edited 5 hours ago by Billz4ever

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

The worst unknown is drafting a franchise QB, we have that. Surely Beane will pull the trigger on McDermott if we don't make a deep playoff run. Which right now looks quite suspect. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think McDermott is capable of anything better than getting to and losing a conference championship

I don't think he can, either way, he should be grabbing a mirror. It's on both of them and fairly equal at this point. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Mikie2times

[tigerthelion]

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

The worst unknown is drafting a franchise QB, we have that. Surely Beane will pull the trigger on McDermott if we don't make a deep playoff run. Which right now looks quite suspect. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think McDermott is capable of anything better than getting to and losing a conference championship

Pegula would have to fire McDermott.   My preference would be for both McDermott and Beane to go.

[NeverOutNick]

8 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Pegula would have to fire McDermott.   My preference would be for both McDermott and Beane to go.

If only Pegula would actually do it. Maybe the fans need to get a petition together. You think all of TBD would sign it? I’m down

[TheFunPolice]

They say teams take on the personality of the coach.

 

That is exactly what has happened here. 

 

Low event football. Coach the spirit out of your players 

 

Just don't make mistakes. No mistakes. It takes a toll. 

[NeverOutNick]

Why do the mods keeping taking fun topics and merging them in gameday threads?

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

What do you expect when you have a 400 million quarterback and an offensive line .. and just paid a running back

 

Joe burrow is paid with flashy toys and he can't even play because he's always hurt 

 

There's give takes.. Josh 100% knows that his contract and keeping his offensive line intact means he has to make players around him better 

 

That was always the point of Superstar quarterback.. they make everybody around them better.. he fully understands that

 

 people act like we haven't lost by a field goal to the Chiefs the last couple years in the playoffs.. they are not touchdowns better than us in the playoffs we've been right there

That big QB contract doesn't seem to inhibit the Chiefs & Eagles from reaching and winning Super Bowl games years after year.  

 

There is a limit to how much better Allen can make players around him.  At some point there is nothing Allen can do.

 

The Bills are being greedy with Allen and they're asking to much of him.  Sure Allen has the type of personality that takes on that burden but it's up to Bean & McD to make sure there is a balance.  

 

That we have been so close to the Chiefs in the playoffs is entirely due to Allen's elite QB play in those games.  

 

 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

That big QB contract doesn't seem to inhibit the Chiefs & Eagles from reaching and winning Super Bowl games years after year.  

 

There is a limit to how much better Allen can make players around him.  At some point there is nothing Allen can do.

 

The Bills are being greedy with Allen and they're asking to much of him.  Sure Allen has the type of personality that takes on that burden but it's up to Bean & McD to make sure there is a balance.  

 

That we have been so close to the Chiefs in the playoffs is entirely due to Allen's elite QB play in those games.  

 

 

 

In 2023 and 2024 the Chiefs scored like 22-21 points per game 

 

Their offense did struggle throughout the regular season...  

 

The bills have averaged 30 26 and 28 

 

The Chiefs have struggled protecting Patrick mahomes and they do not have a bunch of crazy world-class weapons around him because salary cap the last two years 

 

Patrick mahomes average 22 points per game last year.. he had no running game not a great line and not great wide receiver play for the most part 

 

Again the difference was they had a healthy defense versus US last year and we didn't ..  it's not like they're blowing us out we are right there and been severely depleted 

 

It's one thing to have an injury that happened 8 weeks ago and be able to regroup and rebuild.. we're getting injuries six days before we play the Chiefs in the playoffs 

 

And we lose by three 

 

The Chiefs don't have a great offensive line and they don't have a great running game.. and they have not been scoring more than the bills for the last 2 years

 

 the difference is they're healthy on defense in the playoffs when we play them

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

In 2023 and 2024 the Chiefs scored like 22-21 points per game 

 

Their offense did struggle throughout the regular season...  

 

The bills have averaged 30 26 and 28 

 

The Chiefs have struggled protecting Patrick mahomes and they do not have a bunch of crazy world-class weapons around him because salary cap the last two years 

 

Patrick mahomes average 22 points per game last year.. he had no running game not a great line and not great wide receiver play for the most part 

 

Again the difference was they had a healthy defense versus US last year and we didn't ..  it's not like they're blowing us out we are right there and been severely depleted 

 

It's one thing to have an injury that happened 8 weeks ago and be able to regroup and rebuild.. we're getting injuries six days before we play the Chiefs in the playoffs 

 

And we lose by three 

 

The Chiefs don't have a great offensive line and they don't have a great running game.. and they have not been scoring more than the bills for the last 2 years

 

Offense has struggled because salary cap

 

In the years the Chiefs O struggled they had a very good defense, particularly in the playoffs.  

