3rd round draft pick snap counts

[machine gun kelly]

On 9/30/2025 at 9:51 PM, Doc Brown said:

You don't have a life?  How is looking at the week 4 snap count percentage by the 3rd rounder on each NFL team in the previous draft to point out how disappointing ours has been not a fulfilling life?

C’mon Doc, be nice.  You’re an excellent poster, but Ethan although sometimes prickly, also gives a darn about the Bills.  I kind of like the deep dive.  It tells me it’s not that easy to break in right away for a mid round pick, especially on a very talented team.  I did laugh though.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

James Cook - was brought along slow as a rookie and lost playing time to an ancient RB in Gore.  
 

 

While it is definitely true that the Bills have had some success with draft picks even where they haven't had much impact their rookie season but you are confusing Cook with Singletary. Gore was long gone by Cook's rookie year - though Cook was stuck behind the bang average JAG that was Devin Singlepurpose in his first season.

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I agree with this.  But, it begs the question of whether you want to be drafting a raw player when you are in a win-now position.  I'm not sure there is a right answer, perhaps Jackson turns it on late in the season or next year an helps us win multiple SBs.  

 

 

 

By the third round, most players are "projects" in one way or another unless they have red flags because of physical or off-field issues.

 

12 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

the fact he's not active over Solomon is the most disheartening part, imho

 

One more time since it's already been mentioned a couple of times:  Solomon plays STs.  Jackson, at this point, does not, so he's behind Solomon.  

[BearNorth]

With the Week 2 practice to Ed Oliver, the Bills entire DI rotation was jumbled. Hopefully this will shake out before too long.  Good news is that Daquan, who many on this board had soured on last season, seems to be improved this season.  Hopefully Ogunjobi when he comes off his time in purgatory will be motivated to produce.

[Westside]

1 minute ago, BearNorth said:

With the Week 2 practice to Ed Oliver, the Bills entire DI rotation was jumbled. Hopefully this will shake out before too long.  Good news is that Daquan, who many on this board had soured on last season, seems to be improved this season.  Hopefully Ogunjobi when he comes off his time in purgatory will be motivated to produce.

I haven’t seen Jones in about two years. He’s invisible. I would rather have Star Loutoulle (I know I butchered his name).

At least he seemed to be trying.

[Augie]

On 9/30/2025 at 9:51 PM, Doc Brown said:

You don't have a life?  How is looking at the week 4 snap count percentage by the 3rd rounder on each NFL team in the previous draft to point out how disappointing ours has been not a fulfilling life?

 

This is sad. Gee, I have to wonder why the 3rd round was (cherry) picked. Why not the 2nd round, or the 4th and 5th rounds? 

 

Oh! I think I know! That wouldn’t put the FO in a bad light, and that is why we get out of bed in the morning. You don’t judge a draft just a few weeks in. You certainly don’t judge one round and think that is a meaningful comment on the FO. 

 

Let’s put this level of effort into 4th and 5th round picks? How do we look now? Genius? The truth is somewhere in the middle, as usual. 

 

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Edited Thursday at 07:38 PM by Augie

[Mat68]

On 9/30/2025 at 10:30 PM, Allen2Moulds said:

One of the things we have to factor is who is being activated in his place, and right now that's Solomon. By all accounts, Solomon has been horrible. I don't see how Landon Jackson can by any worst, and if he is, even at this early juncture, it's concerning.

I'm not one that cares about being right, especially when it comes to the Bills. I rather be wrong. That being said, Landon looked extremely stiff in College. Not sure how that gets better in the NFL. He will need to win with sheer size, power, and technique, if he's going to succeed. 

Length and size plays better in the NFL not as much a space game like college.  Imo by being thin at LB Solomon has dressed mainly for special teams.  I think Solomon has not finished while in the defensive rotation.  He is there just not making plays though getting in position to make them.  I would like to see Jackson make his debut and think he offers more against the run but im not at practice so who knows. Hoping it’s more special teams related and not a readiness issue with Jackson. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Higher ceiling lower floor players who need to adapt and grow

 

 

Knox has shown to have a low ceiling and a high floor.  I thought Williams would be the same with a little higher ceiling then Knox.  Based off of what I have seen this year, his ceiling and his floor seem to lowering.  If he is going to continue playing like he did last Sunday trying to corral Spencer Ratler, he should not be active going forward.

