oldmanfan Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 minute ago, Livinginthepast said: And good coaches make adjustments in the game. Brady froze in the headlights. So now we switch to Brady. OK. Brady needs to scheme better to get Coleman open and leave Cook in the game in the 4th quarter. 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Okay coach. This is simple logic. Any coach I have ever had, and for any team I’ve coached, you look at what you did poorly and take steps to fix it. You’re just looking for something to argue about. Quote
LabattBlue Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So now we switch to Brady. OK. Brady needs to scheme better to get Coleman open and leave Cook in the game in the 4th quarter. This is simple logic. Any coach I have ever had, and for any team I’ve coached, you look at what you did poorly and take steps to fix it. You’re just looking for something to argue about. Didn’t know you played and coached football. How silly of me to challenge your statement. I apologize. Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago On 10/14/2025 at 12:02 PM, nuklz2594 said: If we play poorly after bye week, things will get ugly quick. It seems that our offense and defense is overthinking everything. Let's put this into perspective...how many of our defense players start on any other team? Same with wrs and te position. Getting bigger lbs... 225lb lbs ain't working. Secondary is a mess. At this point turn the defense loose...bills blitz The way they come out playing after the BYE will show you where they are truly as a football team. Whether those 2 losses were a fluke or not. I am hoping McD can light a fire under this team and himself or you’re absolutely correct, it’s going to get vicious in the media. 1 1 Quote
st pete gogolak Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago This is the kind of over the top posts that make you take a contrary position even though you agree with the general proposition. Beane’s drafts have not been “historically bad.” They’ve generally been decent to very good. The problem is that being in the upper echelon of GM’s isn’t good enough when the single goal is to win a Super Bowl. He isn’t Veatch or Roseman. His mistakes are amplified because a better decision could have meant a Super Bowl appearance or win. Just think if Bills had picked AJ Brown or Metcalf instead of Cody Ford (we must have scouted them considering we selected their college teammate Dawson Knox in Round 4). Maybe next year we don’t feel a need to trade for a WR and Justin Jefferson or Tee Higgins lands in our laps. It hurts my brain thinking of Allen throwing to Brown and Jefferson. Basham instead of Humpries. Chiefs pick Smith late in same draft and solidify their OL. McDuffie and Elam. Worthy and Coleman. So the mistakes are magnified and the weaknesses (drafting WR and DL) are exposed. Finally, if you believe McDermott doesn’t have enormous input into the drafting process. I have a bridge I’d like to sell you. 1 Quote
LabattBlue Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 11 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Finally, if you believe McDermott doesn’t have enormous input into the drafting process. I have a bridge I’d like to sell you. This! 👍🏻 1 Quote
skibum Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Yes, Beane calls in the picks, but it's hard for me to believe he does so in a vacuum, or that he would consistently go against his management/coaching team's consensus to make questionable picks. I think he's smart enough to know that's not where you micromanage. But it is his management/coaching team, and if they are collectively so ineffective at picking impact players in the early rounds, then maybe it is time for him to go. It's too bad, because I think he's a top-notch GM who has made a lot of bold and beneficial moves over the years. He just doesn't have the right team advising him on players and scouting. Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago On 10/14/2025 at 11:04 PM, Thurman#1 said: Fair that responsibility for talent acquisition goes to the GM. He indeed can't be held unresponsible for bad picks like Elam. He also can't make great picks like Benford and Deone Walker and many others without receiving credit. All on Beane. Beane's draft record is consistently ranked very high almost without exception. For good reason. Yup, the buck stops there on the draft. Doesn't mean he doesn't factor in McDermott's input a great deal. He absolutely does, particularly in terms of what kinds of players are wanted. But yeah, it stops on Beane. But again, his drafts have been quite good. Amazing since they consistently pick so late. Here's what you get when you google "best drafting GMs rankings NFL": #8 https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/news/rotopats-2025-nfl-gm-rankings-analysis-for-all-32-teams #5 https://nflspinzone.com/nfl-power-rankings-ranking-the-best-gms-in-the-league-for-the-2025-season-01jyd16br9kj/2 #9 https://nfltraderumors.co/2024-nfl-gm-power-rankings/ #5 https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1157-nfl-daily-with-gregg-rose-29915968/episode/ranking-almost-every-nfl-general-manager-277425860/ #9 https://gameday-analysis.com/2025/07/11/every-nfl-gm-in-2025-ranked-from-worst-to-first/ #4 https://www.vikefans.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=13121 #8 https://youtu.be/X9ouCU9Fr6U #6 https://nfltraderumors.co/2025-nfl-general-manager-power-rankings/ #4 https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6655181/2025/09/24/nfl-front-office-rankings-vote/ #7 https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-gm-rankings-2024-howie-roseman-brett-veach-eric-decosta-at-the-top/ And it goes on and on and on and on ... just like that. While I appreciate the effort you put in compiling these links, none of them strike me as a media outlet that puts serious effort into their analysis. None of them follow the Bills with the detail needed to assess drafts, IMO they’re more like “The Bills have been good, therefore their drafts are all good. Quote
stuvian Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago I have to believe that Beane and McDermott feel the urgency of the situation more keenly than any of us. One thing I credit with this leadership group is the ability to look within when change needs to happen. We successfully pivoted to a run first offense last year when our receiving Corps fell off. When the Bengals tight ends beat Leslie Fraziers defense in the playoffs we made changes. I think we need to overhaul our scouting department. It's one identifiable area that is not performing. Not one defensive playmaker in this era! I still think we are closer to the top than the bottom with the current regime. If neither Terry nor Josh think change is in order then don't expect it. Another conference title round exit won't cut it. Especially in a year when the Chiefs, Bengals and Ravens are in retreat. 1 Quote
Livinginthepast Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: So now we switch to Brady. OK. Brady needs to scheme better to get Coleman open and leave Cook in the game in the 4th quarter. This is simple logic. Any coach I have ever had, and for any team I’ve coached, you look at what you did poorly and take steps to fix it. You’re just looking for something to argue about. Are you saying that its impossible for an NFL OC (with all the help/spotters he has) to make adjustments IN GAME? against a team that blitzes on almost every down? That's literally part of the job description. And if Brady is too blind to see it (which is impossible), McD should have been all over him to do so at halftime at least. 1 Quote
Rousseauisnoschmo Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 23 minutes ago, stuvian said: I have to believe that Beane and McDermott feel the urgency of the situation more keenly than any of us. One thing I credit with this leadership group is the ability to look within when change needs to happen. We successfully pivoted to a run first offense last year when our receiving Corps fell off. When the Bengals tight ends beat Leslie Fraziers defense in the playoffs we made changes. I think we need to overhaul our scouting department. It's one identifiable area that is not performing. Not one defensive playmaker in this era! I still think we are closer to the top than the bottom with the current regime. If neither Terry nor Josh think change is in order then don't expect it. Another conference title round exit won't cut it. Especially in a year when the Chiefs, Bengals and Ravens are in retreat. Chiefs aren't in retreat and if we face them in the playoffs and their receiving core is healthy they will tear our secondary to shreds. 2 Quote
