Beans and Sean - Should we miss the SB again

[LabattBlue]

All the people kicking Beane to the curb have no idea(IMO) how much say McD has in terms of the draft & free agency.  
 

Fire Beane + retain McD = not much changes

[KentuckyBillsFan]

1) Babich is clearly not the answer. The defense has regressed badly since he arrived. Is that all his fault? No. 

2) Beane and McDermott were the right guys in 2017. They aren't anymore.. if Pegula has a serious desire to win a super bowl.. which I'm not sure about.

3) It is a very weird feeling that by every measure this is a very good era of Bills football but it's also been disappointing because of how crushing of a note the season always seems to end on. There isn't a fan base in sports that wants a championship more than the Bills.

Edited 1 hour ago by KentuckyBillsFan

[Mark92]

What I want to happen and what will happen are 2 different things.  I want Sean to either get a new defensive coordinator and a new scheme or hit the road.  I like beane and would want him to stay.  What will happen...... Same ***** new season.  

[DuckyBoys]

50 minutes ago, RkFast said:

Im much more "over" Beane than McD. To me, Beane seems to be living way too much off the "but we have Josh Allen" mindset when it comes to team composition. We dont need an A receiver...we have Josh Allen. We dont need a better defense to close out the Chiefs...we have Josh Allen.

 

When it comes to him, personally he seems to have this "But I drafted Josh Allen" defense to all his critiques. IMHO, both are a terrible approach. 

Yeah its just hard to say how much of a yes man to McDermott he might be  It seems Sean has his finger on everything down to what brand toilet paper is in the stalls

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

if his first hire w the Bills had Allen at QB we'd have won one by now

 

Not a flaming chance. 

[JMM]

I always wonder about this, it was McDermott that brought in Beane not the other way around. So would Beane even ever attempt to fire McDermott? Does he even HAVE that power? It's a weird situation.  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not a flaming chance. 

Two afccgs w Mark Sanchez says easily otherwise

 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Two afccgs w Mark Sanchez says easily otherwise

 

 

Followed by 4 years averaging less than 7 wins each.

THAT is why he was let go.  He failed.

[GoBills808]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

Followed by 4 years averaging less than 7 wins each.

THAT is why he was let go.  He failed.

yes, very easy to fail w Mark Sanchez

 

much more difficult to fail w Allen but somehow we're doing it

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

9 minutes ago, JMM said:

I always wonder about this, it was McDermott that brought in Beane not the other way around. So would Beane even ever attempt to fire McDermott? Does he even HAVE that power? It's a weird situation.  

They both report directly to Pegula. One can't fire the other. They could instigate some sh*t but uncertain how that would play out. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

McD has 90 Wins, chasing down Marv. Ninety is a lot of Ws in 8+ years. Of course, the Chicken & Egg question is how many would he have WITHOUT 17? Or more appropriately, who is most responsible for the 90?

 

He is also #51 in All Time Win Records. Here comes one of those weird Stat flips things. By winning percentage, McD rises to #16 All Time, ahead of yes… #19 Andy Reid and #21 Billy B!

 

Does anyone, for even a nanosecond second, believe McDermott is a better HC than the guy who steals his lunch every year and made him look like a buffoon in 13 seconds?

 

Would anyone EVER think he belongs in the same time zone, some would say, planet, as Billy Boy- who thought up every coaching trick on the planet outside of the Tush Push?

 

Of course not. That was a conjuring trick. McD is a decent person, with admirable traits. But, I simply don’t believe he can get the job done, especially if he has to make a quick 50/50 decision on timing, personnel, challenge or TOs! 
 

I just don’t.

 

As for Beane, investing ALL your eggs in one basket, without one star yet, including choosing TWO guys with PEDs, is piss poor. Yeah, he could have chosen a dead draft pick guy I suppose 🙄, but now we’re stuck with plugging several holes with fill ins and #17 doesn’t have a WR in the Top 25, let alone ONE who can get separation! 
 

One of the greatest talented players in NFL history is being wasted here by Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumb Dumb.

 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

As much as I love Sean and Beane, I strongly believe that if we miss reaching the SB again we HAVE to move on. Things seem stagnant and nothing has changed when compared to last year. 
 

