Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

No one is stating that run checks don't exist. We are stating that your example is not correct.
 

This is the play and formation (below) where you wanted Allen to check to the right:



The QB is going to walk up to the LOS and divide the defensive box into halves. I have made them into orange and yellow boxes for convenience. He sees 4 defenders on the right and 4 on the left. This is an even box.



The WR goes in motion for the sole purpose of drawing either the left CB or left LB to follow him, making it only 3 defenders on that side of the field:



The left CB, as planned, does start to follow the motion WR but quickly recovers and goes back toward the ballcarrier when he see's its a run. Keon, being oblivious to this fact, does not block this CB. He also doesn't chip the DE like he is supposed to, barely getting a single hand on him:



Keon, having done absolutely NOTHING to help, moves on to the second level to block literal AIR, and Edwards, who was slow off the ball, puts both of his hands into Dion's back instead of engaging the DE. McGovern is meanwhile being stiff armed to the face and overpowered.



Everyone in red (below) completely misses their blocks, dooming the play. Not because of the direction, but because they suck at football. 



 

Summary: NO, this play should NOT have gone to the other side. It was called properly and Allen diagnosed the defense properly. It would have been a huge gain if the O-line and Keon simply made their blocks.
 

 

No, NOT everyone is a viable target. Progressions and pressure, for one. But also, Joe Brady has talked in depth about how his offense has receivers whose only job is to clear out or draw attention away from where the play is meant to go, and just because they are open is not meant as an indication for Josh to go there... that they set up plays for later, etc.
 

I am well aware of the design of a play and three of the plays I posted, whether to your unsatisfactory level, were designed for multiple reads. 2 are a level and clear out concept that are built upon getting the ball to the underneath target once it’s cleared out. Josh’s throw to a 50/50 ball where Keon was the target was the wrong throw. The following okay the exact same concept was run that resulted in less time to throw and a completion to Shakir. 
 

The run play you are highlighting can be run either way. There is 4 defenders on either side of the box, the motion shifts the defenders over. That’s a 4 on 4. WRs struggled to block the whole first half. You’ve now resulted in 2 lineman, a pulling guard and 2 receivers holding that edge from pressure instead of 3 lineman, a blocking TE and a WR. Either side could have resulted in a gain but if you’re dead set that there isn’t a check built in and they have to have that personnel block what they did, ok.  

[Tulsabillsfanz]

I would guess most every QB is their most undisciplined when they have no time to throw and are getting hit hard. 
 

Josh has had a career low pocket time of 2.0 seconds this season and has been sacked 12 times in the first 6 games vs 14 sacks in 16 full games last season.   That doesn’t include the shots he’s taken while unloading the ball to avoid a sack.  I’m just glad he’s as tough as he is. A lot of QBs would’ve been knocked out of Monday night’s game. 

[goldenboy81]

He's human,gonna have a bad game once in awhile. What would be nice is if someone else carried the team that 1 game a year which Allen is off. 

They're gonna do a special one day on how he won the mvp last year with a bunch of mids.

[GoBills808]

also @Einsteinyou are correct, zero point zero chance of throwing that shovel pass normally

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

also @Einsteinyou are correct, zero point zero chance of throwing that shovel pass normally

I keep watching it, and I don't always know what I'm seeing, but I can't figure out what was supposed to happen. 

[Governor]

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

i very much agree

 

 'culture' and 'locker room' and all those feel-good ways of saying we have a nice group of guys who enjoy playing football together does nothing for me. never has

 

if it gets results, great. if it doesn't, do something else. but ffs stop pretending ***** like being a family or growth mindset matter more than trying to win a super bowl

 

 

For years now our fans have elevated the importance of this mysterious culture. It’s just become an automatic defense, tired talking point because there just isn’t much else great to say about the situation. We have a defensive HC and his defense sucks.

 

Truth is, 9 out of 10 NFL coaches could create a culture good enough to win a SB if the talent is there. Rex Ryan probably being that 1 that can’t. Lmao

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

I keep watching it, and I don't always know what I'm seeing, but I can't figure out what was supposed to happen. 

im equally lost tbh

 

both Coleman and Shavers are almost 10 yards past the line to gain before either of them get their heads around, i mean come on- it's 4th and 2

Shakir on the drag is at least working a reasonable part of the field but again...too slow developing

 

they had a lot of presnap stuff (they moved Johnson from strong to weak, at first wide then Allen brought him back in, plus Shavers jet motion) that looks like they're trying to ID the defensive look but just failed to get Falcons to show anything...and then ran a play that had very little chance of success as drawn up

 

bad bad offense

[Buffalo716]

45 minutes ago, Governor said:

For years now our fans have elevated the importance of this mysterious culture. It’s just become an automatic defense, tired talking point because there just isn’t much else great to say about the situation. We have a defensive HC and his defense sucks.

