I don't EVER want to hear ANYONE say that Lamar is better than Josh Allen EVER AGAIN!!

[Success]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yes you are correct. Most on here do. I know since I been on here every year there's seems to be at least one "Lamar Jackson really isn't " good thread. 

 

It really became a thing last year w/ both fanbases because or the MVP race.  It's silly, imo.  Both guys are simply amazing.  I don't think fans of either team would trade their guy for the other.

 

 

[Starr Almighty]

10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

That man is more than "just good". I am.not defending his playoffs stats, but down playing Lamar Jackson like he is not one of the top QBs in this league is crazy to me. What were his stats today/tonight.

Lamars stats today were 14/19 209 yards and 2 TDs

Josh Allens stats were 16/21 for 251 yds, 1 TD - In the 4Q alone

 

Any questions?

[Special K]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I don't consume enough media to know whether this is true, but from the outside this kinda looks like more crazed Rory McIlroy level obsession. 

 

I stand by my Rory McIlroy is a fraud stance!!

 

Honestly, I am looking forward to listening to the talking heads tomorrow to see how they frame the narrative about this game. I don't want to hear excuses for why the Ravens didn't win, I want to hear praise for how Josh Allen and the Bills willed themselves to a victory.

 

Go Bills!!!!!!!

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:13 AM by Special K

[Starr Almighty]

13 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

That man is more than "just good". I am.not defending his playoffs stats, but down playing Lamar Jackson like he is not one of the top QBs in this league is crazy to me. What were his stats today/tonight.

Playoffs is where it matters That's what I am saying. Great QBs show up in January.

[Ghost_002!]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

It really became a thing last year w/ both fanbases because or the MVP race.  It's silly, imo.  Both guys are simply amazing.  I don't think fans of either team would trade their guy for the other.

 

 

 

Bill Belichick f*d up big time by not drafting him.(Lamar Jackson)

[MJS]

I still think Lamar isn't an elite passer of the football. I'd take Josh Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or even Herbert over him in a situation where you are down multiple scores and need to pass yourself out of it. Jackson is an elite QB, but he doesn't have the elite passing ability. Not that he is bad. He isn't. He's a good passser. He just isn't at the level of those other guys. As a total package, he is really special, though.

[Ghost_002!]

7 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Playoffs is where it matters That's what I am saying. Great QBs show up in January.

 

I agree. I don't think it's time to start shaming him off his playoff stats just yet though. You acknowledged him as the 3rd best QB, so that's more than "just good". Just good is Geoff IMO.

 

Is he better than Allen?  Pure passer, hell no..but to me they are two very diff QBs..

Edited Monday at 06:20 AM by Ghost_002!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

I still think Lamar isn't an elite passer of the football. I'd take Josh Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or even Herbert over him in a situation where you are down multiple scores and need to pass yourself out of it. Jackson is an elite QB, but he doesn't have the elite passing ability. Not that he is bad. He isn't. He's a good passser. He just isn't at the level of those other guys. As a total package, he is really special, though.

Oh yea he’s definitely getting closer though…I almost think they just don’t go through enough adversity and they panic when their opponent is actually able to bottle up the run and get them off schedule which most of the playoff teams can..  I think he’s got the physical skill to be an elite passer now and it’s mostly a mental thing   

[Starr Almighty]

7 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I agree. I don't think it's time to start shaming him off his playoff stats just yet though. You acknowledged him as the 3rd best QB, so that's more than "just good". Just good is Geoff IMO.

 

Is he better than Allen?  Pure passer, hell no..but to me they are two very diff QBs..

I don't think he's better than Burrow myself. But that's not an insult as Burrow is a good QB. Lamar just always has a better overall team than most of the guys you are comparing him to 

Edited Monday at 06:26 AM by Starr Almighty

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Oh yea he’s definitely getting closer though…I almost think they just don’t go through enough adversity and they panic when their opponent is actually able to bottle up the run and get them off schedule which most of the playoff teams can..  I think he’s got the physical skill to be an elite passer now and it’s mostly a mental thing   

He doesn't make the wow throws. He can fire it in there and hit open receivers with the best of them. He is very accurate. But you don't see him dropping it into zones over defenders, or hitting tight windows, or throwing with great anticipation.

 

Part of it is his reliance and trust in his athleticism, I'm sure. Why make a really tough throw when you can easily scramble and pick up yardage?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

He doesn't make the wow throws. He can fire it in there and hit open receivers with the best of them. He is very accurate. But you don't see him dropping it into zones over defenders, or hitting tight windows, or throwing with great anticipation.

 

Part of it is his reliance and trust in his athleticism, I'm sure. Why make a really tough throw when you can easily scramble and pick up yardage?

Yea I could see that…when that team is rolling everyone is wide open anyway haha there’s not a lot of ways for them to get challenged much in the regular season which feels like it plays into the chokes against the bills/chiefs a bit.

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:34 AM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Ghost_002!]

11 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I don't think he's better than Burrow myself. But that's not an insult as Burrow is a good QB. Lamar just always has a better overall team than most of the guys you are comparing him to 

 

An argument could be made for Burrow. Gonna have to see how this season goes...

Edited Monday at 06:37 AM by Ghost_002!

[transplantbillsfan]

Lamar is a surefire 1st ballot HOFer.

 

But Josh is so obviously better and has been for years.

[Ray Stonada]

They both stress defenses immensely, in different ways. 

 

I don't see why people need to run down Lamar, who's obviously an incredible football player.  

 

We won, so being a sore winner is not the greatest look. 

 

 

[4th&long]

They are both great qb's, no reason to argue about it. I obviously favor Allen but If we had Lamar I would be happy. 

[WNYFAN1]

8 hours ago, Special K said:

Winners come up big in clutch situations, whereas losers come up small in clutch situations.

 

Lamar might be a good player, but when the chips are down, he always fails in the clutch. The media always coddles Lamar, but if you have eyes you can easily see who is the better player, who is the better QB, who is the MVP..........and that is Josh Freakin' Allen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Go Bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Winners come up big in clutch situations, whereas losers come up small in clutch situations."

 

Umm....

[Mister Defense]

Never have said that, never thought that, and likely never will!

 

Loved the looks on Jackson, Henry, Harbaugh and the other Ravens as Josh Allen ripped the game awayfrom them--as they knew there was likely no way to stop him and the Bills.

 

Now,  keep improving the defense, and work the young guys like dogs early in practice each week.

[finn]

9 hours ago, Special K said:

 

Or, take Henry off the Ravens, and Lamar would look average at best.

I don't know about average, but you would think more Lamar boosters would acknowledge that it makes at least a little difference to have a generational running back on your team, maybe handicap his MVP hype just a bit. Put it this way: Can you imagine Allen and Henry on the same team? 

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I was saying "rival".

No. You were saying "revival." You might have meant "rival," but in multiple posts you wrote "revival."  I know there is a math and literacy problem in school kids today but put in the hard work and you will be ok.

[Scott7975]

8 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

Bill Belichick f*d up big time by not drafting him.(Lamar Jackson)

 

They would have tried to make him a pocket passer from the get go. He wasn't a pocket passer and really still isn't but he improved quite a bit last season.  The Pats would have already kicked him to the curb. Lamar went to the perfect situation with Greg Roman and a team willing to completely build around his strengths while also having a nasty defense.

Edited Monday at 02:33 PM by Scott7975