oldmanfan Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 48 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Are you saying that its impossible for an NFL OC (with all the help/spotters he has) to make adjustments IN GAME? against a team that blitzes on almost every down? That's literally part of the job description. And if Brady is too blind to see it (which is impossible), McD should have been all over him to do so at halftime at least. I am not saying anything of the kind. What is wrong with all of you? He should have made different calls last week and didn’t. A bye week allows the coaching staff to look critically at what they have done over the season thus far and make appropriate adjustments for the rest of the season, be it personnel groupings, seeing what plays have consistently worked and vice versa. For example, I would be stunned if we see the jet sweep thing on short yardage situations again. Quote
Pete Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Beane tried to trade for crazy Antonio Brown. He traded for diva Diggs, even though he had issues in Minnesota. Then he drafts Keon. Thr WR room is 4 slots and 1 WR who can play outside. Beane knows little about WRs IMO, Chiefs have Mahomes, yet they keep adding Wide Receivers. Bills have Josh- and Beane has done jack ***** to help him out 2 Quote
Toledo Bill Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Pete said: Beane tried to trade for crazy Antonio Brown. He traded for diva Diggs, even though he had issues in Minnesota. Then he drafts Keon. Thr WR room is 4 slots and 1 WR who can play outside. Beane knows little about WRs IMO, Chiefs have Mahomes, yet they keep adding Wide Receivers. Bills have Josh- and Beane has done jack ***** to help him out And then watch Adam's catch 3 TD's for the Rams today... an example of who Beane could have gone after but in his arrogance we don't address the WR issue. 1 Quote
DuckyBoys Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Beane sucks He drafted like 10 d linemen and none of them are special Bills draft Elam a handsy man corner for a zone defense Draft Epenesa and redshirt him to lose weight and play a diff position Draft Cody Ford a Guard to turn into a terrible tackle Draft Keon a wr who every scout says cant separate in college. Resign his mediocre picks to contracts we can trade from Lets not even get to the FA where were the masters of quantity over quality Oh and we traded Wyatt Teller for a bag of footballs Him and McDermott fired like 6 years ago if not for Allen breaking out in 2020 Quote
KOKBILLS Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 3 hours ago, Pete said: Beane tried to trade for crazy Antonio Brown. He traded for diva Diggs, even though he had issues in Minnesota. Then he drafts Keon. Thr WR room is 4 slots and 1 WR who can play outside. Beane knows little about WRs IMO, Chiefs have Mahomes, yet they keep adding Wide Receivers. Bills have Josh- and Beane has done jack ***** to help him out Agreed... 2018 - 6th Rd - Ray-Ray McCloud, 7th Rd - Austin Proehl 2019 - Nothing 2020 - 4th Rd - Gabe Davis, 6th Isaiah Hodgins 2021 - 6th Rd - Marquez Stevenson 2022 - 5th Rd - Khalil Shakir 2023 - 5th Rd - Justin Shorter 2024 - 2nd Rd - Keon Coleman 2025 - 7th Rd - Kaden Prather 8 Drafts in Josh Allen's career... 9 WR's Drafted... He did trade the one 1st Rd pick for Diggs, but we only get 4 years out of that... Sure...It's 4 good years, but Minnesota's going to get a LOT more from Jefferson... One 2nd Rd pick in Coleman... No 3rd Rd picks... One 4th, two 5th's including Shakir, three 6th's, and two 7th's... You're welcome Josh... 1 Quote
Pete Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 minute ago, KOKBILLS said: Agreed... 2018 - 6th Rd - Ray-Ray McCloud, 7th Rd - Austin Proehl 2019 - Nothing 2020 - 4th Rd - Gabe Davis, 6th Isaiah Hodgins 2021 - 6th Rd - Marquez Stevenson 2022 - 5th Rd - Khalil Shakir 2023 - 5th Rd - Justin Shorter 2024 - 2nd Rd - Keon Coleman 2025 - 7th Rd - Kaden Prather 8 Drafts in Josh Allen's career... 9 WR's Drafted... He did trade the one 1st Rd pick for Diggs, but we only get 4 years out of that... Sure...It's 4 good years, but Minnesota's going to get a LOT more from Jefferson... One 2nd Rd pick in Coleman... No 3rd Rd picks... One 4th, two 5th's including Shakir, three 6th's, and two 7th's... You're welcome Josh... That’s an embarrassment Beane. You shouldn’t talk ***** to Jeremy , we can ask tough questions too. Don’t forget Kelvin Benjamin. Robert Foster. MVS. Always penny pinching with retreads and JAGs. It’s shameful. 2024 Bills offense was brokeafter Jacksonville and Jets. Beane caved, and traded a precious draft pick for Amari. That worked. Just adding Amari, Bills offense improved by every metric. 2025 No Amari and no Mack. Bills offense is sputtering. Just like they sputtered at end of playoff games. Bills offense is very simple, vanilla with some ill conceived trick plays. Very little separation. Same ***** as last year. How did you fix that last year? If you drafted a good WR the past 5 years- we wouldn’t be having these problems. If Beane is serious about winning the Superbowl- he needs to move quickly. Wow Bills Mafia with a win now move! 1 Quote
