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[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

It makes you wonder...

 

 

There are a lot of posters here that are exclusively negative... all season long negativity and skepticism.

 

It really gets old for people who want to actually enjoy the ride and are excited for what the future holds.

 

Some of these negativists would have a lot more credibility if they acknowledged some of the positive aspects of a team which is on track for their 7th straight double digit win season and 8th playoff appearance in 9 years... a team that appears to many objective observers to be improving.

 

Some of us believe this is the best team of the McBeane era and want to enjoy this golden era and our sense of anticipation.

 

 

It's almost completely futile trying to convince naysayers who will endlessly harp on the same negative talking points right up until the moment that the Bills hoist the Super Bowl.

 

In their eyes nothing will change and it's important to them that the world knows that they feel nothing will change.

 

I will add a disclaimer to my every post that that the Bills will win 11+ games and the AFCE and be generally pleasant to watch and that’s great. 
 

But I still think there’s some other flaws to discuss.

 

Ultimately “the Bills are still really good, let’s not talk about anything negative” is not a fun or insightful conversation to have. 
 

I think folks really just view things differently. I love watching this version of the Bills and I really want them to win it all. I also love discussing players’ performances, and gleaning insight from maybe more knowledgeable folks. And really, the unfortunate part is that I think ALL viewers find it more engaging to discuss flaws vs discuss successes. 
 

If someone posts a sick Spencer Brown block, it’s awesome. It will get a bunch of likes. But there’s nothing really to say, besides “great play.”

 

If someone posts a bad rep by a DB, there will be 4 pages of whose fault was where, and what was the responsibility and the leverage and etc etc. 

 

you are kinda fighting human nature, imo.

[DasNootz]

We are very fortunate the schedule is laid out the way it is.  This defense may be dramatically different after the bye week.

[H2o]

We have beaten the vaunted Ravens with Lamar, Henry, Flowers, Bateman, Hopkins, and Andrews. A Ravens team.that TYPICALLY handles us in an easy manner during the regular season. Josh puts on the cape, the defense makes timely plays, and we get the W. It was SPECIAL, first week of fhe season or not. Beat the Jets, who have the TSW idol Breece Hall, who also hung 30 on the Steelers defense, while only allowing 10 points. Then we beat the Dolphins last night, who usually give the defense fits because of their speed at the skill positions, allowing 21 points. If you watched that game, and you ever felt that outcome was in doubt, to each their own I guess. This team may not be the early 2000's Ravens or Bucs, it may not be the Denver defense that Peyton had behind him, but as long as we're winning the TO battle and they are making timely plays, I love our chances with JA17. 

[FireChans]

53 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Good, you understand the point.

 

It is 3 games. 

It is 3 games.

 

Gun to your head, are Beane and McD really pleased behind closed doors about Rousseau’s performance these 3 games?

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

This is NOT a championship-calibre defense. 

 

The same issues and concerns are still gaping holes on a defense that “Big Baller” Beane and his "defensive mastermind” head coach have spent many offseasons addressing. 

 

This team has a “Trent Edwards is our QB” philosophy and I don’t know how much longer fans are going to put up with it. Beating the 0-2 Dolphins who were on the verge of mailing in the rest of the season should not be the standard of excellence around here. It needs to be “Super Bowl appearance or GTFO”. 

I feel the opposite,  we are extremely balanced on O , keeps defenses guessing and again averaging over 30 ppg . 

Our 2 and 3 TE looks are dominant and they proved they could go pass heavy if needed vs Baltimore..

 

Defense is down multiple starters, Ed, Milano and maybe Max and get a weapon in Hoecht in week 7 and a solid DT in Obujani , 3-0 , 2-0 in division,  division games are tough especially on a Thursday 

 

This team is 100% SB caliber, just win by any means necessary 

Edited September 19 by JerseyBills

[Mark80]

1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said:

This is NOT a championship-calibre defense. 

 

The same issues and concerns are still gaping holes on a defense that “Big Baller” Beane and his "defensive mastermind” head coach have spent many offseasons addressing. 

 

This team has a “Trent Edwards is our QB” philosophy and I don’t know how much longer fans are going to put up with it. Beating the 0-2 Dolphins who were on the verge of mailing in the rest of the season should not be the standard of excellence around here. It needs to be “Super Bowl appearance or GTFO”. 

Please.  They gave up a whopping 276 yards and 21 points.  Give me a break.  Without Oliver, without Milano, without Hairston, without Hoecht, without Ogunjobi.  Your take sucks.