4 hours ago, BearNorth said:

With the Week 2 practice to Ed Oliver, the Bills entire DI rotation was jumbled. Hopefully this will shake out before too long.  Good news is that Daquan, who many on this board had soured on last season, seems to be improved this season.  Hopefully Ogunjobi when he comes off his time in purgatory will be motivated to produce.

If Daquan Jones is improved this year, why are we last in the league against the run?  I am not saying this tongue in cheek.  I seriously would like some answers as to why we can not consistently stop the run.  Are our guys too small?  Are they too slow?  Do they just pretty much suck against the run other than Walker?  

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While it is definitely true that the Bills have had some success with draft picks even where they haven't had much impact their rookie season but you are confusing Cook with Singletary. Gore was long gone by Cook's rookie year - though Cook was stuck behind the bang average JAG that was Devin Singlepurpose in his first season.

 

Oops, yes sorry Singletary ha, went too far back in my mind.  But yes, he was frustratingly under used as a rookie when we had Singletary here his rookie year and wasn't even used much in the role we at least thought he was drafted to do which was be a pass catching RB.  

[SoTier]

29 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Oops, yes sorry Singletary ha, went too far back in my mind.  But yes, he was frustratingly under used as a rookie when we had Singletary here his rookie year and wasn't even used much in the role we at least thought he was drafted to do which was be a pass catching RB.  

 

IIRC, there was a meme floating around TSW that Cook dropped passes as a rookie.   Aside from a dropped pass in the EZ, I personally don't remember that being the case. 

 

My guess is that it was more likely that Cook's blocking wasn't up-to-snuff.   

[iccrewman112]

On 9/30/2025 at 6:01 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

This is a corollary to the Landon Jackson thread so feel free to merge.  

I looked at the top 19 picks in the 3rd round. I don't have much of a life but I do want to get in the workshop tonight so I just did the top half.  That is 19 picks as there were 38 picks.  Bills drafted Landon Jackson with the 8th pick in the 3rd round so just about in the middle of this sample.  

See the table below. These numbers represent snap count percentage for week 4.  Data source link below.  I have no idea how accurate it is. 

https://www.footballguys.com/stats/snap-counts/teams?team=ARI&year=2025&type=snap-counts

Only two other players have been inactive all four games and only one other has been a healthy scratch - a 49ers LB.  The Titans WR has been injured but not on IR.  

Two had season ending injuries in camp and are on IR.

Two had no snaps in week 4 but had snaps in 2 of 4 games. All the others that played in week 4 also played in weeks 1-3.

  

 

 

It is data and you can judge it however you want.  There is a mix of good and bad teams.  There is a mix of positions. 

My take is that it is reasonable to expect a 3rd round pick that is not injured to be dressing on game day and playing in some capacity.  

 

is this table available with who the player(s) is/are from each team. I’d be interested to see if they are developmental/project picks and at what position they play as these are major factors on rookie season playing time, typically.

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

IIRC, there was a meme floating around TSW that Cook dropped passes as a rookie.   Aside from a dropped pass in the EZ, I personally don't remember that being the case. 

 

My guess is that it was more likely that Cook's blocking wasn't up-to-snuff.   

 

Cook has never been great at pass pro, but he was certainly a lot worse at it early in his career, and I am sure that factored in along with the fact they really liked Devin as well.  And we also frustratingly just didn't run the ball enough or as effectively as we do now back then.  

 

For the drops, I honestly don't remember if it was a thing or not his rookier year.  But I believe it was in year 2 where he dropped at least 4, possibly 5 would be TD's.  Funny, he didn't seem to drop a lot of other passes, but it was those routes (like a wheel route) more where he had to catch it further down field tracking the ball looking back for it that he just would muff, the kind of passes Ty makes look routine where ones that were Cooks kryptonite.  The team seems to understand that now and Cook doesn't get a lot of those looks anymore and they throw those most often to Ty.  

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Cook has never been great at pass pro, but he was certainly a lot worse at it early in his career, and I am sure that factored in along with the fact they really liked Devin as well.  And we also frustratingly just didn't run the ball enough or as effectively as we do now back then.  

 

For the drops, I honestly don't remember if it was a thing or not his rookier year.  But I believe it was in year 2 where he dropped at least 4, possibly 5 would be TD's.  Funny, he didn't seem to drop a lot of other passes, but it was those routes (like a wheel route) more where he had to catch it further down field tracking the ball looking back for it that he just would muff, the kind of passes Ty makes look routine where ones that were Cooks kryptonite.  The team seems to understand that now and Cook doesn't get a lot of those looks anymore and they throw those most often to Ty.  

