What's wrong with Josh?

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

This doesnt explain him missing throws.   He hasnt been good for a month now, and that isnt a result of being a game manager.

 

I think he got a concussion against the Pats

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

okay Thank you for the further explanation. Im going to bristle at the insinuation because I don't see she having done anything wrong that's all

I don't think she's done anything wrong at all either 

 

SHe's allowed to love her man 

 

But Josh Allen if we want him to bring super bowls to Buffalo he has to be football all the time. quarterbacks don't win super bowls unless their life revolves evolves around football

 

These guys live sleep and breathe it... To a degree that could be considered extreme

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[OldNMBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

No separation from WRs and the OL not being as good at pass blocking as they get credit for. Results in quick pressure, nobody open to throw to and as the game goes on Josh gets happy feet because he's not trusting the protection.

Josh needs 3 yards of separation to possibly complete a pass, meanwhile Dalton was completing passes with 2 feet of separation. Get a grip, Josh is not playing well. I hope he gets better.

 

Go Bills.

Edited 4 hours ago by OldNMBillsFan

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Bro stop you're embarrassing yourself 

 

Dude people on this board were saying Josh Allen is going to demand a trade to California because his wife but I'm embarrassing myself 

 

I'm taking the words I read here and flipping them cuz I read it here he's going to demand a trade

 

If that's the case we're already screwed

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I don't think he's any slower, just less decisive. I think coaches have drilled into his head don't scramble and take hits. As a result he takes off one second later which is all it takes for the gap to close.

I think he’s slower personally. 

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Plaxico Burress >>>anyone we have at WR

 

they also had Shockey iirc

 

So no we definitely did not have more offensive talent than the Giants

It was also the most improbably Super Bowl upset in history. 
 

When you have a superstar at QB, you aren’t supposed to need to be the 2007 Giants to win a ring. 

[colin]

16 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

One other point.  Against Atlanta and against Carolina today Allen fired 3 great passes to WR's at the boundary that just missed being in bounds.  I believe all 3 would have resulted in 3rd down conversions had they been caught.  I am very confident that Diggs & Davis catch those 3 passes keeping their feet in bounds.  I watch a lot of football, both NFL & college, and the good WR's make those catches.  In fact last season Cooper made a couple of those kinds of catches at critical moments.

 

We are 7 games into the season and I can't recall a Bills skill player making an exceptional catch.  Maybe the Coleman snag of that batted ball against the Ravens but where I often see multiple WOW catches made in almost every NFL game the lack of those kinds of catches in Bills games goes a long way towards explaining the passing game struggles.  Thankfully, Shakir has had a couple of elite RAC moments or we would really be in trouble throwing the football.

 

 

 

 

 

Josh is off the last three games, but the wrs are just trash right now.

 

I loved the o today, but what I still saw was a big lack of passing to backs and ends.   There were like what, 6 or so targets to them?  That's a lot of yards left on the field 

 

Also, we have one single wr that Allen trusts playing right now, and shakir is a small not super fast slot guy.  That's not much for a d to take away.

 

It's not a huge matter though, if we go jumbo and stay two dimensional out of it we can pass or run with insane success.  Gilliam (who is blocking like an all pro) will be open for passes whenever we want to throw them.  He might shoplift a tub or two in the playoffs.

[thenorthremembers]

10 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

At the moment, probably not.  I would prefer to build the team around their best player, but the team has obviously not done that.   I think building around your franchise QB generally gives your team the best chance at winning.  I would rather have some actual NFL talent at WR, and maybe 30 to 35 throws a game.  Cook could still get his 20 carries, and he should be a way bigger factor in the passing game, also.   This team is not realistically challenging for a Super Bowl without Allen being their best player, in my opinion. 

I am fully on board with that.  I seriously hope they go get a #1 wideout in a trade this week.  Then I hope they draft another one in the first two rounds of the draft.  

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I think he’s slower personally. 

It was also the most improbably Super Bowl upset in history. 
 

When you have a superstar at QB, you aren’t supposed to need to be the 2007 Giants to win a ring. 

We already used up our improbable run unfortunately 

 

Giants 2007, Tampa Bay 2021 or Eagles 2024 defensive performances aren't walking thru our door anytime soon

[<bills4life>]

7 hours ago, 5ths the charm said:

It's like Josh lost the edge with the Hollywood wife and life.

 

55 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

More times than not, the play called to the WR isn’t there. Josh is literally going thru multiple reads and no one is remotely open. 
 

What is very concerning is how often we are throwing horizontally vs vertically. Where are the speed crossers from Samuel or Moore? Delayed drags by the TE’s? Release to the RB’s? Ty Johnson passes out of the backfield against a LB we’re money last year. I haven’t seen anything like that called. 
 

And lastly, it’s criminal Brady isn’t using Cook in the passing game!

 

One would think we a strong running game, play action would be an offense strength!

 

Our passing game looks like a grind, compared to so many other offenses. When the last time you remember Josh having an easy throw to a WR? We are getting NOTHING from Samuel, Moore, Coleman and Shavers. 

And that’s the real issue right there.  Bills should be on the phone with Jacksonville.   Keon a 2nd and a 5th for Bryan Thomas jr.

[Coach Tuesday]

He has zero margin for error because he has the worst group of receivers in the entire NFL.  Brandon Beane is criminally negligent.

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

 

And that’s the real issue right there.  Bills should be on the phone with Jacksonville.   Keon a 2nd and a 5th for Bryan Thomas jr.