[Dillenger4]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t really count Matt Milano as a starter at this point.

 

A guy I hope we have when it matters.. but not counting on it. 
 

Oliver, big loss.   He, along with Bosa, gives us two guys who can dominate their matchups on the DL. 
 

If we’re using the missing players excuse as to why the Defense was meh… give me the Hoecht excuse.  That dude can ball.  
 

Hairston is a complete WC, but if he can give us an upgrade at CB2 by the time we get to the playoffs, that’s massive because it’s clear that while Tre White looks serviceable .. he’s getting targeted and has very mixed results. 
 

Boom. I agree. Nice win for sure! Go Bills.

But yes, Tre looks cooked! We need Strong and then Max to return.

On the 3rd and 12 play where Miami ended up scoring the TD to tie at 21 - Tre was blitzing and wide openly missed Tua. Tua made him look like a rookie. Tre completely woofed on that assignment and boom - first down. Two plays later they targeted Tre in the EZ with Waddle - Touchdown, game tied.

Other than Tre we will be fine.

3-0 baby.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

agree 100%.  Miami was playing a lot of 2 high looks with a spy in the middle, daring Allen to take the short stuff and hoping he would eventually get frustrated and press (hoping for an interception).  Allen was patient ALL night and didn't force anything.  That's the sign of a super mature QB.

And I guess the only other 'deep pass' was the TD attempt to the back of the end zone for Kincaid.  Perfect pass by Josh but the CB timed it perfectly to break it up.

That’s been the book on Allen for awhile now and our own fans want him to just play right into it lol. It feels like I’m watching a different game at times…a lot of these underneath/quick throws at the LOS are working but people only seem to notice the ones that don’t 

[Wayne Cubed]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I will add a disclaimer to my every post that that the Bills will win 11+ games and the AFCE and be generally pleasant to watch and that’s great. 
 

But I still think there’s some other flaws to discuss.

 

Ultimately “the Bills are still really good, let’s not talk about anything negative” is not a fun or insightful conversation to have. 
 

I think folks really just view things differently. I love watching this version of the Bills and I really want them to win it all. I also love discussing players’ performances, and gleaning insight from maybe more knowledgeable folks. And really, the unfortunate part is that I think ALL viewers find it more engaging to discuss flaws vs discuss successes. 
 

If someone posts a sick Spencer Brown block, it’s awesome. It will get a bunch of likes. But there’s nothing really to say, besides “great play.”

 

If someone posts a bad rep by a DB, there will be 4 pages of whose fault was where, and what was the responsibility and the leverage and etc etc. 

 

you are kinda fighting human nature, imo.

 

This.

 

When it's 3rd and 10, with Hill and Waddle in a stacked set, with just Benford standing in front, with Bishop running over late, that's odd and concerning. And something to discuss because what the hell was that defensive call. 

 

What's up with Rousseau? Again, something to discuss and speculate on. Especially against a team that had a weak OL and was focussing more on Bosa.

 

When Bernard makes a game ending interception, it's a great play and we all love it. What else is there to discuss on that?

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

We are very fortunate the schedule is laid out the way it is.  This defense may be dramatically different after the bye week.

Pretty much perfect schedule scenario. 
 

Sanders & Walker getting a ton of reps and showing a high floor.  They should only get better.  Looking like two hits on the DL for Beane. 

 

I think they’ll ride Bosa a little more than they’d like until Hoecht comes back, and then he’ll get ratcheted back a bit when we have a weapon like him to rotate in.

 

Just get Oliver fully healthy.  Hes missed, but we can win without him in this stretch. 
 

Just wish Hairston was able to get reps in this stretch.   Hopefully they can get him on the field Week 5 or 6, Bye week and then a Carolina game before we play the Chiefs.  This Defense takes a massive step if he’s an upgrade at CB2. 
 

Milano, imo, is a cross your fingers we get him to the playoffs healthy.  Would like to rest him for a few weeks and get Dorian Williams & Shaq Thompson more reps … like what I saw from them, but they aren’t the weapon Milano is when healthy. 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I will add a disclaimer to my every post that that the Bills will win 11+ games and the AFCE and be generally pleasant to watch and that’s great. 
 

But I still think there’s some other flaws to discuss.

 

Ultimately “the Bills are still really good, let’s not talk about anything negative” is not a fun or insightful conversation to have. 
 

