Game week thread - Pats at Bills SNF

[BananaB]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's been said enough that I think it probably was true.  Kraft thought they had a roster that was better than 8-8 or they wouldn't have fired Carroll. 5-11 1st year, lost first 2 games, seat hot.  

Brady did exactly what he was asked to do in that Charlie Weis offense: make the right pre- and post-snap read and make the right decision on where to go with the ball.

First time I ever heard that. 😂 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Does anyone know anyone that hates the Bills more than Chris Simms?

 

God almighty, you'd think they did unsavory things with his wife or something

 

[boyst]

28 minutes ago, boyst said:

belichick was about to be fired at the end of the season squandering bledsoe.

@BananaBlaugh all you want but it's true. 

[Solomon Grundy]

I can almost guarantee that Vrabel will have something schemed up to block a punt. Our long snapper is suspect at best 

[BillsFan130]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think I'm about to where I'll give up, but riddle me this: where did the Bills rank for # of defensive plays?  TOP?

 

Yes, it would certainly be concerning if Maye and the Pats shredded the Bills on 3rd downs and moved the ball with relative ease

We can disagree all good. The bills defence under Babich doesn't really give me much confidence at all and I think that's fair to think that way. Im glad you're more confident in him than I am.

 

Like I said I still think the Bills win. I just go back to my original point where I say McDaniel is a much better coordinator than Babich which does give me some concern in this game. I don't think many people would disagree with me there.

 

Anyways, Go Bills.

Edited Thursday at 09:22 PM by BillsFan130

[boyst]

Just now, BananaB said:

First time I ever heard that. 😂 

The Patriots had Carrol as their HC. He was young, had swagger, and did pretty good in the NFL at that point 33-31.

 

Kraft was struggling to decide what to do but ultimately decided it would be best to move on from a dismall average performance. After all, Bledsoe was hands down considered top 2-3 QBs in the NFL. Highest paid player in history with the contract that he signed before the 2001 season he got injured. He was sto be the Patriots future.

 

Weiss system didn't work for Bledsoe like it should and didn't balance in harmony with the defense that the Patriots fielded. Bledsoe was a gunslinger that took risks and quick drives. Belichick learned defense about slow and controlled defense to run the clock time.

[Mojo44]

1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said:

A slaughterhouse of meatheads?

A clown car of meatheads?

[fergie's ire]

2 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

A clown car of meatheads?

A Kevin Spacey of meatheads?

[PatsFanNH]

10 minutes ago, boyst said:

Lol

 

Please take as much offense to this as possible because right now it is deserved but you may be forgiven since as a patriots fan you didn't discover football until some time in mid October 2001.

 

Belichick had precious experience in Cleveland and in his narcissistic grandeur wore his welcome out there. 36-44. His success largely entailed riding the coattails of Parcells.

 

He went to NYJ as HC and chickened out, too. He got to NE and thought he would get another go at it. 

 

The Internet is impossible to search for it with all the time since 2000 was a long time ago but the NE fans wanted him gone especially the 0-1 start and 5-11 start before.

 

After Bledsoe was injured the team called and  brought in some QBs to tryout. Belichick opted to roll with what he had and was quoted as saying he will try the rookie out and rely on the defense. The speculation was that he knew the season was done and he likely wouldn't last beyond his second year with Bledsoe hurt. Bledsoe had just become the highest paid player ever, mind you.

 

Brady came in and didn't make mistakes his first year. He did just enough to get the positions to win and not give up enough to cost a loss. 

 

If not for Brady Belichick would not have been the HC the next year.

 

It's sad how Patriots fans don't know this but again, most don't know football before Sept 23rdh 2001. 

Sigh first I was a pats fan in 1986 with Tony Eason and the gang got crushed by the bears have been since. I lived three the Suck bowl between the Jets and Pats get the 1st overall pick which ended up being Bledsoe. (Also lived through the fear of the team moving till Kraft bought them.. number one are St Louis)

 

second why is it when people talk about Cleveland they forget he brought them to the playoffs and the next year the owner announced they were moving to Baltimore and the wheels fell off.. 

