streetkings01 Posted September 30 Posted September 30 10 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: 1-3 doesn’t help. Trevor Lawrence will make an appearance on this list at some point. The Jags are not a mirage. Lawrence looks like he might have turned a corner. Stafford? Shirley. Love instead of Goff? Not sure on that. Non-QB vote getter? Bijan Robinson. Yeah his 5 touchdowns, 4 interceptions in 4 games will surely get him MVP consideration! Quote
Robert Paulson Posted September 30 Posted September 30 (edited) I would just give it to Lemur now /s Edited September 30 by Robert Paulson Quote
warrior9 Posted September 30 Posted September 30 17 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Don't misunderstand... I think Josh deserves to be the MVP frontrunner. I also think he should have won MVP before last year. If there were a stat that could truly evaluate how valuable a player is to his team, Josh would score high. But there isn't - despite some claims from analytic sites that there is. It's cool that the NFL has an MVP award but the process for picking a winner is inevitably flawed. You literally gave some things of how the MVP is evaluated..... and again, Josh has the best avg of all of those things. 11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: For the third and final time, all I said is that he will make an appearance on the odds board at some point during the season. Is Matthew Stafford truly an MVP contender? He is on the board at the start of this thread. Yes.. his team wins because of him, Hurts' does not. 19 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: I mean, two years ago Brock Purdy was right near the top of the odds w CMC and potentially could have won it, if he hadn’t laid that egg against the Ravens. If Brock Purdy can get strong consideration for MVP, Jalen Hurts and his tush push make for a live bet too. Clearly not because Hurts is never in these conversations. His team didn't win BECAUSE of him. Purdy threw for 4300 yards and 31 TD's 2 years ago. Hurts never threw for 4,000 and more than 23 TDs Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 30 Posted September 30 There's no real MVP front runner as of now. There's not really been in the early goings of the season anyone that stands out as an MVP just yet. There's 2 4-0 teams and while Josh has had a strong start his stats aren't eye popping, Cook has a strong start too and eye popping stats but MVP's and RB's are hard to come by. The other 4-0 team the Eagles doesn't have a strong stand out either (Hurts and Barkley's stats are pedestrian). Then you look down at the 3-1 tier teams and the only eye capturing stats to me are Puca whose on pace for 2k+ yards receiving or Jonathan Taylor whose leading the league in rushing at 414 yards on a 3-1 team. I think Josh/Cook/Puca/Taylor/Stafford/Herbert/Jones are in the early running but we likely need 2-3 more weeks before we solidify this race a bit more. Quote
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted September 30 Posted September 30 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: There's no real MVP front runner as of now. There's not really been in the early goings of the season anyone that stands out as an MVP just yet. There's 2 4-0 teams and while Josh has had a strong start his stats aren't eye popping, Cook has a strong start too and eye popping stats but MVP's and RB's are hard to come by. The other 4-0 team the Eagles doesn't have a strong stand out either (Hurts and Barkley's stats are pedestrian). Then you look down at the 3-1 tier teams and the only eye capturing stats to me are Puca whose on pace for 2k+ yards receiving or Jonathan Taylor whose leading the league in rushing at 414 yards on a 3-1 team. I think Josh/Cook/Puca/Taylor/Stafford/Herbert/Jones are in the early running but we likely need 2-3 more weeks before we solidify this race a bit more. What's good, gents? What's good? Excellent points here across the board from our good friend billsfan89. Josh has played well, but perhaps not eye popping stats as you say. Right now, if he stays on the current pace, he'd finish with something that looks like 4,097 yards passing, 30 TD's, 5 INT's and 676 yards rushing + 13 rushing TD's. That breaks down to 4773 total yards and 43 total TD's and 5 INT's. Is that stat line enough to get a second MVP? If the team finishes somewhere around 14-3 or better and locks up the 1 seed with those numbers, it seems reasonable. What say you? Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 30 Posted September 30 1 hour ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said: What's good, gents? What's good? Excellent points here across the board from our good friend billsfan89. Josh has played well, but perhaps not eye popping stats as you say. Right now, if he stays on the current pace, he'd finish with something that looks like 4,097 yards passing, 30 TD's, 5 INT's and 676 yards rushing + 13 rushing TD's. That breaks down to 4773 total yards and 43 total TD's and 5 INT's. Is that stat line enough to get a second MVP? If the team finishes somewhere around 14-3 or better and locks up the 1 seed with those numbers, it seems reasonable. What say you? If would largely say that Josh if he's gonna finish with those numbers and the Bills get a 1 seed at 13-4 or 14-3 then that should firmly put him in any MVP discussion top 2-3 and 95% of the time he would win MVP going away. But Josh's numbers aren't eye popping in the sense that he's leading the league in total yards and TD's by a wide margin and has not firmly cemented himself as a Bonafede MVP front runner just yet. Of course consistency is key in any MVP race and wins are paramount. Josh is in the MVP conversation but it's one that there's no leader in the clubhouse for the award. Honestly most seasons there rarely is. Last year Lamar/Barkley/Josh didn't emerge as the MVP favorites until deeper into November. Quote
julian Posted September 30 Posted September 30 7 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If would largely say that Josh if he's gonna finish with those numbers and the Bills get a 1 seed at 13-4 or 14-3 then that should firmly put him in any MVP discussion top 2-3 and 95% of the time he would win MVP going away. But Josh's numbers aren't eye popping in the sense that he's leading the league in total yards and TD's by a wide margin and has not firmly cemented himself as a Bonafede MVP front runner just yet. Of course consistency is key in any MVP race and wins are paramount. Josh is in the MVP conversation but it's one that there's no leader in the clubhouse for the award. Honestly most seasons there rarely is. Last year Lamar/Barkley/Josh didn't emerge as the MVP favorites until deeper into November. So what you’re saying is essentially, nothing to see or talk about here and we should resume MVP discussions in late November. I’m ok with that, not sure others want to stop talking about the MVP on a fan message board. Quote
sunshynman Posted September 30 Posted September 30 22 hours ago, DapperCam said: If you think KC is back in business, then Mahomes and Allen will probably be battling each other for the MVP. But the KC offense looked very discombobulated the first 3 weeks, and I'm not sure if the Ravens defense doesn't just suck now. I don't know. Sounds like wishful thinking. They look beatable, by a good team. But Mahomes looks good with someone to throw the ball to now. I think Kelce might stroke out before the season is over. If the D continues to under preform, then I would feel like they might have a tough season. Quote
billsfan89 Posted September 30 Posted September 30 50 minutes ago, julian said: So what you’re saying is essentially, nothing to see or talk about here and we should resume MVP discussions in late November. I’m ok with that, not sure others want to stop talking about the MVP on a fan message board. It's fun fan speculation to have these conversations week to week, but there's just not really much meat on the bone just yet. It is very hard in football for there to be a Bonafede MVP front runner 4 weeks into a season but it is still nice to have some fan speculation. 1 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted September 30 Posted September 30 6 hours ago, warrior9 said: Clearly not because Hurts is never in these conversations. His team didn't win BECAUSE of him. Purdy threw for 4300 yards and 31 TD's 2 years ago. Hurts never threw for 4,000 and more than 23 TDs If the Eagles end up with the best record in the league including a win over the Bills, Hurts will be in the conversation. For instance, in 2022 when the Eagles finished 14-3, Hurts was second in the voting to Mahomes. The Chiefs were also 14-3 that season and Mahomes put up over 5,000 yards. The QBs of the best teams in the league get the most credit, and a late season win by the Eagles over the Bills with some tush pushes will help the Hurts narrative soon before the voting. Quote
Gregg Posted Wednesday at 12:21 PM Posted Wednesday at 12:21 PM On 9/29/2025 at 11:18 PM, GASabresIUFan said: James Cook! Thru 4 games he has 401 yards rushing with 5 TDs and has added 12 receptions for 89 yards. The rushing stats thru 4 games are pretty impressive. Quote