I think folks really just view things differently. I love watching this version of the Bills and I really want them to win it all. I also love discussing players’ performances, and gleaning insight from maybe more knowledgeable folks. And really, the unfortunate part is that I think ALL viewers find it more engaging to discuss flaws vs discuss successes. 
 

If someone posts a sick Spencer Brown block, it’s awesome. It will get a bunch of likes. But there’s nothing really to say, besides “great play.”

 

If someone posts a bad rep by a DB, there will be 4 pages of whose fault was where, and what was the responsibility and the leverage and etc etc. 

 

you are kinda fighting human nature, imo.

 

I really appreciate your thoughtful reply.

 

I disagree though that negativity and criticism are more interesting than positivity.

 

Balanced critical conversation is the best but many posters here lack balance. If they were balanced their words would carry more weight because people would see that they have a sound perspective on things and that they're not just always complaining. When I see posters who are continuously negative it's not hard to imagine how they might be in their own lives.

 

I think that a lot of Bills fans live vicariously through the team and use the team as a proxy for their own unhappiness and frustrations.

 

On the other hand are people who somehow have been afforded happiness, but who are still discerning, capable of critical thinking, and have interesting views on things... without the constant need to bring others down... 

 

I personally don't find people that smile and laugh a lot to be shallow or boring... does anyone think Josh Allen isn't a complex and fascinating person?

 

So I don't think negativity is more insightful... if anything, the opposite.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t really count Matt Milano as a starter at this point.

 

A guy I hope we have when it matters.. but not counting on it. 
 

Oliver, big loss.   He, along with Bosa, gives us two guys who can dominate their matchups on the DL. 
 

If we’re using the missing players excuse as to why the Defense was meh… give me the Hoecht excuse.  That dude can ball.  
 

Hairston is a complete WC, but if he can give us an upgrade at CB2 by the time we get to the playoffs, that’s massive because it’s clear that while Tre White looks serviceable .. he’s getting targeted and has very mixed results. 
 

Every day we’re getting closer to ‘even if Hairston is bad he’s an upgrade from Tre’ haha. I think I said Hairston is a big injury week 1 and got laughed at by somebody lol

 

I do think tre will be a serviceable wr2 against most teams but the dolphins aren’t that team lol that was the biggest difference between the dolphins and jets games for me…jets have Garrett Wilson as wr1 then a bunch of nobodies so they couldn’t really exploit anything in the passing game 

[muppy]

31 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

The defense will get better when/if we get our full complement of players back available 

Bingo.

 

In a nutshell this is  IT 

[Senth]

Our defense is a WIP.

 

As this new infusion of young talent gets further down the road the better we'll get.

 

Gotta keep an eye out for any available upgrade to our defensive depth.

 

We need to get that 1st pick on the field ASAP White is ok but can't stay with any real speed receivers anymore.

 

So far Walker, Hawes and Strong have made contributions.

 

We gotta get more from Sanders and of course we gotta wait a little bit longer for Hairston.

 

The players on suspension could change the face of this defense as well I'm really looking forward to seeing that.

 

 

[Buffalo4Life01]

14 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That’s been the book on Allen for awhile now and our own fans want him to just play right into it lol. It feels like I’m watching a different game at times…a lot of these underneath/quick throws at the LOS are working but people only seem to notice the ones that don’t 

well said!!

[blitzboy54]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

I’m just confused what you want? Everyone to sit here and mope because we beat a division rival by 10 points on a short week while holding them to under 250 yards? 
 

Nobody is celebrating like we won the Super Bowl, it’s week 3. You play one week at a time, so you get to react to one week at a time. 

 

The whole point of this thing is to ***** enjoy every step of the ride. If you want to be a miserable prick, after a win, that’s your prerogative. 

Because this is how we get bounced every year. The team keeps doing the same things with the same warning signs and come January we go home. All while having not only the best QB this team has ever seen but the best in the league right now. Until proven otherwise the fan base that gets shouted down every time they dare ask can we talk about the coach or can we get a WR is going to be skeptical until they do it. This is Josh Allen's prime. RIGHT NOW, it will plateau then decline. We have to at least get to a championship game or WTF are we doing?   

[goldenboy81]

The dolphins played really well in their superbowl last night. Just wasnt enough

[Billsatlastin2018]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

I’m just confused what you want? Everyone to sit here and mope because we beat a division rival by 10 points on a short week while holding them to under 250 yards? 
 

