Who's the Emotional Leader on the Bills ??

[T master]

You know watching games since the Bills / Pats game I have noticed some things that have seemed to be missing when watching the Bills as they play and that's emotion weather on the field or on the side line after certain plays and wondered if the Bills have that emotional leader on the team .

 

I know Jordan Phillips use to be that guy yet not sure if any of the young guys have stepped into that role and when Josh is pictured on the side line he looks anything but enthused with what is happening weather its on the field or on the sidelines . I remember times when he would be up and down the sidelines pumping guys up when he or someone else would make a play but that's been a minute .

 

While watching the Pats game and when he was here Diggs was up and down the side line just pumping guys up telling them according to the announcers that he said "they ain't gonna give this to us we have to go get it" just getting after guys and amping them up to go out and give it all they had and he did that when he was here too & I don't see that guy on the Bills sideline .

 

Hollins was the guy last year that took up that mantle he'd be giving everybody some juice when he made a play smack talking and sometimes on the verge of getting penalized for getting in the opponents face & I just don't see that guy this year, am I just missing that person ?

 

Is there one of the Bills players that is doing that & I'm just not seeing it or they aren't showing him, is there a coach that is providing that ? I saw Robert Salah last night giving guys props when they were coming off the field after a good play smacking their pads and I just haven't seen that while watching the Bills this year is their flame just flickering or what's going on .

 

I know Josh is in a commercial on just about every TV break that they have now & I feel that he has way to many distractions now compared to last season, being married his attention of course is in some respects there & then all of the products that want his image endorsing their products I'm not sure if he is as razor focused as he has been in the past at least his play the last 3 or so games hasn't shown that .

 

This is just a mind dump trying to figure out what's up because from the play that I have been seeing from the Broncos, Colts, Chiefs, Pats, Dallas, even the Browns showed good play yesterday .

 

The Bills need to get some kind of emotions ramped up or they will get steam rolled if they don't start playing more inspired/emotional football because these other teams are going after it big time . What do ya'll think ???

[BuffaloBillyG]

Emotional leader? Look no further than James Cook. Guy is a ball of fire.

[Gigs]

Lmao, dude, they're the Hollywood Bills, what emotion? They're just going thru the motions, they don't care. 

 

Everyone here has seen Chris Jones this season, looking like a man who already won those superbowls and is just here for a paycheck now; no hunger. Thats this team right now. Humble and Hungry went out the window when the cameras came in. Maybe it wasnt their choice, but they ate it up like a fat kid eating cake. 

 

Edit: at least we know about the scooter culture, and Hamlin writing a book 🙄

Edited 5 hours ago by Gigs

[T master]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Emotional leader? Look no further than James Cook. Guy is a ball of fire.

True I did see him get a little pissed last week when he wasn't in the game at crunch time, your spot on !! 

[JP51]

Sorry to be Captain Obvious... but Josh Allen is...  we unfortunately do not have a defensive emotional captain at all...  Like a Kyle Williams as I stretch to think would would have been an effective emotional leader after him... Maybe Poyer and Hyde...   the result on the defense is obvious... they play like a lethargic, rudderless pack of looney tunes cartoon characters chasing a rabbit they wont ever catch...  running over each other in the process... time to stop trusting the process... 

 

two other points you made I agree with.... 

 

Keeping Samuel or whomever over Hollins was a mistake... this guy to me is a greater than the sum of his parts example you put in a book

 

I have started wondering if all of these commercials has started to erode JA17s focus... I am not saying it has... but it has happened to more than 1 player out there... 

Edited 5 hours ago by JP51

[Paup 1995MVP]

I agree 100.  I said that after the Pats game. Diggs was all pumped up on the sideline getting everyone fired up.  Haven’t seen that from anyone on the Bills.  
 

Josh comes off the field and takes a seat on the bench by himself or next to Trubisky.  He seems sullen and seems to have isolated himself from his teammates.  He used to be the emotional leader of the team.  I have not seen that in some time.  
 

The team really seems emotionless.  I think they have tuned McDermott out.  This is year 9.  I don’t think the players get anything from McDermott at this point.  They know his schemes are bland and not creative.  And probably don’t expect to be any better than they have been because they know they get no advantage from our coaching staff.  And I think he plays favorites with marginal veterans over more talented young players.  And the players have to see that. 
 