 

And the Chiefs WR room from last season was much better then the Bills current room. This may change when Palmer gets back and if Davis can contribute.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

In the years the Chiefs O struggled they had a very good defense, particularly in the playoffs.  

 

And the Chiefs WR room from last season was much better then the Bills current room. This may change when Palmer gets back and if Davis can contribute.

 

 

 

 

Their defense has definitely been great.. but it's been three point losses for us when we're more depleted than them 

 

I watched the Giants win the Super bowl as a 9 win team I don't think this season is over yet 

 

Literally it has to be next man up in the NFL

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, Process said:

Today was a gut punch. 

 

First time in 5 years I don't think this team can win a Superbowl.

 

There's definitely a growing feeling of skepticism whether this team is heading in the right direction... probably more than at any time since Josh has been our QB.

 

7 hours ago, Low Positive said:

And you know the Pats will win the SB this year. They have that look about them. And they have 60 million in cap space to make the team even better. Beane has botched this roster by overpaying for marginal guys he drafted, and we're in a hole for the remainder of Josh Allen's career. 

 

The Super Bowl winner will come from the NFC, IMO.

 

7 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said:

On Saturday, my dog had diarrhea in four spots in the house. The robot vacuum cleaner picked it up and spread diarrhea all over the house. I spent all day Saturday decontaminating the house, mopping, pulling out sprayed diarrhea from the walls and molding. On Sunday morning I had to take apart the robot vacuum Piece by piece to remove all the diarrhea.
 

That sums up this game.

 

So the moral of the story is what? 😜

 

7 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Idk what the callers said but from my own perspective, it is absolutely fine to criticize Allen’s play. He did not execute at the level he needs to in order for this team to win. It was by far his worst game in a long time, despite the garbage time passing numbers. That does not mean he isn’t elite, and that there are many other factors at play, but those ailments don’t excuse his lack of execution too. He’d be the first to tell you,

 

I agree that Josh shouldn't be above criticism and he absolutely missed several throws today as well as regressing to his impatient trying-to-do-too-much alter ego.

 

But as others have said, Josh is far from the top of the list of reasons they lost and he shouldn't have to play flawlessly every week for the team to win.

 

7 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

twice announcers mentioned josh and wr being not on the same page...  again i think that is due to the passing game over 5 yards 

being an after thought

 

I think this is a fundamentally important point and one I've been thinking about a lot lately... teams play what they practice and clearly the Bills practice the run game. Clearly they don't practice the downfield passing game... at least not enough. I know Josh has struggled with downfield accuracy this year but it's stunning how much he and his receivers are just not on the same page.

 

This team should devote an entire week of practice to nothing else but throwing the ball downfield. They're clearly not practiced enough in this area and it shows glaringly. They can run the ball fine and can afford not to practice run plays for one week.

 

Please dear god, practice throwing the ball to the boundaries and down the field.

 

6 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I am with you. There were a handful of times there were some underneath options I thought Allen passed up. Guys were covered up too. And he missed a couple. OL wasn’t great. Play calling lacked creative ingenuity to fabricate space and touches. It was just a complete failure by all. 

 

Yes, if the offense can't bully teams with the run game, they have no effective answer. None.

 

6 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Take it for what it’s worth - I have no documented proof - but I’ve been told that Beane was played by the Fins. He thought he had a deal in place for waddle but mia backed out last minute and Beane had no backup plan nor any time. So he was played by a team with no GM

 

too funny 

and sad

 

I thought about this quite a bit too. I was always skeptical that Miami or the Jets would ever pull the trigger on a trade with us. In fact if I were the Bills GM I wouldn't have spent much time trying to make it happen. In the wake of Chris Grier's firing, Miami has an interim GM Champ Kelly... who's an unknown quantity. He shouldn't be expected to adhere to any set of ethics or integrity that Beane might be expecting. There's zero relationship there. That path was fraught with pitfalls.

 

If it's true that deals with the Dolphins and the Jets fell through, Beane has only himself to blame for putting himself in that position. His faith in their good faith was naive and he should have been very skeptical.

 

6 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

the problem is at this point, even with a good gm i think it would take more than a year to make much of a dent in the roster...with out a fairly good tank

 

This is a preposterous statement.

 

In the true, overreacting, bipolar nature of this forum, half the people who were crying for that one final piece... the all-in move that would put us over the top are now saying this team needs a complete teardown. It's pathetic and inaccurate.

 

By all appearance the Bills had a good 2025 draft. With another good offseason, this team has as good a chance as any to hoist the Lombardi Trophy.

 

4 hours ago, Best Williams Available said:

There’s a tug of war between Beane Brady and Josh is in the middle being a good soldier

 

Why would there be a tug of war that doesn't include Sean McDermott?

