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10 minutes ago, bouds said:

Kincaid was on fire all night and only got 6 targets, played only 60% of the snaps.

 

I'm honestly tired of the rotating wheel at WR, pick your 3 best and roll them out.  I don't need Shavers getting snaps when he's just run blocking.  Ride your best players, felt that they made too big of a deal with Cook getting too much of the workload and he barely touched the ball early in last night's game.  Ride your best players.


they did talk about us being 70% skews in shotgun and under center. 
 

it makes me curious how far we may be pushing other tells via personnel packages, etc…. 

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9 minutes ago, DapperCam said:


At halftime Allen had 9+ YPA, a 90% completion percentage and was the team’s leading rusher with 7 YPC.

 

Allen actually played pretty well other than the interception 

 

Ding, ding, ding.

 

Finally someone with some common sense. Allen played very well. he had a couple poor throws. Any quarterback in the NFL has a bad throw now and then.

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5 minutes ago, yall said:

He missed some reads, threw a pick, fumbled, and at times bailed on the pocket too early. I think that can qualify as a poor game by his standards.

 

 


We’ll never know for sure, but I’d bet the fumble was on Knox. If it’s a poor game by his standards it’s only because his standards are so high.

 

We should be able to win a game where the QB has an average performance (can’t remember the last time we did though).

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Just now, Einstein said:

 

The number of idiotic posters coming out of the woodwork is mind boggling.

 

Samuel only appears open because Allen is scrambling to his right (where he is very dangerous), and that shifts the defense to the side the QB is scrambling to.

 

Why? Because defenses know that QB’s don’t throw 60 yards across their body. So they let those WR’s run free.

 

What we have now is a bunch of fat old men in their mother’s basement criticizing everything the greatest QB in Bills history does…. only because we lost. Had we won, the minutea they are nitpicking would never come up.

 

He had a bad game they say? What!? He was 71% passing, had over 300 yards, and 2 TD’s. And he would have had more if Coleman knew how to catch a back shoulder fade, or didn’t fumble the ball in the open field, or if Brady didn’t want to hand the ball off to Dawson freaking Knox.

 

None of these people deserve Allen.

You are calling me an idiotic poster?  

 

I am not blaming Allen, just pointing out he had a throw to samuel if he stays in the pocket or even stops and sets his feet after taking those first two to three steps to his right.  After he is outside of the right hash no one thinks or has said he is going to throw the ball to samuel, throwing to samuel is about staying in the pocket and throwing in rhythm to an open wr.

 

Second, I am not in my moms basement.  However, my moms basement is really really nice.  My dad is a carpenter and our basement was her office for work, fully finished with all the perks including a bathroom.  I would like to be in my moms basement because that would mean i am in ny and with my family.  Unfortunately I am in North Texas at my desk working.  

 

I am I guess old though.

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1 minute ago, DapperCam said:


We’ll never know for sure, but I’d bet the fumble was on Knox. If it’s a poor game by his standards it’s only because his standards are so high.

 

We should be able to win a game where the QB has an average performance (can’t remember the last time we did though).

It's possible for sure. Hard to say exactly what went wrong (maybe aside from the play call itself being a bad idea).

Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:


they did talk about us being 70% skews in shotgun and under center. 
 

it makes me curious how far we may be pushing other tells via personnel packages, etc…. 

 

They mentioned it on the broadcast a few times, but this is an issue going back to Ken Dorsey, and it's probably gotten worse since because we run way more.  At least with Daboll you knew they were going to be in the gun a vast majority of the time.  Wish we had numbers on this stuff.

 

It's amazing that we consistently ranked top 5 in playaction passes when Daboll was here and the run game was mediocre to bad.  We are a top 5 run team now and last year ranked near the bottom in playaction passes.  This is not complimentary football.

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1 minute ago, DapperCam said:


We’ll never know for sure, but I’d bet the fumble was on Knox. If it’s a poor game by his standards it’s only because his standards are so high.

 

We should be able to win a game where the QB has an average performance (can’t remember the last time we did though).

I am looking forward to the explanation on that play.  Was it a handoff to knox on a jet sweep trying to be a surrpise ish play....was it a fake to knox with a pitch to cook?  was it a fake to cook and a play action pass (Probably intended for knox in the flat) and knox just knocked the ball out of his hand because the timing was off?

 

it will be nice to hear what that play actually was but they won't tell us.

Posted
4 minutes ago, MJS said:

He turned the ball over twice. Both were his fault completely. He was bailing from clean pockets. He was missing open receivers. He decides to scramble too much and was tackled after a short gain or sacked because of it. This was a bad game by Allen.


If you are calling the Knox fumble Allen’s fault completely, then you are just salty about the loss. It was a failed handoff where Knox didn’t know he was getting the ball. It is impossible for us to know, as fans, what the play call was.

 

Considering Knox is a lumbering oaf, and I can’t remember any other failed exchanges in the recent past, my money is on Knox being the screwup there.

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2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

He had a bad game they say? What!? He was 71% passing, had over 300 yards, and 2 TD’s. And he would have had more if Coleman knew how to catch a back shoulder fade, or didn’t fumble the ball in the open field, or if Brady didn’t want to hand the ball off to Dawson freaking Knox.

 

I've said before that my least favorite aspect of the McBeane regime is they are ruining Josh's legacy. You can see it in this thread, people saying he had a bad game or comparing the performance to the Houston game last year. When in fact he actually played really well outside of one terrible mistake. The run game wasn't there, his skill players had two costly fumbles, his pass catchers weren't separating, and the offense kept going backwards because of dumb penalties. This was not an A+ game from Allen but a bad game?Bills fans have lost sight of what normal QB play actually looks like for the rest of the NFL. It's sobering that an A- game leads to us losing to a middle class opponent at home.

