Who in the hell is conditioning these players?

[BlazinBill]

Oliver got hurt by blowing past his guy and being tackled - Hoecht blew out his Achilles in a non contact after a PED suspension- I don’t think either one of the latest injuries has anything to do with anything specific besides the game of football 

Not saying all is right with their approach though- 

[BillsFanForever19]

There is no conditioning that can prevent injuries on the Football field.

 

You can condition to your hearts content, if your Achilles is going to go - it's going to go. If you get hit in an area and angle that's going to tear ligaments, the greatest conditioning isn't going to stop that.

 

You get them in the best shape you can get them. But it's still not going to stop wear and tear in a brutal sport like Football. We've gone through multiple strength and conditioning teams. Bad luck is just bad luck. It's not like they aren't doing their jobs and players are just hitting the field cold.

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Slack_in_MA]

13 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

This is dumb. Last year the Bills and Ravens were among the least affected by injuries and this year, among the most.  

 

You know why?  Players get hurt.  There is often nothing you can do about it.  That why it's a random factor. 

What would be interesting is a trend of some sort of meaningful injury stat over time, e.g., starting player games lost per year by team, because you’re right, in any year a team can have sh*t luck, but if there is a persistent trend over X years, that might point to a chronic problem. 

[TBBills Fan]

31 minutes ago, NavyBillsFan said:

Honestly guys, this team has some SERIOUS issues with this department!  I just cant size up this picture with the injuries on this team.  EVERY year gets worse....  

It is me. 

 

Look I wrestled in High School 39 years ago and running all 3 floors of stears for an hour, with sprints on floor two is excruciating.  

 

I'm doing a good job. 

[Turbo44]

Don’t laugh - it’s possible we trade for Von miller, horrible Harry and a wr (waddle or Olave is the dream, the other NO receiver probably closer to reality 

[Simon]

35 minutes ago, NavyBillsFan said:

Who in the hell is conditioning these players?

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

31 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

List was last updated Nov 1.  Don't forget Washington lost their QB too.

Washington is a good example. Not only lost Daniels who has already missed time this year, lost Austin Eckler, have been without Scary Terry most of the year, lost Lattimore yesterday as well for the year, have had OL injuries as well. They're sitting at 3-6 and are in the sellers market right now. 

[Augie]

I knew someone who had to blow into this little thing before they could start the car. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Washington is a good example. Not only lost Daniels who has already missed time this year, lost Austin Eckler, have been without Scary Terry most of the year, lost Lattimore yesterday as well for the year, have had OL injuries as well. They're sitting at 3-6 and are in the sellers market right now. 

 

The season is just over half done.  Let's keep our fingers crossed.  Hopefully some of the guys come back.

[Max Fischer]

19 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

What would be interesting is a trend of some sort of meaningful injury stat over time, e.g., starting player games lost per year by team, because you’re right, in any year a team can have sh*t luck, but if there is a persistent trend over X years, that might point to a chronic problem. 

 

In my opinion, there are far too many factors to determine a trend with any degree of certainty. It's much more likely that the difference in injuries between teams is due to random probability, and pinpointing the reason is down to an unprovable guess.  

 

Adding:  That's why it's so improbable that teams like the Chiefs have gone to the AFC Championship year after year.  Yes, they are outstanding, but they have also benefited from a relatively healthy team and the misfortune of their opponents (see key Bills injuries).  The same applies to the Bills' four-year Super Bowl run, and the opposite holds for the Patriots missing Brady for a year (when they could have won the Super Bowl that year as well). 

Edited 14 hours ago by Max Fischer

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

I knew someone who had to blow into this little thing before they could start the car. 

 

C'mon, give yourself some credit.

It's not that little!

[Matt_In_NH]

29 minutes ago, T.E. said:

I honestly wonder if the majority of the NFL is on PEDs, and if that is the cause of recent injury booms. Just seems like an open secret in professional sports across the board.

Do you have data to share of “injury booms”

[Success]

I thought we were really healthy last season.

 

This season is worse, but as others have said, most teams are hurting. We've only really lost one impact player for the whole season (Hoecht).

[Slack_in_MA]

Just now, Max Fischer said:

 

In my opinion, there are far too many factors to determine a trend with any degree of certainty. It's much more likely that the difference in injuries between teams is due to random probability, and pinpointing the reason is down to an unprovable guess.  

My point isn’t to try to get to root cause immediately, but rather to determine an objective measure to see if 1) the Bills have a trend that is improving, degrading, or staying steady, and 2) to see how the Bills compare to the rest of the league. We know all our team’s injuries by heart and how much they hurt, but how are they in relation to everyone else? That helps you understand if the Bills are an anomaly. If they aren’t, then using injuries as an excuse is just that— an excuse.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

C'mon, give yourself some credit.

It's not that little!

 

Straight lines, little things, it’s all so confusing…..you can see how a guy could get in trouble.  🤷‍♂️

 

 

Actually, we are probably all blessed to be here after some of the rides we have been a part of. We defied some odds. I’m very conservative about my driving now. 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

We've only really lost one impact player for the whole season (Hoecht).

 

Don't make me tell Ed Oliver where you live.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

36 minutes ago, T.E. said:

I honestly wonder if the majority of the NFL is on PEDs, and if that is the cause of recent injury booms. Just seems like an open secret in professional sports across the board.

This is what happened to Hoecht

 

PEDs make the tendons weaker

[Shortchaz]

We have been so fortunate with josh it’s a fair trade. Now, if josh gets hurt….

[Slack_in_MA]

16 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

In my opinion, there are far too many factors to determine a trend with any degree of certainty. It's much more likely that the difference in injuries between teams is due to random probability, and pinpointing the reason is down to an unprovable guess.  

 

Adding:  That's why it's so improbable that teams like the Chiefs have gone to the AFC Championship year after year.  Yes, they are outstanding, but they have also benefited from a relatively healthy team and the misfortune of their opponents (see key Bills injuries).  The same applies to the Bills' four-year Super Bowl run, and the opposite holds for the Patriots missing Brady for a year (when they could have won the Super Bowl that year as well). 

In response to your added comment, and back to OP’s original intent, isn’t it an intriguing thought as to whether the Chiefs health over time is a matter of luck or better conditioning? I think it’s fascinating and I can guarantee that every team has some analytical wonk on staff who pores over injury data, because, as they say, the most important ability is availability.

[T.E.]

34 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Do you have data to share of “injury booms”

Yes.

 

"According to the National Football League (NFL), the injury rate per 1,000 player-games has increased by 10% over the past five seasons. This trend is particularly pronounced in certain types of injuries, such as concussions, Achilles tendon tears, and knee injuries."

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10331270/