 

6 hours ago, transient said:

Brady was the passing game coordinator and WRs coach for LSU in the Joe Burrow National Championship season... it's not like he didn't know how to air the ball out. I think this is entirely what McD wants. 

 

It's clear that McDermott wasn't happy with Dorsey's offense but that might have had as much to do with the pass/run ratio as anything.

 

While I'm sure McDermott is pleased with the run game, I wouldn't automatically assume he's a fan of Brady's entire offensive design and body of work.

 

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

I think we have to be close to parting ways with Brady territory if this team wants any chance to make a run.  
 

Beane screwed this team over royally with how he’s handled WR, but there’s no reason a team with an elite OL and Josh Allen should look this bad, so often. 
 

His bs answers about Keon is good off the ball.. ok, what? Hes a WR, not a fullback.  He has no concerns about the passing game?  Right.  
 

But most of all … Josh looks lost and physically/mentally broken.    That can’t happen.   And Beane/Brady have somehow made that so. 
 

Cant/Wont fire Beane right now, so there’s one lever left to pull.

 

I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Brady is a short timer in Buffalo and I would not assume that his position is solid.

 

Brady is the 4th OC McDermott's 9 years as Bills HC. Daboll left to become a Head Coach. Dennison was not retained and Dorsey was fired. There's not really a history of stability in that position.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sierra Foothills

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Their defense has definitely been great.. but it's been three point losses for us when we're more depleted than them 

 

I watched the Giants win the Super bowl as a 9 win team I don't think this season is over yet 

 

Literally it has to be next man up in the NFL

I don't think it's over yet either.  But time is running out.  In 2 of the last 5 seasons I've seen the Bills overcome worse situations then they are in now.  So it would not surprise me to see them go on a run.  But it also would not surprise me to see them fall flat on their face and struggle to have a winning record.  And that is different then how I've felt at this point in any of the last 5 seasons.

 

 

[Dick_Cheney]

As it stands right now we’d be playing the Pats in the first round lol. 

[BobbyC81]

8 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

LOL, how many times are you going to say that.

Probably as many times as Dick Jauron said it after losses.

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

In 2023 and 2024 the Chiefs scored like 22-21 points per game 

 

Their offense did struggle throughout the regular season...  

 

The bills have averaged 30 26 and 28 

 

The Chiefs have struggled protecting Patrick mahomes and they do not have a bunch of crazy world-class weapons around him because salary cap the last two years 

 

Patrick mahomes average 22 points per game last year.. he had no running game not a great line and not great wide receiver play for the most part 

 

Again the difference was they had a healthy defense versus US last year and we didn't ..  it's not like they're blowing us out we are right there and been severely depleted 

 

It's one thing to have an injury that happened 8 weeks ago and be able to regroup and rebuild.. we're getting injuries six days before we play the Chiefs in the playoffs 

 

And we lose by three 

 

The Chiefs don't have a great offensive line and they don't have a great running game.. and they have not been scoring more than the bills for the last 2 years

 

 the difference is they're healthy on defense in the playoffs when we play them

 

The Chiefs also have Chris Jones.

Edited 4 hours ago by BobbyC81

[jerryaldini]

McD should give a speech about the commitment and coordination of the Taliban attack on the Kabul airport during the US evacuation.  A little jihadi talk always seems to get the boys fired up.

[BillytheKid]

There is a reason no QB and head coach have ever won a Super Bowl together if they don’t do it in the first 5 years together. 
 

Teams start to know their tendencies across the league by that point and enough teams will have game plans that one of them will always knock them out before they win it. 
 

Huge reason Bills and Ravens both need to find new coaches or QB’s. Obviously they will both choose to keep their QB’s first but if they keep the coach it will be the same old thing again and again. Both teams wasting their QB’s with head coaches who can’t take their players any farther. 
 

Have to make a change at coach if the Bills want to win it all. Won’t happen with the coach they have now. History already proves it. There have been 33 of them and they are zero for 33 so far. 
 

AI answer to what needs to be done: 

AI Overview

 

If something is tried 33 different times by different people and never works, it would likely be considered a 

failure, a flawed process, or a systemic problem [1]. The consistent negative outcome strongly suggests that the problem lies with the method or the system itself, rather than the individuals attempting it [1].

Common terms for such a situation include:

Persistent failure: The repeated inability to achieve the desired outcome [1].

Fundamental flaw: The underlying method or design is inherently incorrect [1].

Systemic issue: The problem is embedded within the process or system used [1].

Futility: The effort is pointless because it consistently yields no success [1]. 

Yes, a significant change should be made.The accumulated evidence (33 failed attempts) provides robust data indicating the current approach is ineffective. Continuing with the same method would likely be considered irrational or a waste of resources [1].

Edited 3 hours ago by BillytheKid