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16 minutes ago, MJS said:

He turned the ball over twice. Both were his fault completely. He was bailing from clean pockets. He was missing open receivers. He decides to scramble too much and was tackled after a short gain or sacked because of it. This was a bad game by Allen.

 

How the BLEEP is the Knox fumble Allen’s fault? Allen hands the ball off 350 times per year and doesn’t fumble and you think it was Allen? Not the TE who never receives handoffs? Really!? Do any of you think before posting?

 

How much harder do you want Josh to slam this ball in Knox’s chest!?????

 

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My guess is you think that Allen kept the ball for the handoff to Cook. And that might be the case! However, it would STILL Knox’s fault for not operating the false handoff properly. Again, Allen does this 300+ times per year flawlessly.

 

It was a horrendous play call.

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This is not Madden.  This is also not 2021-23 Josh.  Yes, Allen is one of 2 guys on the planet who could get the ball there.  It is also being eyed by both the safety and backside corner.  Imo if he rips it, which would take a gather to generate the force to get it there, would be a contested catch in double coverage.   Younger Josh makes that choice to win it or possibly lose it.  Shakir had a few steps but Gonzalez made a great play.  It was the right decision.  Get points see if the d can get a stop.  

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4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

How the BLEEP is the Knox fumble Allen’s fault? Allen hands the ball off 350 times per year and doesn’t fumble and you think it was Allen? Not the TE who never receives handoffs? Really!? Do any of you think before posting?

 

How much harder do you want Josh to slam this ball in Knox’s chest!?????

 

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That's a good pic. They didn't give us a good replay on that one.

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12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The number of idiotic posters coming out of the woodwork is mind boggling.

 

Samuel only appears open because Allen is scrambling to his right (where he is very dangerous), and that shifts the defense to the side the QB is scrambling to.

 

Why? Because defenses know that QB’s don’t throw 60 yards across their body. So they let those WR’s run free.

 

What we have now is a bunch of fat old men in their mother’s basement criticizing everything the greatest QB in Bills history does…. only because we lost. Had we won, the minutea they are nitpicking would never come up.

 

He had a bad game they say? What!? He was 71% passing, had over 300 yards, and 2 TD’s. And he would have had more if Coleman knew how to catch a back shoulder fade, or didn’t fumble the ball in the open field, or if Brady didn’t want to hand the ball off to Dawson freaking Knox.

 

None of these people deserve Allen.

I don't think people are letting the other players and coaches off the hook. But you can't absolve Allen of every mistake just because he is the best player in the league and the best player in franchise history.  The INT was terrible. The read option was terrible. The fumble may or may not have been on him.  

Interesting Allen and Diggs were yet again the best players on the field.  

Posted
53 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Allen was off all night. But I give him the benefit of the doubt. No QB is going to be great every single game. Sometimes it's going to be a struggle. I expect him to continue to play at an MVP level. 

 

The defense....different story. Sometimes you need a D to step up and help a struggling offense. If one guy needs to be perfect to win games, this team will never win a SB. 

The defense 

 

-Gave up 71 rushing yards on 22 carries.

-Held the Pats to 3 out of 9 (33%) on third downs

-Recorded 4 sacks

-Forced 4 punts and a turnover

 

They did their part last night. 

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Here is the knox fumble.  Gilliam and Kincaid on the line next to brown were blocking at the snap.  This looks like it was a straight handoff to knox and the timing was sort of off and knox just fumbled the ball somehow.

 

 

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Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

The defense 

 

-Gave up 71 rushing yards on 22 carries.

-Held the Pats to 3 out of 9 (33%) on third downs

-Recorded 4 sacks

-Forced 4 punts and a turnover

 

They did their part last night. 

In general I mean. 

 

They had good moments last night. Ultimately, the Patriots D was better.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The number of idiotic posters coming out of the woodwork is mind boggling.

 

Samuel only appears open because Allen is scrambling to his right (where he is very dangerous), and that shifts the defense to the side the QB is scrambling to.

 

Why? Because defenses know that QB’s don’t throw 60 yards across their body. So they let those WR’s run free.

 

What we have now is a bunch of fat old men in their mother’s basement criticizing everything the greatest QB in Bills history does…. only because we lost. Had we won, the minutea they are nitpicking would never come up.

 

He had a bad game they say? What!? He was 71% passing, had over 300 yards, and 2 TD’s. And he would have had more if Coleman knew how to catch a back shoulder fade, or didn’t fumble the ball in the open field, or if Brady didn’t want to hand the ball off to Dawson freaking Knox.

 

None of these people deserve Allen.

People who criticize Allen for having an off night are no different from people saying Allen can do no wrong.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.  Allen had some really nice throws last night and extended some plays and kept drives alive with his legs.  I don't think his recovers did him a lot of favors either.  However, he bailed from clean pockets several times, threw the bad red zone interception, and clearly made the wrong decision to keep the ball on the read option that surly looks like would have been a walk in TD for Johnson.  By Allen's standards, he had a sub par night and I think the film is going to support that as well.

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I don't think it's nearly as open as you do, both the CB and the Safety are watching Allens eyes and where he's looking. Gonzalez(CB) is already getting depth and as you move the frames forward the Safety, flips his hips as Samuel starts flattening his route. Allen would have to put air on the ball to get it over the LB, so he's not throwing a rocket. Which allows both the CB and Safety to cover that hole you are suggesting Allen can get the ball into. I've freezed the frame at Allens drop back, when he would have had to make a decision on throwing to Samuel.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

In general I mean. 

 

They had good moments last night. Ultimately, the Patriots D was better.

Well, yeah, anyone with eyes knew coming in New England had a better defense even before the game began.  

 

Last night our defense was largely fine. Our offense  being undisciplined and turnover happy was the issue.

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