I think Beane has done a disservice to Allen by not providing better targets especially when he could have instead of drafting crappy players (Landon Jackson, Bishop, Greg Rousseau, Basham, and that one CB that was traded to Dallas). Something has got to change. What do you guys think?

Moving on will never happen…Pegula is a weak owner, who has been burned far too often by the Sabres…

 

Especially with a new stadium on the horizon, we are stuck with McBeane for the foreseeable future.

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Ehh. Where's the stats?

 

Clearly, when someone says, "One always thinks the grass is greener on the other side, but most of the time it’s brown" they're making an observation based on experience.  It's not measurable.  There are no stats. 

 

But it is an opinion that many would agree with, and something to consider before moving on from Beane and McD.

 

The future is unknowable, but my best guess is that if Pegs moved on from Beane and McD he'd probably replace them with guys who would turn out to be not as good.

 

I'd rather (1) have Beane hire some new/better scouts so he can build a better roster, and (2) McD hire a passing game coordinator to help Brady scheme & call a better downfield passing game.  

When you have a team that sucks, you blow it up.  When you have a good team, you keep fine-tuning it until it's the best.  

[uticaclub]

52 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

never going to happen

And we are never going to win the AFC

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Two afccgs w Mark Sanchez says easily otherwise

 

 

The NFL had passed Rex by not long after that. And, frankly, he had mailed it in effort wise too. There is a reason he hasn't worked in the league again post Buffalo.

 

If you were getting 2010 Rex Ryan, sure it's possible. But his failings as a Head Coach became more apparent the longer he did the job. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

The NFL had passed Rex by not long after that. And, frankly, he had mailed it in effort wise too. There is a reason he hasn't worked in the league again post Buffalo.

 

If you were getting 2010 Rex Ryan, sure it's possible. But his failings as a Head Coach became more apparent the longer he did the job. 

so a checked out rex ryan had the bills at .500 which is the exact same as McDermott before Allen

 

not really selling your guy

[Goin Breakdown]

6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Clearly, when someone says, "One always thinks the grass is greener on the other side, but most of the time it’s brown" they're making an observation based on experience.  It's not measurable.  There are no stats. 

 

But it is an opinion that many would agree with, and something to consider before moving on from Beane and McD.

 

The future is unknowable, but my best guess is that if Pegs moved on from Beane and McD he'd probably replace them with guys who would turn out to be not as good.

 

I'd rather (1) have Beane hire some new/better scouts so he can build a better roster, and (2) McD hire a passing game coordinator to help Brady scheme & call a better downfield passing game.  

When you have a team that sucks, you blow it up.  When you have a good team, you keep fine-tuning it until it's the best.  

Even though i do appreciate all you said........ I was messing around. 

[AZSanta]

2 hours ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

As much as I love Sean and Beane, I strongly believe that if we miss reaching the SB again we HAVE to move on. Things seem stagnant and nothing has changed when compared to last year. 
 

I think Beane has done a disservice to Allen by not providing better targets especially when he could have instead of drafting crappy players (Landon Jackson, Bishop, Greg Rousseau, Basham, and that one CB that was traded to Dallas). Something has got to change. What do you guys think?

I agree with you 100% but i really don't think any changes happen unless Allen himself starts complaining and the chances of that are slim. Unfortunately Allen will have to win it all in spite of the Coach and GM. It would be a tragedy since I will never see another QB of Josh's caliber in my lifetime. 

Edited 44 minutes ago by AZSanta

[SoCal Deek]

25 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

yes, very easy to fail w Mark Sanchez

 

much more difficult to fail w Allen but somehow we're doing it

Do not be talking trash about Mark Sanchez! We all know how that turns out. Just saying

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

so a checked out rex ryan had the bills at .500 which is the exact same as McDermott before Allen

 

not really selling your guy

 

Firstly that isn't quite right.....

 

Rex was a game below .500 as Bills coach and McDermott was a game over .500 before Josh. But the fact is the 2015 roster should have been more than a .500 roster and they scrambled to .500 having been 6-8. That was an underachievement. 

 

I know you hate McDermott but arguing Rex would have won a Superbowl is patently ludicrous.