Trade Deadline has come and gone

[Jerboski]

41 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I have simply come to terms with the fact that Beane and I don’t value draft picks the same.

 

I see them as lottery tickets. 

 

I would rather trade a lottery ticket for a known commodity, than use the lottery ticket.

 

I would rather cash in a 1 in a million chance at a billion dollars, for a guaranteed $100,000.

 

He doesn’t agree, and that sucks in my opinion, but it is what it is.

Drafts picks are very valuable when you are rebuilding or don’t have the QB… when you do and you have proven you can’t consistently hit your picks then why the ***** are you so scared to deal them 

 

makes no sense, more of the same crap. Rinse and repeat, second round and done 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

How do we know they were active?

 

To me, calling to check in is not being active.   Making offers, negotiating, or getting outbid is being active.  
 

Not dumping on you, just sharing my thoughts. 
 

Here’s why I was willing to trade a 1st and possibly more for a WR1.  This upcoming draft doesn’t seem to be WR heavy.  We also swing and miss at our last WR in the draft. Samuel hasn’t worked out and Palmer seems to be just a speed guy, not so much a route/speed/boundary guy

 

So, to me, to get a proven guy with a cheap contract for the next year or two, knowing Samuel/Knox’s contracts will be less by the time comes to resign the new receiver, it was a no brainer.  
 

We don’t have anyone that draws a double team or makes a defense afraid at receiver.  We need that in crucial situations, if only just to free up someone else to make a play.  
 

Also, if not now, then when l?

 

I had heard things early in the day. The Bills were very active. Again, I don’t know where their line was on respective deals but they were in negotiations on multiple trades.

[todd]

2 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

The guy did nothing because the fanbase supports ineptitude. 2 years we don’t have a legitimate #1or #2 receiver. We lose 3 D_tackles long term and he does nothing. We lose our starting safety, he stands pat. I’m sorry, his drafts suck,why are we afraid of bringing in a good player for draft choices that don’t pan out.

You're right. Cook sucks. Allen sucks. Kincaid sucks. Bishop sucks. Dawkins sucks. Spencer Brown sucks. Torrence sucks. Ed Oliver sucks. Epinesa sucks. Shakir sucks. Walker sucks. Hawes sucks. Hariston sucks. 

 

Yeah, Beane sucks at drafting. You're smart.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I had heard things early in the day. The Bills were very active. Again, I don’t know where their line was on respective deals but they were in negotiations on multiple trades.

 

They cleared cap space just in case.

[Virgil]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I had heard things early in the day. The Bills were very active. Again, I don’t know where their line was on respective deals but they were in negotiations on multiple trades.

I saw the same things, so just curious.   I wonder if it’s all the same smoke screens come draft time, or again, people heard that Beane basically made a phone call to check in.  

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

They cleared cap space just in case.

I’ll give you that 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I had heard things early in the day. The Bills were very active. Again, I don’t know where their line was on respective deals but they were in negotiations on multiple trades.

the difference between a 3rd and 4th pick  compared to the difference between losing in the Divisional Round/Championship and making a Super Bowl

 

TRADE THE PICKS. Ugh

[Aireskoi]

The Bills don't get good 1st round picks because they win too much.  I would ask for a higher price from the Bills than almost any other team if I was a GM.  I wouldn't have traded with the Bills if I was the GM of a team in division.  Josh is costing people jobs out there, why fuel their own demise. 

 

I wonder if they considered Knox to GB for a WR they liked, if any, but then I think they really want to keep building they way they are with the multiple TE's. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Beane doesn't answer to the fans. The fanbase absolutely does care about championships. 

 

No Beane doesn’t, but ownership does. When fans complain  on sports talk shows and on message boards,,podcasters, owners pick up on it. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Virgil said:

I saw the same things, so just curious.   I wonder if it’s all the same smoke screens come draft time, or again, people heard that Beane basically made a phone call to check in.  

I’ll give you that 

There were multiple negotiations. There was checking in as well but they were exchanging offers on some.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

There were multiple negotiations. There was checking in as well but they were exchanging offers on some.

besides Deebo/Von  who else? 

[transient]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

Von Miller is coming,  I can feel it

Maybe keep the TMI to yourself next time. 

[Fan in Chicago]

30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

There’s always a deal to be had but does it make sense? We don’t know what they were offering on Wilson or Waddle or Olave. If the Dolphins said, 2 1’s for Waddle would you do it? That’s too rich for me. I would have for Wilson but apparently they didn’t want to deal with division teams (guessing that was the Pats too).

 

The Bills are one of the best few teams in football. The only contenders that improved today are Seattle, Philly and Indy. It’s not like the elite teams all improved while the Bills stayed still.
 