 

Truth is, 9 out of 10 NFL coaches could create a culture good enough to win a SB if the talent is there. Rex Ryan probably being that 1 that can’t. Lmao

That is absolutely not true 

 

People like Steve spagnola who people on this board fawn over have a record of like 11-41 as a head coach.. he has nothing to build on as the guy in control of everything

 

There is not one pure coordinator in the NFL Hall of Fame telling you what they think of coordinators who cannot get it done as head coaches 

 

AKA there's a lot more coordinators than people who could get it done as both 

 

Most coordinators cannot and do not become successful head coaches... To be a successful head coach you need to be able to juggle your own specialty while game planning for all sides of the ball.. manage the game day roster.. develop first through 7th round draft picks

Edited 16 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Governor]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That is absolutely not true 

 

People like Steve spagnola who people on this board fawn over have a record of like 11-41 as a head coach.. he has nothing to build on as the guy in control of everything

 

There is not one pure coordinator in the NFL Hall of Fame telling you what they think of coordinators who cannot get it done as head coaches 

 

AKA there's a lot more coordinators than people who could get it done as both 

 

Most coordinators cannot and do not become successful head coaches... To be a successful head coach you need to be able to juggle your own specialty while game planning for all sides of the ball.. manage the game day roster.. develop first through 7th round draft picks

All of this yearning for culture started when people became convinced that no great players would ever willingly come to Buffalo unless we drastically overpaid them or offered something else magical to lure people there. 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

All of this yearning for culture started when people became convinced that no great players would ever willingly come to Buffalo unless we drastically overpaid them or offered something else magical to lure people there. 

 

The Patriots have the greatest NFL dynasty ever and it was all built upon the Patriot Way 

 

AKA culture

[Governor]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The Patriots have the greatest NFL dynasty ever and it was all built upon the Patriot Way 

 

AKA culture

Are you sure it wasn’t about Tom Brady? Was the culture transferred to Tampa? What happened to Patriot Way when Tom Brady left?

[CoudyBills]

On 10/16/2025 at 1:50 PM, julian said:

Stevie Wonder could see Allen played poorly, it’s just not something I’m willing to on or even near the top of the list of what’s going to hold this team back from a championship.

 

 It’s fair to point out and discuss.

Allen playing poorly isn't on your list of reasons this team won't win a championship?  I certainly have roster concerns very highly rated, but if Josh plays poorly they are DOA.  If he plays out of his mind they have a chance, even with the crap roster.  His margin of error has got to be the thinnest of all quarterbacks in the league.  He has to be the MVP for this team to have any shot.

[julian]

1 hour ago, CoudyBills said:

Allen playing poorly isn't on your list of reasons this team won't win a championship?  I certainly have roster concerns very highly rated, but if Josh plays poorly they are DOA.  If he plays out of his mind they have a chance, even with the crap roster.  His margin of error has got to be the thinnest of all quarterbacks in the league.  He has to be the MVP for this team to have any shot.

That’s correct… if you can’t put a roster together good enough to win a title with this dude you’re never winning one.

 

 The team’s construction and coaching are so far beyond any concern with the QB play… Allen has been playing at an MVP level for 5 years and they can’t even reach a SB lol.

[Casey D]

8 hours ago, julian said:

That’s correct… if you can’t put a roster together good enough to win a title with this dude you’re never winning one.

 

 The team’s construction and coaching are so far beyond any concern with the QB play… Allen has been playing at an MVP level for 5 years and they can’t even reach a SB lol.

Neither can the Ravens, who folks say has an awesome front office.  In fact, KC has essentially blocked everyone.   

[RoscoeParrish]

25 minutes ago, Casey D said:

Neither can the Ravens, who folks say has an awesome front office.  In fact, KC has essentially blocked everyone.   

The Ravens have played KC once in the postseason since 2019.

[PromoTheRobot]

Josh is in so many commercials these days. Are some made during the season? Is he somehow being distracted by them? Is fame getting to our boy Josh, making him lose that singular focus and hunger that got him where he is?

[Avisan]

11 hours ago, Governor said:

Are you sure it wasn’t about Tom Brady? Was the culture transferred to Tampa? What happened to Patriot Way when Tom Brady left?

Yes, actually.  Tom Brady functionally enforced a lot of Patriot Way culture elements and brought in several of "his" guys to help with that.  The Buccs initially were up and down until Arians allowed Brady more influence over the offensive scheme and personnel.  Talent alone is only half of the battle.

27 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

The Ravens have played KC once in the postseason since 2019.

Yeah, the Bills have knocked them out twice, and the Bengals once.  The AFC playoff picture has been an absolute gauntlet recently.

Edited 4 hours ago by Avisan

[Andrew Son]

17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Josh is in so many commercials these days. Are some made during the season? Is he somehow being distracted by them? Is fame getting to our boy Josh, making him lose that singular focus and hunger that got him where he is?

There was a recent interview that I saw where the question was something like “What is one thing you’ve learned from Hailee.”  His answer was “that I’m more than a football player.”  
 

Josh was never a tape grinder in the first place.  But this new elevated fame from a high profile relationship and MVP might diluted that focus, as you say.

 

[muppy]

I hope the Bills return to winning ASAP so that the pressure of 2 ugly losses is off their back.

 

I hope that this bye week was in fact perfect timing so as to return to health. 

 

And that the game plans going forward are better planned AND executed.

 

Im glad real Talk is happening.

 

GO BILLS

 

Im still fed UP with penalties. I want LESS. Por Favor!

 

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