 

It wasnt nearly that many. It was more like 2 drops each his rookie and 2nd year, with one of those memorable drops being during the 2023 Cowboys game, when he already had over 150 yards rushing (1 rushing TD) and 42 yards receiving (with a TD catch as well). But folks only remember the drop that happened late in the game when we were already blowing them out.

[Low Positive]

Beane sucks. Fire him. Fire everybody. Trade Josh Allen. Who cares? This is Drake Maye's division now, and we might as well rebuild for the next two decades. I read that right here, so it must be true. 

[BearNorth]

2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

If Daquan Jones is improved this year, why are we last in the league against the run?  I am not saying this tongue in cheek.  I seriously would like some answers as to why we can not consistently stop the run.  Are our guys too small?  Are they too slow?  Do they just pretty much suck against the run other than Walker?  

Losing Ed O after the first game was less than helpful to our run defense. TJ Sanders is near the bottom of run defense grades. Milano, Phillips, Logue, Bosa, Epenesa all grade poorly against the run, Williams, Rapp, and Solomon overall grades are near the bottom of their position groups.  McD's a defensive coach and his defense isn't getting it done.

 

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It wasnt nearly that many. It was more like 2 drops each his rookie and 2nd year, with one of those memorable drops being during the 2023 Cowboys game, when he already had over 150 yards rushing (1 rushing TD) and 42 yards receiving (with a TD catch as well). But folks only remember the drop that happened late in the game when we were already blowing them out.

 

No disrespect, the year I am referencing it was definitely at least 4 dropped sure fire TD's.  Might have been 5, but I know it was 4 as I had a running tally going that season and tracked it.  And like I said, it was the throws where he is running down field and having to look back over his shoulder to track the ball and make the catch where the drops happened.  And if you look at Cook this year and last year, he doesn't really get those kinds of targets anymore unless its an improvised play where he trying to get open for Allen to have a place to go with the ball.  

[Paup 1995MVP]

4 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Losing Ed O after the first game was less than helpful to our run defense. TJ Sanders is near the bottom of run defense grades. Milano, Phillips, Logue, Bosa, Epenesa all grade poorly against the run, Williams, Rapp, and Solomon overall grades are near the bottom of their position groups.  McD's a defensive coach and his defense isn't getting it done.

 

I agree Bear.  I think Williams is injured.  So hoping it’s Milano and Bernard starting at LB, w some help from Shaq Thompson, who I think has looked pretty solid when on the field.  And maybe a little Buffalo Joe as well.  
 

I would like to see Hancock getting some reps at safety for Rapp.  And hopefully Hairston is back by the second half of the season.  He and Strong splitting reps opposite Benford would be good to see.  Eventually I would like to see a starting secondary of Bishop Hancock Hairston and Benford.  And put Strong at slot Corner.  Taron Johnson looks washed.  And will likely be injured again shortly.  

[Maine-iac]

4 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

If Daquan Jones is improved this year, why are we last in the league against the run?  I am not saying this tongue in cheek.  I seriously would like some answers as to why we can not consistently stop the run.  Are our guys too small?  Are they too slow?  Do they just pretty much suck against the run other than Walker?  

We have faced Lamar, Fields, Tua, and Rattler.  Minus Tua, who only had 10 yards, the rest of those QB's are running QB's and ran for 170 yards.  If you take out the QB yardage we'd be right there with KC, Philly, or the Vikings.  That's a very general statement but my guess is after playing King Henry and a slew of running QB's things should even out a little.  I don't think we built this defense to stuff the run but I'd guess we will settle in to the middle of the pack instead of 2nd to last.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

 

If Daquan Jones is improved this year, why are we last in the league against the run?  I am not saying this tongue in cheek.  I seriously would like some answers as to why we can not consistently stop the run.  Are our guys too small?  Are they too slow?  Do they just pretty much suck against the run other than Walker?  

 

They are not executing. Their gap discipline is not good enough and their tackling is inconsistent.

[Maine-iac]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They are not executing. Their gap discipline is not good enough and their tackling is inconsistent.

To add to this it doesn't have to happen all the time.  When you play light boxes and 1 gap everything even 1 or 2 guys missing an assignment a game can be 2 big runs.  Add into that your safety (Rapp in particular) missing 1 or 2 tackles or taking a bad angle and not getting there at all and you have a handful of chunk running plays making your overall run defense look pretty bad.