For all you McDermott haters, who would you want?

[Big Blitz]

The question should no longer be about McD. 
 

It should be about Beane.  
 

 

The Patriots have a more talented defense than us despite only 1 player on it they drafted  within the top 15.  
 

And that is flat out unacceptable.  

[corta765]

No. Once they lost to KC in the AFC title this prior season my faith evaporated he can do it.

[entropyrules]

no-not the way this team is constructed. It's also half on Beane for poor drafting in the early rounds.

[BillsShredder83]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Again 

 

This is just going to show every single poster with a backbone versus every single one who's spineless 

 

And I'm being 1,000% serious 

 

First place in the NFL

I am not a fire McD guy, but his coordinator hires have not been enough. We've allocated a lot to the defense. No matter what we dump into the DL, we've seen no improvement! I don't know who that falls on... but anything short of a SB appearance and im at:

 

1A. Keep McD, hire a baller DC. Can't believe Fangio was floating around and we missed out, inexcusable.

 

1B. If that cant happen, then I'm finally ready for a change. Id so much rather #1 for the continuity and the high floor ceiling McD gives us. Its just glaringly obvious the defense and young d- Coordinator is not going to be enough.

 

There's too much talent and resources on that side, and what feels like absolutely piss poor player development on the DL. 

 

Big Ed took forever to ball out. Rousseau has plateaud below his true ceiling. Epenesa has been solid, but unspectacular. We've had a billion DTs underperform here, and constantly shuffled. Dwayne Carter looking unrosterable as a 3rd rd pick. That wake forest 2nd rder im forgetting.

 

Von Miller i chalk up to chit happens with that injury.

 

Not ragging on them about any one player on DL as much as I am the entirety of the performance of the groups. Here's more:

 

Mario Addison

Vernon Butler

Quinton Jefferson

Javon Solomon

 

Ill give all the rookies slack here, its 4 games in. Walker looks like a home run (but I worry about not being able to get him or other guys to their ceiling via development). Landon Jackson was always going to be a redshirt IMO, but again, i worry about his development here with our history at building these guys up.

 

Where is our Kromer from the defense?!

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsShredder83

[corta765]

7 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Dungy turned the Bucs from a joke into serious contenders. He was a very successful HC. Way better than McD imo.

 

Agreed. 99 NFC title he also was royally screwed on the Bert Emanuel "non catch" as they slowed the Greatest Show on Turf down to a crawl.  McD doesn't have a single post season loss I could look and say he got hosed as much as he hosed him own team.

[dorquemada]

6 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

What is different this time?

 

Nothing.  

[Gregg]

Here is another question. Let's say Terry does clean house (it won't happen) who would you want to replace Beane with. This roster is flawed. Great QB, and RB. Good OL. The WR's and TE's are mostly average and the defense needs upgrading in both the front 7 and secondary. The GM is responsible for putting the roster together so again who would you want to replace Beane with. 

[Marcus Aurelius]

A followup question

Who is more responsible for the failures in the playoffs and the lack of Superbowl appearances

Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott? 🤔 

A followup question

Who is more responsible for the failures in the playoffs and the lack of Superbowl appearances

Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott? 🤔 

A followup question

Who is more responsible for the failures in the playoffs and the lack of Superbowl appearances

Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott? 🤔 

[LABILLBACKER]

50 minutes ago, T.E. said:

I would also like to add that I really dislike the identity this team has, and that's all on the coach. We take what the defense gives us on offense; we react to what the offense does on defense...it's all really passive and designed with an objective of not losing rather than playing to win.

 

It's created this environment where the players are flat for most of the game and then borderline-panicky during big moments. They're soft, and that fact rears it's ugly head every time we play a physical team that is well-coached.

This is so true. Again we were waiting for that 4th quarter turnover to bail us out.  Unfortunately this time it never came. My vote for this thread is the same as its been since we lost to DeShaun Watson years ago....No!

 

Sean is an amazing and caring human being who's skill set is rebuilding an organization.  But he's never leading this team to a championship. Too many flaws and inconsistencies in his game.  At least historians will likely say that Josh Allen was the greatest qb in NFL history to never play in a SB.

[Marcus Aurelius]

A followup question

 

Who is more responsible for the failures in the playoffs and the lack of Superbowl appearances

 

Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott? 🤔 

[LABILLBACKER]

Just now, Marcus Aurelius said:

A followup question

Who is more responsible for the failures in the playoffs and the lack of Superbowl appearances

Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott? 🤔 

A followup question

Who is more responsible for the failures in the playoffs and the lack of Superbowl appearances

Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott? 🤔 

A followup question

Who is more responsible for the failures in the playoffs and the lack of Superbowl appearances

Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott? 🤔 

They're joined at the waist. They're a package deal. They're both equally culpable. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

It IS really important to have a great team culture, where players can rely on and assist each other. Kudos to McD for that!

 

HOWEVER…

 

It is far more important to have Blue Chip TALENT at as many positions, as possible.

 

Aside from the obvious #17 (ranked with the best in the game), the RB (perhaps in the Top 5), where are many others ranked in the Top 10 in the NFL?

 

FFS, the WRs, as an entire everybody eats posse, are not in the Top 25!
Similarily, the TEs could be generously marked in the Top 15-20.

 

But, several on the D might make good Beer vendors in the stands. They should not be on a football field for this team.

 

And when the going gets tough and their nuts are in a vice in the biggest moments, do you count on 13 Seconds McD to do the right thing? 
 

Have you counted on Beanie to get you players not named Josh Allen?
 

NO

AND NO.

