Michael Palmer article in SU Paper this morning

[Ray Stonada]

Michael Palmer?

[I Am The Liquor]

36 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Who's Michael Palmer?

He gets so much separation that he isn't visible on the TV screen, or even the roster! 

[Nihilarian]

Buffalo had some uncharacteristic bad luck against the Patriots, the turnovers, the ref calls, and speaking of the latter, has lead ref Shawn Hochuli ever worked a game in which the Buffalo Bills won? 

 

A truly egregious miss by that crew of Shawn Hoculi’s. After spending an entire game calling close to two dozen flags, none thrown on a third-down incomplete pass to Khalil Shakir, where cornerback Christian Gonzales sure appeared to make early contact. No replay was shown before going to commercial, and nothing was mentioned about the play the rest of the game.

 

This wasn't the sole reason Buffalo lost that game, as it was a sloppy mess, and the Buffalo defense allowed Diggs 12 targets, 10 receptions for 146 yards. The Bills had no answer for Diggs, mostly because their defense is so injury-riddled and not playing up to what they are normally capable of doing. Yes, Tre White looked bad, but so did the rest, except for Cole Bisho, who is looking better. Rapp, Benford, and Teron Johnson were not so good. 

 

Buffalo did manage a decent pass rush with four sacks, along with 8 QB hits. Still, they got away from what they do best in only running Cook 15 times and only throwing 6 times to Kincade, who had 108 yards receiving for those measly receptions. Plus, those Buffalo turnovers really gave NE an edge, and JA didn't play with his usual tenacity.  

 

 

[VW82]

Ave separation per nextgenstats (overall league rank):

 

Shakir - 4.1 yards (7th)

Kincaid - 3.4 yards (32nd)

Keon - 2.9 yards (63rd)

Palmer - 2.2 (100th)

 

 

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

People pumping up Palmer all offseason as some big acquisition was just typical Message Board behavior. Palmer is redundantly the same type of FA WR Beane brings in every year. I’m not sure what people honestly expected. He’s a capable NFL player, but at the end of the day, he’s not moving the needle as a consistent playmaker or somebody that needs to be game planned against by opposing DC’s. I mean it’s not like the Bills were getting a WR like Jakobi Meyers who’s been putting up numbers despite poor QB play throughout his career, Palmer has had the benefit of one of the better passers in the league before Allen, so yeah, expectations that he was going to be a difference maker were just ill conceived from the get go.

 

On the flip side, if he’s getting separation, but not getting the ball, it’s likely bc he’s one of the last reads on most plays. Josh is looking to Shakir, Kincaid, Keon, THEN Palmer, so that’s not going to add up to any significant volume in most games, especially when the team is generally playing with a lead, or not far behind, and remains committed to the run... Only so much ball to go around when “everybody eats”.

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[starrymessenger]

6 hours ago, ganesh said:

We don't need Palmer running down the line 40-50 yards from scrimmage...We can target him in the 10-20 yard region and likely to see better success.  Currently. those targets are going to Kincaid and Coleman

True. Bills receivers average depth per reception since Josh has been under center is not far off that of the game’s best receivers.

Probably the difference in quality/production is attributable to scheme, targets and YAC (except for Shakir). But although you dont need to run go routes and post patterns all day you do need to be able to credibly run deep routes successfully on occasion IMO so that the risk has to be accounted for by the opposing secondary. Maybe thats a large part of what a Chase, Lamb, Tyreek, Jefferson etc… actually do for you.

Bills passing attack basically takes what the opposition appears to give you. But what seems to be intentionally given can sometimes more easily be taken away (see NE Patriots) so sometimes you need to be able to take what they dont want to give you. Bills dont seem to do much of that.

I dont buy the argument that the problem is Josh’s long ball inaccuracy. He’s thrown many long balls laterally as deep outs and he has shown that he can do so with the necessary arc and touch- witness his game breaking toss to Palmer to beat the Ravens. He just needs to do more of that between the numbers.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

49 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

People pumping up Palmer all offseason as some big acquisition was just typical Message Board behavior. Palmer is redundantly the same type of FA WR Beane brings in every year. I’m not sure what people honestly expected. He’s a capable NFL player, but at the end of the day, he’s not moving the needle as a consistent playmaker or somebody that needs to be game planned against by opposing DC’s.

Palmer is this years Trent Sherfield 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Palmer is this years Trent Sherfield 

Palmer averages like 600 yards per year 

 

Sherfield doesn't even have a 600 yard season in 8 years lol

 

That's honestly bunk comparison

[LEBills]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Palmer averages like 600 yards per year 

 

Sherfield doesn't even have a 600 yard season in 8 years lol

 

That's honestly bunk comparison

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