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1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

That's a wierd article. The title is about the stadium and a patch, yet the interview is about Hailee, Josh and Snickers sauce. not one mention of the stadium or patch. Would have kinda like to see the patch. 

 

I definitely have to try those sauces. Strange combinations. 

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5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

More data....

 

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-playoffs-how-much-does-home-field-advantage-help-postseason

 

"Over the past four years, half of the No. 1 seeds have advanced to the Super Bowl, but only one — the 2022 Chiefs — has actually won, so there's an expectation of the unexpected. The last four Super Bowl champions included three teams not expected to make it past the divisional round based on seeding. Last year's Chiefs were a 3 seed, the 2021 Rams were a 4 seed, and the 2020 Bucs won as a 5 seed, winning three road games to get to the Super Bowl.

How big an advantage is home field in general? Less than you might expect. This past season, over 272 games, home teams went 145-127, which works out to a .533 winning percentage, about the same as a 9-8 team over the course of a full season. That advantage was down slightly from 2023, when NFL home teams went 151-121, good for a .555 win percentage, much like a 5-4 record.

 

In 2023, all eight NFL divisions had at least a .500 record at home, but this season, the AFC South went 14-18 at home, the NFC South went 15-21, and three other divisions were .500 at home. So in the 2024 NFL season, only three of eight divisions collectively had winning records at home."

 

There may be many other factors at work. For one, playoff games tend to have much more evenly matched teams. While during the regular season, bad teams tend to lose no matter where they play.  

 

I think it would be instructive to determine whether teams play BETTER at home or on the road.  A bad team might get killed on the road but perhaps play better (and still lose) to the same team.  

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2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I'm not sure how helpful HFA is, but it seems to help the Bills. Granted, playing the 7th seed also helps, as our home record drops to 2-2 past the WC round.

 

But I guess it's still preferable to the alternate, as we've never won a playoff game on the road yet. 

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2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I'm not sure how helpful HFA is, but it seems to help the Bills. Granted, playing the 7th seed also helps, as our home record drops to 2-2 past the WC round.

 

But I guess it's still preferable to the alternate, as we've never won a playoff game on the road yet. 

Frank Reich and the 92 team just entered the conversation

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I'm not sure how helpful HFA is, but it seems to help the Bills. Granted, playing the 7th seed also helps, as our home record drops to 2-2 past the WC round.

 

But I guess it's still preferable to the alternate, as we've never won a playoff game on the road yet. 

Frank Reich and the 92 team just entered the conversation

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I'm not sure how helpful HFA is, but it seems to help the Bills. Granted, playing the 7th seed also helps, as our home record drops to 2-2 past the WC round.

 

But I guess it's still preferable to the alternate, as we've never won a playoff game on the road yet. 

Frank Reich and the 92 team just entered the conversation

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3 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

Frank Reich and the 92 team just entered the conversation

Frank Reich and the 92 team just entered the conversation

Frank Reich and the 92 team just entered the conversation

Frank Reich and the 92 team just entered the conversation

 

I got you the first time!

 

But also, the topic is about HFA declining over the years & how it effects TODAY'S NFL.

Posted (edited)

I would think instant replay reduced the home field advantage as bad ref calls, influenced by a loud home crowd, are now mostly overturned.    
 

However, instant replay started in 1999 & it appears this lack of home field advantage is a more recent phenomena. 

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On 9/4/2025 at 11:12 AM, Talleywhacker said:

Bills 18-2 in last 20 at home. The Jets, jags, browns, Titans etc drag that % down near 50

The 1 loss against the Chiefs hurt...we would have hosted the AFCC with that win.

Posted (edited)
On 9/4/2025 at 1:12 AM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

I think this is a fascinating stat, and I'm trying to think of ideas why this happened. 

 

The best I can come up with:

 

1) Refs have improved over time and don't favor the home team as much as they used to

 

2) Home games feature a lot more visiting/neutral fans than they used to 


3) travel conditions continue to improve and be optimized. When to move the team, how to manage being away, things they bring, etc… is all much more data driven than dollar driven

 

4) teams have learned ways to better deal with noise.

 

5) visiting team conditions are much improved since the 1970s. They might not be quite as nice as home facilities but they aren’t using the janitors chemical closet as the visiting locker room, with the heat turned off 

 

id be curious how the data skews as I bet the 70-80s was much harder travel than 2020. 

28 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Home-field matters in the playoffs.

Allen 7-2 at home. 0-4 on the road. 

What’s Allen excluding say the chiefs, and his rookie season?

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On 9/4/2025 at 12:42 AM, Talleywhacker said:

Bills 18-2 in last 20 at home. The Jets, jags, browns, Titans etc drag that % down near 50

Great call out!  The bottom feeders statistically impact here. 

Posted (edited)

Not created equal…I think there are a lot of teams that have no meaningful home-field advantage: Vegas, both LA teams, Arizona, Miami, Jacksonville.  On the other hand, there are still teams like Buffalo, Denver and KC where home field is still worth a full 3 points…

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2 hours ago, NoSaint said:


3) travel conditions continue to improve and be optimized. When to move the team, how to manage being away, things they bring, etc… is all much more data driven than dollar driven

 

4) teams have learned ways to better deal with noise.

 

5) visiting team conditions are much improved since the 1970s. They might not be quite as nice as home facilities but they aren’t using the janitors chemical closet as the visiting locker room, with the heat turned off 

 

id be curious how the data skews as I bet the 70-80s was much harder travel than 2020. 

What’s Allen excluding say the chiefs, and his rookie season?


7-1 at home sans Chiefs

0-0 on road sans year 2 season


Road playoff wins:

Burrow 3-1

Mahomes 2-0

Lamar 1-2
Allen 0-4

 

Get the #1 Seed and have the easiest path to the Super Bowl. 

 

Posted
On 9/4/2025 at 12:46 PM, Logic said:

While I fully believe that -- ON AVERAGE -- that's true...

Home Field Advantage is DEFINITELY a very real thing for some teams.

The Bills were 10-0 at home last year. 3-5 on the road.

Chiefs, Ravens, Seahawks...

There are absolutely some teams in this league (and the Bills are one of them) for whom home field advantage matters.

If the Bills practiced more in the cold weather, they could maximize the advantage somewhat more.  Used to bwe the cold weather environment was a clear buffalo advantage.  (except against other cold weather teams )  McD doesn't do much outside, spend the practice time inside installing the weeks plans.  Thats ok, but really gotta do both.

Posted
4 hours ago, NoSaint said:


3) travel conditions continue to improve and be optimized. When to move the team, how to manage being away, things they bring, etc… is all much more data driven than dollar driven

 

The game against Jacksonville in Europe two years ago  is a perfect example of acclimatization to the location giving a huge advantage.   The Jax were there for two weeks...the bills landed 2 days before the game.  They took a beating

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