billsfan714 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 21 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: Agreed... 2018 - 6th Rd - Ray-Ray McCloud, 7th Rd - Austin Proehl 2019 - Nothing 2020 - 4th Rd - Gabe Davis, 6th Isaiah Hodgins 2021 - 6th Rd - Marquez Stevenson 2022 - 5th Rd - Khalil Shakir 2023 - 5th Rd - Justin Shorter 2024 - 2nd Rd - Keon Coleman 2025 - 7th Rd - Kaden Prather 8 Drafts in Josh Allen's career... 9 WR's Drafted... He did trade the one 1st Rd pick for Diggs, but we only get 4 years out of that... Sure...It's 4 good years, but Minnesota's going to get a LOT more from Jefferson... One 2nd Rd pick in Coleman... No 3rd Rd picks... One 4th, two 5th's including Shakir, three 6th's, and two 7th's... You're welcome Josh... Thats the one that really gets me. The Diggs trade. Almost universally praised on here, but if he just stayed put he gets a top 2 of his generation WR on his rookie deal without the Diggs drama. Poyer, Hyde and Milano were signed/drafted before Beane got here. The defense is regressing along with the WRs. I could be in the minority but I would rather have the 3rd rounder than part of a season of Cooper last year. I would rather have the 4ths than move up 2 slots in the in the first for Elam and Kincaid. I would rather have the 2 seconds this year than TJ Sanders. Taylor Rapp is a liablity in anyones defense. Tre was done last year. Jamarcus Ingram shouldnt be your six CB. 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 24 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: Thats the one that really gets me. The Diggs trade. Almost universally praised on here, but if he just stayed put he gets a top 2 of his generation WR on his rookie deal without the Diggs drama. Poyer, Hyde and Milano were signed/drafted before Beane got here. The defense is regressing along with the WRs. I could be in the minority but I would rather have the 3rd rounder than part of a season of Cooper last year. I would rather have the 4ths than move up 2 slots in the in the first for Elam and Kincaid. I would rather have the 2 seconds this year than TJ Sanders. Taylor Rapp is a liablity in anyones defense. Tre was done last year. Jamarcus Ingram shouldnt be your six CB. It shouldn’t get you. The Diggs trade is easily the second best personnel decision Beane ever made. the biggest problem is he may not feel that way based on his other decisions. And he’s wrong to feel that way. 1 Quote
CirclnWagons Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago I’m just wondering as a lifelong bills fan if I need to get ready to move back down to the basement of the afc east. The pats seem to be dominating absolutely everything right now while the bills continue to implode. Allen’s generational talent covered the warts of this organization for years but you can only absolutely blow so many draft picks before even someone with Josh’s talent level can no longer carry you. There’s not a whole lot to work with but the decisions made before the trade deadline will truly indicate the front offices feelings on this season and the next few seasons to come. I’m pulling hard for McClapper and the Beane but don’t have a lot of faith Quote
KOKBILLS Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, billsfan714 said: Thats the one that really gets me. The Diggs trade. Almost universally praised on here, but if he just stayed put he gets a top 2 of his generation WR on his rookie deal without the Diggs drama. Poyer, Hyde and Milano were signed/drafted before Beane got here. The defense is regressing along with the WRs. I could be in the minority but I would rather have the 3rd rounder than part of a season of Cooper last year. I would rather have the 4ths than move up 2 slots in the in the first for Elam and Kincaid. I would rather have the 2 seconds this year than TJ Sanders. Taylor Rapp is a liablity in anyones defense. Tre was done last year. Jamarcus Ingram shouldnt be your six CB. I 100% agree... But I'd rather have them if I'm picking... Quote
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