Nobody is celebrating like we won the Super Bowl, it’s week 3. You play one week at a time, so you get to react to one week at a time. 

 

The whole point of this thing is to ***** enjoy every step of the ride. If you want to be a miserable prick, after a win, that’s your prerogative. 

I want to be as level headed as possible in the present situation.
 

Always said, I don’t care whether the Bills win by 1 or 100… it’s the same- a W! And the Bills are 3/3 in 2025.

 

And of course, when you #17 as QB, EVERY game is winnable and you most certainly have a Championship calibre Team. Plus this year, you happen to have a low strength of schedule, not seen before that I can recall, this entire millennium.

 

HOWEVER, In 2024 I tore out my diminishing hair watching this pathetic D being unable to get off the field on 3rd Down (30th rated)- regardless of distance, plus lacking two critical factors: they can’t pressure QBs and coverage of decent WRs is abysmal! As in, often they aren’t within 5 yards in the TV picture. I ranted and raved about those stone cold facts to my Bills’ buddies. 

 

The Bills obviously and Beane saw the same and heard me. But so far, in 2/3 games, very little has changed. The one critical positive is clearly, as they’ve done it for 25 straight games (NFL Record), is win the TO battle. On the Offensive side, this is a combo of Allen maturity and McD coaching. DON’T do anything stupid, because with your limitless talent, you don’t have to do anything risky to score tons of points. On the D, McD & company, has clearly coached all of them up on ball hawking.

 

You cannot necessarily win the Lombardi with only that strategy, unless the overall talent improves. It doesn’t have to be the 1985 Bears, but it must improve. I am cautioned by another poster who stated: 

 

“As knowledgable Bills fans here have been saying for months, the team signed multiple significant defensive free agents (Bosa, Hoecht, Ogunjobi, Shaq) not to mention Tre White and Dane Jackson. They drafted 6 significant rookie defenders in Hairston, Sanders, Walker, Hancock, and Strong. They have a new Senior Defensive Assistant and Co-Defensive Line Coach.

 

The defense was never going to hit the ground running... they are expected to improve over the course of the season.”

 

I am going to go with that perspective, at least until late October, when most of the bodies should be in the lineup. So, let’s have the Bills keep beating the weak sisters by whatever, to line up for the next formidable contest- KC. 

 

The goal is to play in Orchard Park, as #1 Seed in October.

[Westside]

25 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I will add a disclaimer to my every post that that the Bills will win 11+ games and the AFCE and be generally pleasant to watch and that’s great. 
 

But I still think there’s some other flaws to discuss.

 

Ultimately “the Bills are still really good, let’s not talk about anything negative” is not a fun or insightful conversation to have. 
 

I think folks really just view things differently. I love watching this version of the Bills and I really want them to win it all. I also love discussing players’ performances, and gleaning insight from maybe more knowledgeable folks. And really, the unfortunate part is that I think ALL viewers find it more engaging to discuss flaws vs discuss successes. 
 

If someone posts a sick Spencer Brown block, it’s awesome. It will get a bunch of likes. But there’s nothing really to say, besides “great play.”

 

If someone posts a bad rep by a DB, there will be 4 pages of whose fault was where, and what was the responsibility and the leverage and etc etc. 

 

you are kinda fighting human nature, imo.

Let’s not nit pick and focus only on the negative. Every team has up and down games.  Be happy we’re winning!!

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I will add a disclaimer to my every post that that the Bills will win 11+ games and the AFCE and be generally pleasant to watch and that’s great. 
 

But I still think there’s some other flaws to discuss.

 

Ultimately “the Bills are still really good, let’s not talk about anything negative” is not a fun or insightful conversation to have. 
 

I think folks really just view things differently. I love watching this version of the Bills and I really want them to win it all. I also love discussing players’ performances, and gleaning insight from maybe more knowledgeable folks. And really, the unfortunate part is that I think ALL viewers find it more engaging to discuss flaws vs discuss successes. 
 

If someone posts a sick Spencer Brown block, it’s awesome. It will get a bunch of likes. But there’s nothing really to say, besides “great play.”

 

If someone posts a bad rep by a DB, there will be 4 pages of whose fault was where, and what was the responsibility and the leverage and etc etc. 

 

you are kinda fighting human nature, imo.

I’m all for the negative and positive posts when they’re at least somewhat accurate but I think some of the negative stuff from years past has become cliches and they are being misused a lot of the times this year 😂. Granted that could be mostly a gameday thread issue where logic usually doesn’t prevail lol