I believe a major housecleaning is in order if rhe same disinterested play continues through the season.  
 

I think they the league is passing the Bills by.  And if they don’t adapt they are going to take a big step back.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just wait until the pats lose a bit, and we will see how their emotional leader channels that emotion. 

[Kirby Jackson]

It’s Josh but so far we have the head hanging version of Josh this year. He doesn’t get all fired up for every game but still generally does for the biggest moments. He’s the only answer. The OL would be my 2nd choice. 
 

The Bills could use a little fire and swagger. That’s why Curt Cignetti was my coaching target (prior to getting $11.5M a year). CGJ would have been a nice pickup for this reason too (in addition to our safeties being terrible).

Edited 5 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I agree 100.  I said that after the Pats game. Diggs was all pumped up on the sideline getting everyone fired up.  Haven’t seen that from anyone on the Bills.  
 

Josh comes off the field and takes a seat on the bench by himself or next to Trubisky.  He seems sullen and seems to have isolated himself from his teammates.  He used to be the emotional leader of the team.  I have not seen that in some time.  
 

The team really seems emotionless.  I think they have tuned McDermott out.  This is year 9.  I don’t think the players get anything from McDermott at this point.  They know his schemes are bland and not creative.  And probably don’t expect to be any better than they have been because they know they get no advantage from our coaching staff.  And I think he plays favorites with marginal veterans over more talented young players.  And the players have to see that. 
 

I believe a major housecleaning is in order if rhe same disinterested play continues through the season.  
 

I think they the league is passing the Bills by.  And if they don’t adapt they are going to take a big step back.  

A large majority were saying the same thing two years ago when this team was on the ropes.  The Bills defense actually played pretty inspired in the 2nd half against the Falcons, after a disastrous first half.  This is after a ton of injuries and suspensions had hit them.  Meanwhile, the offense apparently didn’t know what to do against a blitz anymore.  They’re going to come out of the bye week and spank the Panthers.

Edited 5 hours ago by strive_for_five_guy

[T master]

3 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Sorry to be Captain Obvious... but Josh Allen is...  we unfortunately do not have a defensive emotional captain at all...  Like a Kyle Williams as I stretch to think would would have been an effective emotional leader after him... Maybe Poyer and Hyde...   the result on the defense is obvious... they play like a lethargic, rudderless pack of looney tunes cartoon characters chasing a rabbit they wont ever catch...  running over each other in the process... time to stop trusting the process... 

Josh hasn't been that guy of late ! He looks less than enthused at all when the camera is on him In the game he sits with a blank stare on his face when he use to be the guy up and down the side line pumping guys up telling them we can do this now - nothin or at least I haven't seen it ...

[sunshynman]

2 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Sorry to be Captain Obvious... but Josh Allen is...  we unfortunately do not have a defensive emotional captain at all...  Like a Kyle Williams as I stretch to think would would have been an effective emotional leader after him... Maybe Poyer and Hyde...   the result on the defense is obvious... they play like a lethargic, rudderless pack of looney tunes cartoon characters chasing a rabbit they wont ever catch...  running over each other in the process... time to stop trusting the process... 

100%. It's Josh (and quietly Cook) on O. Missing that on D. But the problem the leader has to backup his talk with play. Bosa is one of the D players being consistent. And him and Groot are the quiet type. Seems like that LB we brought in is quiet but productive as well. If we had a smart, leader at MLB that would help a bunch. Let's hope they figure something out on D during this bye. Otherwise, it's going to be a long ugly season. 

[JP51]

1 minute ago, sunshynman said:

100%. It's Josh (and quietly Cook) on O. Missing that on D. But the problem the leader has to backup his talk with play. Bosa is one of the D players being consistent. And him and Groot are the quiet type. Seems like that LB we brought in is quiet but productive as well. If we had a smart, leader at MLB that would help a bunch. Let's hope they figure something out on D during this bye. Otherwise, it's going to be a long ugly season. 