[LarryMadman]

If the answer is NO then what are we doing continuing to go forward with him? I believe the answer is NO! Therefor change is needed!

Edited 3 hours ago by LarryMadman

[BillsShredder83]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

Here is another question. Let's say Terry does clean house (it won't happen) who would you want to replace Beane with. This roster is flawed. Great QB, and RB. Good OL. The WR's and TE's are mostly average and the defense needs upgrading in both the front 7 and secondary. The GM is responsible for putting the roster together so again who would you want to replace Beane with. 

Absolutely not in camp of moving on from Beane under any circumstances. McD is a defensive minded HC. You want Beane in sync with what that guy wants... a GM going rogue is a bad GM. We are a very good drafting team by every metric.

 

We havent hit as many HRs as id like but Spencer Brown, Cook, Bernard, Shakir have all been HRs relative to where they've been picked.

 

1st rd has been really solid-very good for the most part (in comparison to the best GMs).

 

2nd rd has been a weird boogieman a bunch.  

 

3rd and later has been excellent.

 

I dont want McD gone, I want a bonafide top tier DC here. And Sean to be hands off that side. Time for Terry to put up or shut up, "dig a well", and pay whatever to get a serious DC in house. 

 

It makes no sense to pay into a roster what we do, build new stadium, state of art facility, be this close, and then be scared to drop a bag on someone to help get us over the top. Especially without a salary cap for coaches.

[boco357]

Hoping Stafford retires and make a play for Sean McVay.

 

 

[Mikie2times]

20 minutes ago, Sweats said:

At the end of the day, the Bills franchise is a business, and business is doing better than ever........it all comes down to the bottom line, which is money, putting asses in the seats, selling merchandise, etc.

 

It's a formula that works and if a minority of the fans have a problem with the present coaching staff, then perhaps they would rather have the days back of Mularkey, Ryan, Jauron, etc.

We are a fanbase of a good (sometimes great) team. We have no control over the decisions that are made to field the team. We have no say in anything. We are simply spectators to a sport and team that we love and that's as far as it goes.

 

This FO brought us out of the depths of hell and there ain't no way they will ever be on the hot seat...........ever.

 

............keep spending your hard-earned money on this franchise..........Pegula and the investors thank you.

This would imply it all falls apart without McD. Which is laughable. It's an even money bet we would have gone just as far as we have with any of those guys and Allen. 

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This is legit driving me crazy…I love Josh and was probably close to a Josh can do no wrong person before postgame last night but hearing all this ‘they just need a defense that can get one stop and give Josh a chance to win it’ getting said a lot is starting to irk me.  That is literally exactly what has happened the last two years against the chiefs 

 

The bills offense has been listless against the chiefs in the fourth quarter the last two playoff matchups and were borderline useless against Baltimore both times we saw them. Yea 13 seconds was all on the defense obviously and I totally get people being salty about that still but it’s warping games that have happened after 

 

The its all McDermott and the defense narrative just ignores facts.   Especially when people start the hire Belichick nonsense.   Allen is fantastic, but to completely deny his role in not winning a championship isnt living in reality.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Dungy turned the Bucs from a joke into serious contenders. He was a very successful HC. Way better than McD imo.

He was a good HC that couldn't sniff a SB with one of the best defenses ever assembled.  Of course he had something to do with that.  However, if it was not for Manning waiving off the punt team when they were losing in the playoffs he may never have won a SuperBowl.    

[mjt328]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

I agree with you, but shouldn't this be directed at Beane more so than McDermott. Beane is the GM, and he is the one responsible for putting the roster together. I am sure McDermott has a say, but Terry Pegula said that both men report to him, and they both have equal power. Beane has the final say on GM matters when it comes to the draft and FA. So, McDermott isn't the boss of Beane like some on this board think he is. 

 

The Pegulas have made it clear that both Beane/McDermott are equals.  Neither is the boss of the other.

 

It never works out when a GM drafts players that don't fit the system.  The coaching staff won't use or develop them properly.

 

I truly believe that's the #2 reason that Doug Whaley failed as a GM (with the #1 reason being not finding a QB).  He had a good eye for talent, but worked poorly with the coaches.  I also think that's one of the reasons Kaiir Elam totally busted.  His skillset never fit our defense, so he got buried on the depth chart and then spent years trying to develop into a sound zone corner.  If our coaching staff is requesting a particular kind of D-Lineman, Linebacker, Cornerback, Etc.... then Beane would be foolish to go against their wishes, even if he believes a different kind of player would be better. 

 

The real problem is that the NFL trends change and evolve over time.  When McDermott first came to town, more teams were attacking downfield with the passing game.  His system was built to stop that.  But now offenses have gradually started getting bigger and better at running the ball.  Our small front 7 and heavy nickel stuff is outdated.  Not to mention the general philosophy of bend/don't break, force offenses into long drives, etc. has proven to be ineffective against playoff level QBs.  So that side of the ball is generally dead in the water.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

25 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

McBeane should be blown up if we go out again in the playoffs in similar fashion to years past. 

Our weaknesses from the past few seasons remain. 
 

We have the same problems that prevented us from getting over the hump in the past and almost certainly will again.

 

What is different this time?

This is the best argument for a change if they fail in the playoffs again.  We all see the same issues that are not being corrected.  But it is not going to happen so there really is little reason to even talk about it much anymore. I've dialed down my anti-mcD posts, because it is just too sad to think about the wasted opportunities. 

And to me that is the worst indictment of all, the passion for me at least is waning knowing that it's probably not going to change.   

 

Here is the other big issue.  We've already been there four times and lost.  Many fans feel a successful season can end without a Lombardi. For many of us though, without a championship it is just more frustration.