Honestly I’d like to keep Keon. Give them Curtis Samuel and throw in Taylor Rapp since they want secondary help and we don’t need any more friendly fire injuries. And I would be fine giving them a first. BTJ is off right now but he’s worth it

[Allen2Moulds]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I understand all of that yet at the end of the day the Giants won the super bowl versus an undefeated New England Patriots with their third receiver having less than 300 yards on the season 

 

Josh Allen is the greatest talent I've ever seen in 35 years of playing coaching and scouting 

 

And he has the ability to get it done when it matters.. I believe that.. we have more offensive talent than that Giants team 

 

Which had an old plaxico burress, an old Armani tumer and their number three wide receiver one for 300 yards

That Giants team won because it was lead by a hall of fame DE, and had 4-5 superb pass rushers. Also had Brandon Jacob's which at the time was a poor man's Derek Henry. Plaxico was still a 1000yd 12td guy, far from washed. Also caught the game winner if I remember correctly.

 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

That Giants team won because it was lead by a hall of fame DE, and had 4-5 superb pass rushers. Also had Brandon Jacob's which at the time was a poor man's Derek Henry. Plaxico was still a 1000yd 12td guy, far from washed. Also caught the game winner if I remember correctly.

 

If Dalton Kincaid didn't get injured he might be a thousand yard 12 touchdown guy this season 

 

Just like Brady with gronkowski if he plays 12 games on the regular season but is healthy for the playoffs that's all that matters

 

Yes plaxico burress caught the game winner.. but if you're going to have barely 2,000 yards out of your top four wide receivers I bet the bills have more

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[<bills4life>]

3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Honestly I’d like to keep Keon. Give them Curtis Samuel and throw in Taylor Rapp since they want secondary help and we don’t need any more friendly fire injuries. And I would be fine giving them a first. BTJ is off right now but he’s worth it

I agree. The problem is that you have to give up something to get something. Samuel has zero value. And with that contract?  I don’t think they would want him. I know I wouldn’t. 

[Allen2Moulds]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

If Dalton Kincaid didn't get injured he might be a thousand yard 12 touchdown guy this season 

 

Just like Brady with gronkowski if he plays 12 games on the regular season but is healthy for the playoffs that's all that matters

 

Yes plaxico burress caught the game winner.. but if you're going to have barely 2,000 yards out of your top four wide receivers I bet the bills have more

I really like what I've seen from Dalton to start the year, unfortunately he was banged up most of last year, and like it or not, the season ended with a ball going through his arms. Not an easy catch, but the type of play that makes it into your SB highlight tape. And here we are and he's banged up again this year.

I have to see it, and can no longer play the what if game with these guys. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I really like what I've seen from Dalton to start the year, unfortunately he was banged up most of last year, and like it or not, the season ended with a ball going through his arms. Not an easy catch, but the type of play that makes it into your SB highlight tape. And here we are and he's banged up again this year.

I have to see it, and can no longer play the what if game with these guys. 

Listen I just bought an ed Oliver Jersey and I don't buy jerseys 

 

The only two jerseys I bought in 15 years Josh Allen Ed Oliver 

 

And now Ed looks like he's done again.. like he's a terrific football player damn 

 

People think we need to trade for a wide receiver maybe we should inquire about a nice defensive tackle? Tennessee Titans defensive tackle can't think of his name right now and I like using my brain not googling stuff lol

 

But he was drafted ,8 pics after ed Oliver and has been a game record in a 4-3 and 3-4 

 

Justin Simmons I'd make the call

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Saint Doug]

My guess is he’s going injured. He hasn’t been on laying his normal self since the pats. We see this from time to time and it comes out later he had a broken hand or leg. Let’s just hope he can hobble along to salvage the season. There’s too many great teams this year not named the Chiefs or the Ravens. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

He has been off the mark too frequently, especially the past few games. No QB is perfect on all throws and Josh always has a few "what was that"'s? But it's been more than usual.

 

And it's coming at the worst time bc it's not like we have open pass catchers on a regular basis where we can afford to be missing them when they're there. Which sucks for him that he has to take criticism in large part due to things he can't control. But it is what it is. He's gotta stop missing the mark as much as he is.

The throw to his left to Elijah Moore about 15 yards down field, late in the 1st half I think, who was wide open he missed brutally.  That was rough. 
 

I could have put that in there better.  
 

Joah doesn’t play in a QB friendly offense.  We don’t come out trying to throw all over the field.  Other than Shakir, who we don’t use properly, (he is notch or two below Jamar Chase, but dam good ) we have noone at WR who even worries a little (let alone scares) defenses.  
 

That being said, Josh needs to be a little more aggressive w his throws.  He doesn’t just let it rip like he used to.

 

He needs a little Jameis Winston/Fitzie in him.  It’s called ego.  He needs to tell the coaches this is what I want to do.  He is better than McDermott.  He needs to start acting that way a bit more.  

[5ths the charm]

20 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

 

And that’s the real issue right there.  Bills should be on the phone with Jacksonville.   Keon a 2nd and a 5th for Bryan Thomas jr.

From last year we lost a semi productive wr that was better at blocking and another wr we traded for that did nothing and the wr room declined? I wonder if it's more about the routes and schemes or calls than the players.

[Success]

The Bills need a NUMBER ONE WIDE RECEIVER.

 

That will change everything.  It will make everyone better.