warrior9 Posted Wednesday at 01:58 PM Posted Wednesday at 01:58 PM 16 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: If the Eagles end up with the best record in the league including a win over the Bills, Hurts will be in the conversation. For instance, in 2022 when the Eagles finished 14-3, Hurts was second in the voting to Mahomes. The Chiefs were also 14-3 that season and Mahomes put up over 5,000 yards. The QBs of the best teams in the league get the most credit, and a late season win by the Eagles over the Bills with some tush pushes will help the Hurts narrative soon before the voting. No he won't. They finished 14-3 last year too. 22 was statistically his best year. He had only 6 INTs 3700+ passing yards 700+ rushing yards and 37 TDs... He was the reason his team was winning.. He is not the reason his team is winning anymore and that's reflected in his lack of MVP voting last year. Again, 12 QBs in the NFL win a SB with that team last year. You can't use a "for instance" when the EXACT SAME thing happened last year and he was no where near MVP convo's. QB's on the winningest team who win BECAUSE of the QB are in the convo. Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted Wednesday at 02:08 PM Posted Wednesday at 02:08 PM 1 minute ago, warrior9 said: No he won't. They finished 14-3 last year too. 22 was statistically his best year. He had only 6 INTs 3700+ passing yards 700+ rushing yards and 37 TDs... He was the reason his team was winning.. He is not the reason his team is winning anymore and that's reflected in his lack of MVP voting last year. Again, 12 QBs in the NFL win a SB with that team last year. You can't use a "for instance" when the EXACT SAME thing happened last year and he was no where near MVP convo's. QB's on the winningest team who win BECAUSE of the QB are in the convo. You’re the one that said Hurts is “never” in these conversations. Like you’ve now acknowledged, he has been before and I think at 14 to 1, those are good odds to take that chance that the narrative starts to swing back in his favor at some point this season. The points you make about his stats are why he is still 14-1, but if he starts to put together a stronger stretch of play and his team is still winning, he’s going to be in the convo. Even though Philly was 14-3 last year, they weren’t even the 1 seed in the NFC and Saquon put up an unbelievable season. Meanwhile, we all know that Josh and Lamar were putting up record breaking seasons too, and the vote swung enough Josh’s way to win it. Josh is deservedly the favorite right now because the Bills have a really good chance of earning the 1 seed in the AFC and Josh is a stud, but if Philly goes something like 14-3 or better and that includes a win over the Bills with Hurts making some big plays to win that game, the narrative could conceivably move towards Hurts. 1 Quote
4merper4mer Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago On 9/29/2025 at 10:33 PM, NeverOutNick said: 💯 he’s not a good QB. He plays a good half once in a while and has a plethora of weapons but he and the Jags are exactly that…jags You were saying? 1 Quote
BillytheKid Posted 3 hours ago Author Posted 3 hours ago Thanks for bringing this back up. Even with the loss Allen is still favored to win the MVP after 5 weeks. It helped having Mahomes lose tonight as he had moved up to 2nd or 3rd depending on the Sports book. Allen is +135 at fanduel and +140 at DK. Mahomes was 2nd in both but he will probably drop now after the 3rd loss. Quote
PetermansRedemption Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago I hate the QB bias in the MVP voting. Mccafrey is the entire 49ers team right now. He is their number 1 RB and number 1 WR. He should be the front runner IMO. Quote
DapperCam Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago I think as of right now Allen is tied for the lead in total TDs with Goff and just behind Stafford in total yardage. He does have 3 turnovers in 5 games, which is on pace for like 10 or so. Which isn’t terrible, but not great either (Geno already has 9 INTs, lol). All of the QBs with a lot of volume have similar turnovers right now. If the criteria is “best QB that is the #1 or #2 seed in the conference”, then I’d say Allen is a pretty good bet. Goff has a chance as well, but he’s hurt by the supporting cast argument. I’m pretty sure Daniel Jones will turn back into a pumpkin (even if the Colts keep winning). Quote
Big Blitz Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Diggs Maye Boutte Hunter Henry Christian Gonzalez In that order. Quote
tigerthelion Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago If Dak keeps putting up numbers, especially without Lamb, and the Cowboys end up with, say, 11 or 12 wins, perhaps he could swoop in for MVP. Longshot for the Cowboys to keep winning, likely, but stranger things have happened. Quote
DapperCam Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, tigerthelion said: If Dak keeps putting up numbers, especially without Lamb, and the Cowboys end up with, say, 11 or 12 wins, perhaps he could swoop in for MVP. Longshot for the Cowboys to keep winning, likely, but stranger things have happened. I don’t think the Cowboys will be good enough to be a top seed in the NFC. His ceiling is 2023 Dak, who got some MVP votes, but wasn’t ever really a legit candidate. Goff could get it IMO. Lions have a good shot at the #1 seed, and his counting stats will likely be near the top of the league. 1 Quote
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