 

I’ll forgive you for not knowing 2001 well for the Pats, you’re a Bills fan. The simple truth is Brady was a simple game manager that year and played smart, don’t turn the football over. He had a decent year but hardly earth shattering and Bledsoe had been in decline for a few years with his cement feet. (Which Buffalo fans learned all about)

14 minutes ago, boyst said:

Forgive him. He was either born in the 2000, doesn't know who steve Grogan is, or most likely didn't discover football until Oct 2001 when the Brady mania took over.

You probably don’t know who Tony Eason is, or who Raymond Berry was.. he’ll you probably don’t remember how 1986 SB the Pats d got a turnover and the O marched a little and got the early 3-0 lead.. but ya I don’t know the Pats but you all do 😂 

[Success]

Good to see you again, @PatsFanNH!  Seems like it's been awhile since you posted here....

[Magox]

TJ Sanders 👀

 

 

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

TJ Sanders 👀

 

 

Liars! He sucks. I read it right here.

[PatsFanNH]

9 minutes ago, Success said:

Good to see you again, @PatsFanNH!  Seems like it's been awhile since you posted here....

Lost my password and the reset wouldn’t work for some reason long finally did.. but I’m glad you guys finally seeing some success. I’ve always said the Bills fans were the most humble when the Pats were awful on the 90’s and you guys ran the AFC. Never had a bad experience tailgating with any of you back when I could afford tickets lol

[finn]

35 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Does anyone know anyone that hates the Bills more than Chris Simms?

 

God almighty, you'd think they did unsavory things with his wife or something

 

He might be right about the Bills defense, but the Bills not being able to run on the NE defense--and not being able to pass, either? So one of the top offenses of last year and this year utterly stymied by the Patriots? I'm pessimistic about the game because of the Bills leaky defense, but the offense is a sleeping giant. They haven't blown teams out because they haven't needed to. 

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, finn said:

He might be right about the Bills defense, but the Bills not being able to run on the NE defense--and not being able to pass, either? So one of the top offenses of last year and this year utterly stymied by the Patriots? I'm pessimistic about the game because of the Bills leaky defense, but the offense is a sleeping giant. They haven't blown teams out because they haven't needed to. 

You gotta see it from a content creation standpoint. This week's schedule is a pretty lopsided slate of games. Analysts are under pressure to not just pick all chalk. So they pick one where they can make a case for the upset. Who else are they gonna pick? Well, SI all picked the Bills for whatever thats worth.

[Success]

10 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

You gotta see it from a content creation standpoint. This week's schedule is a pretty lopsided slate of games. Analysts are under pressure to not just pick all chalk. So they pick one where they can make a case for the upset. Who else are they gonna pick? Well, SI all picked the Bills for whatever thats worth.

 

I'll always appreciate this.  I remember during the drought when we were on the other side of it almost every week.

 

[Beck Water]

 

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Forgive him. He was either born in the 2000, doesn't know who steve Grogan is, or most likely didn't discover football until Oct 2001 when the Brady mania took over.

 

Tony Eason maybe?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

We can disagree all good.

 

Fair 'nuff

 

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

The bills defence under Babich doesn't really give me much confidence at all and I think that's fair to think that way. Im glad you're more confident in him than I am.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think the Bills defense has its issues right now.  But I think Babich is a fine young DC.  I think he's getting a weird case of the finger-pointies from fans right now.  Now, if we're still getting time outs due to 10 men on field or penalties for 12 men on field in 2 games, I'll get back to you.

 

To me, the fundamental problem with the Bills D is that it's built to work like a net, where every player on the D knows his role, knows how his assignment changes with post-snap changes on O and the actual route choices receivers make, and executes.  Part of the net moves, and the rest of the net adjusts to follow it. It's the reason the Bills D can perform well and rank highly without 3-4 stars, with just decent guys.  It's the reason it can absorb the loss of a starter or 2 and still function well if the backup also knows his job and does it.