I’ve been pounding the table to “make a move” as much as anyone. There wasn’t one that moved the needle.

We have a current need and are one WR short to firmly be in SB contention (I am not sold on the idea that we already are). 

Waddle , Wilson etc may have been expensive and not worth multiple firsts. 

But, Shaheed was traded. Worst case we would have had to over-,bid by a little to get him. Saints would have traded outside the conference so no concern on their part. What stopped Beane from acquiring him ? This slavish adherence to "value"?

Edited 9 hours ago by Fan in Chicago

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Virgil said:

I saw the same things, so just curious.   I wonder if it’s all the same smoke screens come draft time, or again, people heard that Beane basically made a phone call to check in.  

I’ll give you that 

 

The Jets were likely not going to help us out. Neither Miami. Teams have to want to trade a player for there to be as trade. Didn't Olave stay put?

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

the difference between a 3rd and 4th pick  compared to the difference between losing in the Divisional Round/Championship and making a Super Bowl

 

TRADE THE PICKS. Ugh

Again, I’m asking, “which specific move AND at what price would you have done?” 
 

 

[DeepPass]

1 hour ago, sunshynman said:

Watch the Boo Birds come out now. It's not the end of the world. Some people need to get lives!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Damn you Beane!

I agree with you.  Good that there was no trade that didn't make sense for the Bills.  I can see Davis & Palmer as the "NEW" receivers for the Bills!

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

besides Deebo/Von  who else? 

BTJ for sure. There were others I’m certain but those I know of.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

No Beane doesn’t, but ownership does. When fans complain  on sports talk shows and on message boards,,podcasters, owners pick up on it. 

 

Ownership doesn't get involved with the Bills, thankfully.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Again, I’m asking, “which specific move AND at what price would you have done?” 
 

 

I’d have given a 3rd for Shaheed.

[Success]

Just now, Fan in Chicago said:

We have a current need and one WR to firmly be in SB contention (I am not sold on the idea that we already are). 

Waddle , Wilson etc may have been expensive and not worth multiple firsts. 

But, Shaheed was traded. Worst case we would have had to over-,bid by a little to get him. Saints would have traded outside the conference so no concern on their part. What stopped Beane from acquiring him ? This slavish adherence to "value"?

 

Shaheed is another WR3.  He was really hyped here - but we have a roster full of WR3's.

 

[Mikey152]

Just now, mjt328 said:

Many NFL GMs seriously overvalue draft picks, and Brandon Beane unfortunately falls among that group.

 

If you listen to Beane's pressers after the draft, he will readily admit how difficult it is to obtain a high-level impact prospect (even in the 1st Round) when picking in the mid/late 20s.  Pretty much everyone we pick 4th Round and later is either depth, special teams, or iffy at even making the roster.  But when it comes time to possibly trade one of those draft picks for a proven veteran... he holds onto them like they are gold.

 

Think about the hot names we heard over the last couple days.  Jaylen Waddle was the 6th overall pick in 2021.  Chris Olave was the 11th overall pick in 2022.  We never had the slightest shot to draft either one where we were picking.  Both have been fairly productive in the NFL.  Yet only a few short years into their careers, Beane (and many other GMs) scoff at the idea of spending a 1st to obtain someone of that caliber.  They would rather take their chances with picking someone like Keon Coleman - who less than 20 months after getting drafted wouldn't fetch a Day 2 selection. 

 

As a rebuilding team, it was smart for the Jets to do what they did today.  It gives them more ammo to go after a potential franchise QB in the upcoming draft, which is the starting point for turning things around.  But honestly, even with all those picks... what are the odds they land another CB or DT close to the talent level of Sauce Gardner and Quinnen Williams?  

 

The Rams figured this out several seasons ago, and traded their way to a Super Bowl championship.  The Eagles are notoriously willing to part with draft picks to stack an already loaded roster, and it's paid off huge for them.  Teams that are close need to be buyers, because they can obtain elite/proven players in exchange for picks that probably won't come close to playing at that level.  It's absolute madness that more teams haven't figured this out yet.

This isn't even sort of true.

 

There are several things missing in your analysis:

 

The trade deadline is in the middle of the season. Football isn't a plug and play sport or fantasy, and even if a guy is proven vet it doesn't mean he is gonna just show up and be that guy for your team.

Vets are way more expensive and we are already all in with our roster...there isn't a lot of room.

Unless the guy is on an expiring contract, this year isn't the only one that matters

 

Everyone uses the Rams and Eagles as examples, but that is confirmation bias. What about all the teams that make trades and don't win?  I mean, the BILLS have made deadline deals and the guy was garbage either right away or the next season. It's just not as black and white as you want it to be.