Agreed, and Cook I think is a leader by example.. quiet yes.. but as he plays... he speaks.. lots of room for guys like that... very complimentary of JA...  Dion Dawkins is another one  I think is a solid leader...  Knox is a bit more of a cheer leader... but thats fine...  The Defense sweet jesus...  this is a mess... Bosa is the only one their that i can see actually commanding the respect to do that... he needs to make more plays... unfortunately, the only plays really being made and blowing stuff up have been my him (save an interception by Bernard).  I would like to think Benford would be a bigger leader but it seems like he got his contract and is happy, Same with Rousseau... like there doing their job at a C level... but really nothing inspiring ...  Ed Oliver hurt and watching him got knocked on his a$$ by a running back was an interesting sight...  like I get it but geez... thats a bad look...  I also agree, some epiphany must happen this bye week or this is gonna be a mess of a season and we legitimately need to look to quickly reset and shed some of Beane's atrocious signings and redo this... 

[zow2]

The "Josh is too distracted due to commercials" take is being overblown.  98% of those commercials for all NFL players are shot in the offseason.  These Advertising people know that the players don't want to be bothered during the season. 

There might be a couple local things, with charitable ties that are shot during the off day in-season.

[corta765]

The offense its Josh Dawkins Cook Brown.

 

The defense though since Poyer/Hyde left I honestly think lacks one at this point. I think at times Oliver has that bug but not fully or in the way to get the guys going. Bernard is the captain but I find him lack luster and he really has not found himself yet to get that side of the ball going.

[Bruffalo]

This kind of speculation leans on having a conclusion and then trying to work your way backwards to to find evidence. I don't think it's particularly useful. 

 

I don't think any of their problems are from being too emotional or not emotional enough. 

The playcalling has been poor and the skill position talent hasn't been good enough to overcome that, especially during high pressure moments. 

 

Allen's commercials have nothing to do with it.  

[JP51]

26 minutes ago, T master said:

Josh hasn't been that guy of late ! He looks less than enthused at all when the camera is on him In the game he sits with a blank stare on his face when he use to be the guy up and down the side line pumping guys up telling them we can do this now - nothin or at least I haven't seen it ...

I honestly will not disagree with you here... when we were getting to 4-0 he was yelling and screaming and all of that... but in these two losses because I think he played waaaay under his potential he kinda sat at the end of the bench all mad at himself and whomever else... he needs to regain that leadership swagger...  so count me as a I dont disgree... but in the end.. he is the emotional leader and he has been a little absent.. and the people he is leading played like it in my estimation... but he is the one they are looking to....  JC can be a nice complimentary leader, so can Dawkins... but if you have DD or JC as the one that Josh and the rest of the offense are looking to for leadership, then we ultimately have issues...  

[JP51]

5 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

This kind of speculation leans on having a conclusion and then trying to work your way backwards to to find evidence. I don't think it's particularly useful. 

 

I don't think any of their problems are from being too emotional or not emotional enough. 

The playcalling has been poor and the skill position talent hasn't been good enough to overcome that, especially during high pressure moments. 

 

Allen's commercials have nothing to do with it.  

Not gonna lie, I am not saying I disagree, but I am saying I am wondering...  I remember Sean Payton going after Russell Wilson for the same thing... not that he is right or wrong, but I do think it is a thing... lets see how he adjusts and plays thru the season before I am convinced 1 way or the other... but it is something I ponder... he just got married, won and MVP and become a household celebrity...  I think he has the grounded personality to handle all of this change but maybe he is adjusting to a new normal...  I dont know...  

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, corta765 said:

The offense its Josh Dawkins Cook Brown.

 

The defense though since Poyer/Hyde left I honestly think lacks one at this point. I think at times Oliver has that bug but not fully or in the way to get the guys going. Bernard is the captain but I find him lack luster and he really has not found himself yet to get that side of the ball going.

Brown I can vibe with as a leader of a team trying to win a Super Bowl. 
 

Josh, typically, but I don’t know.. maybe it’s just the overall start of the season so far, and I don’t want to read into his comments to Marty Smith as that IS the correct view to have on life, but vibes seem off with him right now. 
 

Dawkins is the guy who goes on a 15 minute philosophical monologue whenever he’s asked if it’s Super Bowl

or bust .. and I don’t love that. 
 

Cook barely speaks. 
 

If that’s the emotional core of the team, Brown and sometimes Josh aside, ehhhh..

[SectionC3]

This is another read on why I wouldn’t be surprised to see Poyer on the 53 soon.  He can have cod’s spot. 

[Pecker]

This team misses Hollins on and off the field.  Big mistake not resigning him