 

But right now, we've got too many newbies.  We've got Dorian Williams, we've got Cam Lewis, we've got Rapp and Bishop, we've got changes on the DL.  Part of the net moves, and the rest of the net does not adjust or adjusts the wrong way and the result is guys out of position.  They're not missing tackles because they don't know how to tackle for the most part, they're missing tackles because they're out of position and 0.5 sec slow.

 

Either it will improve as starters return and as young starters get more game time, or it won't.  Can't tell you which right now.

 

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Like I said I still think the Bills win. I just go back to my original point where I say McDaniel is a much better coordinator than Babich which does give me some concern in this game. I don't think many people would disagree with me there.

 

I assume you mean Josh McDaniels, not Mike McDaniel, and no, actually, I don't concede that at all.  And if "many people" don't disagree, I guess that doesn't concern me much unless those "many people" have actually followed McDaniels chequered career outside NE

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

First time I ever heard that. 😂 

 

Bart Scott didn't come up with his MadBacker quip in a vacuum or on his own.  He came up with his quip because it was known.

Edited Thursday at 10:33 PM by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Does anyone know anyone that hates the Bills more than Chris Simms?

 

God almighty, you'd think they did unsavory things with his wife or something

 

 

I actually don't think Chris Simms hates the Bills at all.   I think he's a not-so-closeted Josh Allen fanboy, to the point where he has a case of BBFS because he thinks the Bills aren't "doing right" to put the right pieces around his Boy Blue.

 

But as far as his predictions go, he's paid to generate controversy, so he's gotta do something.

Edited Thursday at 10:37 PM by Beck Water

[BillsFan130]

22 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Fair 'nuff

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I think the Bills defense has its issues right now.  But I think Babich is a fine young DC.  I think he's getting a weird case of the finger-pointies from fans right now.  Now, if we're still getting time outs due to 10 men on field or penalties for 12 men on field in 2 games, I'll get back to you.

 

To me, the fundamental problem with the Bills D is that it's built to work like a net, where every player on the D knows his role, knows how his assignment changes with post-snap changes on O and the actual route choices receivers make, and executes.  Part of the net moves, and the rest of the net adjusts to follow it. It's the reason the Bills D can perform well and rank highly without 3-4 stars, with just decent guys.  It's the reason it can absorb the loss of a starter or 2 and still function well if the backup also knows his job and does it.

 

But right now, we've got too many newbies.  We've got Dorian Williams, we've got Cam Lewis, we've got Rapp and Bishop, we've got changes on the DL.  Part of the net moves, and the rest of the net does not adjust or adjusts the wrong way and the result is guys out of position.  They're not missing tackles because they don't know how to tackle for the most part, they're missing tackles because they're out of position and 0.5 sec slow.

 

Either it will improve as starters return and as young starters get more game time, or it won't.  Can't tell you which right now.

 

 

I assume you mean Josh McDaniels, not Mike McDaniel, and no, actually, I don't concede that at all.  And if "many people" don't disagree, I guess that doesn't concern me much unless those "many people" have actually followed McDaniels chequered career outside NE

 

Bart Scott didn't come up with his MadBacker quip in a vacuum or on his own.  He came up with his quip because it was known.

You are judging Mcdaniels as a head coach, not a coordinator. To get a head coaching job, you have to be a very good to an elite coordinator. And he has had multiple head coaching jobs- In 2009 and 2022- Which shows he has been an excellent coordinator for almost 20 years.

 

  Babich on the other hand has accomplished nothing in this league as a coordinator and the defence has gotten worse since he has taken over in 2024. These are all facts you cannot deny, whether you think it is his fault or not.

Edited Thursday at 10:53 PM by BillsFan130