Gabe Davis signing with the Bills (going to practice squad)

[dcinmuncie]

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Younger than Tremaine Edmunds too!

Lies

 

no one is younger than him 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he is a better option than Moore and possibly Samuel if he can't get on the field. I think Shavers is mainly there to play teams. So maybe he is a tad safer. 

I think Moore and Samuel are interchangeable with complimentary negatives.  Samuel can't stay healthy and Moore can't be consistent. Give it a few games and see what shakes out.  My hunch is Moore makes a few plays and McD grows tired of Samuel and they injury settlement him by mid-October. I like Moore as a better all around WR in case Shakir misses any time.  But that is just a hunch. 

 

I know Shavers is the feel good story of camp.  I would love to see a few deep shots called up for him when the defense is keying on Kincaid, Coleman, and Palmer.  Give him a chance to produce.  If not send him back to the PS and let Davis have a few chances.  

[Royale with Cheese]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Not sure how many #4-5 WRs put up 850 yards and average 17.5 YPC, but sure...I guess maybe in Wonderland they do.

 

 

A lot of #4 WR have unreliable hands, average about 35 receptions a year on average and that’s what Gabe is….

 

Someone broke down Gabes 2022 “monster” season of 800+ yards….roughly 50% of his yardage came in 4 games.

FYI, he had more games with under 20 yards than he had over 100 yards receiving.  7 games under 40 yards receiving.  He was a non factor the majority of the season.

 

Edited September 3 by Royale with Cheese

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

Hope not. But we’ll have to see how well Moore does with Josh in a couple actual games. He’s the only real separator we have right now. I’d be all about Gabe taking Samuels spot since Gabe is an actual WR, even if he’s not the most sure handed 

Samuel is a WR.  His only problem is injury.  He may not be worth his contract, but he contributed in some of the biggest games last year. Not splashy numbers as some like to point out, but he made some clutch plays.  
 

Moore, imo, is the guy that has to make some plays in the first month or he may end up hitting the bricks.  He could be one or two drops from not having a job.  

[Sierra Foothills]

10 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Faster than Keon Coleman 

 

10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Younger than Tremaine Edmunds too!

 

But he didn't go to Harvard.

 

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Well, Beane did try to sign Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis to the practice squad but turns out theyre under contract with the Eagles, so... 🤷‍♂️

 

You have your facts mixed up... after signing Jordan Poyer and Jordan Phillips, Beane then attempted to sign Jordan Mills and Jordan Palmer but Pegula nixed the plan. It hasn't come out yet but the team is very concerned with Beane's mental competency. He's starting to do some very silly things... the Davis signing the most recent.

 

Did anyone see Beane's maniacal laugh on his recent podcast appearance?

 

He's cracking up.

 

9 hours ago, H2o said:

Where is the harm.in signing him to the PS? Not the 53, the PS. 

 

Apparently there's what can only be described as a phobia, that he'll somehow ascend to the 53.

 

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I'd say it's more when Gabe is on the field AND Dorsey is the OC. That trio together fed each other's worst instincts. All of those option routes combined with a bombs away passing offense were just an awful combination. As soon as Brady took over in 2023 Davis stopped being a problem. The reads in Brady's offense are simpler on the QB and on the WRs. On calling low probability passes he is at the complete opposite end of the spectrum compared to Dorsey, for better or worse.

 

Not that I ever again want Davis to become a key feature of this passing offense. But if he ends up as our WR 4 or 5 I don't expect that to wreck Allen's game. He'll be used as Brady used him in 2023 which was as a low target WR who did a lot of blocking and ran a lot of clear out routes.

 

Hear and heed! (great post)

 

1 hour ago, dcinmuncie said:

Lies

 

no one is younger than Tremaine 

 

[Richard Noggin]

Ideally, the Bills PS this year is well suited to BOTH a) contribute weekly to the preparation of starters and coaches, and also b) fill in at a replacement level for a week or two late in the season when a particular position group or two come down with the injury bug. Can't have any more guys putting off an RV trip to instead suit up against an HOF HC, QB, and TE trio in the playoffs. (Would a Ciarlo or a Jenkins represent upgrades to a retired AJ Klein in a playoff pinch after their full seasons in the program on the practice squad? Would Dane Jackson or Jalen Kimber outplay Elam from the AFCCG? *personally I think Ingram would have (?) and still could...)

[Big Turk]

42 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A lot of #4 WR have unreliable hands, incoyand average about 35 receptions a year on average and that’s what Gabe is….

 

Someone broke down Gabes 2022 “monster” season of 800+ yards….roughly 50% of his yardage came in 4 games.

FYI, he had more games with under 20 yards than he had over 100 yards receiving.  7 games under 40 yards receiving.  He was a non factor the majority of the season.

 

 

Except in the playoffs where he goes off?

[Since1981]

1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said:

I'm still pissed that they let Hollins go to the Pats. He was so much better than Gabe last year. 

Can we trade WR 6,7,8+Gabe for Hollis? Throw in a mini might secondary. 
I’m no NFL scout or coach…but, seriously, Gabe?

[Jon in Pasadena]

7 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

 

Great minds thinking alike, 🤣

He played a lot of tennis? 

 

🤣

 

Weirdly, his game scores never changed from Love-Love 😇

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think that depends on how literally the Depth Chart is taken. Elijah Moore is listed as a Slot.

 

If his role on the team is mainly that, I don't know that's the role Gabe would play.

 

Though I suppose Samuel could pick up the slack (as I doubt he'll be strictly on the Outside) alongside some slot reps for Coleman.

 

Yea that's my take they have plenty of options in the slot. I honestly don't know how much Moore is gonna play. I thinknafter a strong spring he disappeared in camp and if he can't work his way onto the field some then 4, 5, 6 weeks down the line I can well imagine them considering him expendable.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A lot of #4 WR have unreliable hands, incoyand average about 35 receptions a year on average and that’s what Gabe is….

 

Someone broke down Gabes 2022 “monster” season of 800+ yards….roughly 50% of his yardage came in 4 games.

FYI, he had more games with under 20 yards than he had over 100 yards receiving.  7 games under 40 yards receiving.  He was a non factor the majority of the season.

 

 

Welcome to the world of #2 / #3 receivers in the NFL. That is the kind of story for most. 

 

Take Jameson Williams - who is much more talented than Gabe to be clear - broke out last year with his first 1,000 yard season (1,001 yards to be exact). Just shy of 40% of that production came in 3 games and he had 5 games under 40 yards.

 

It's sort of par for the course for 2nd and 3rd option type guys. 

 

I don't think Gabe is ever gonna put up 1,000 yards.... but fully healthy he can put up 500 plus even if that is likely to be inconsitently spread through the season. 

 

The people acting like he is a scrub who can't play are way over the top. He isn't and never was, a difference maker. But he can play in the NFL. I think he had proven that more than some guys on our roster.

[dcinmuncie]

So since we are putting the greatest hits of 2021 on the practice squad, when does Stefon diggs get added ?

[NeverOutNick]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Samuel is a WR.  His only problem is injury.  He may not be worth his contract, but he contributed in some of the biggest games last year. Not splashy numbers as some like to point out, but he made some clutch plays.  
 

Moore, imo, is the guy that has to make some plays in the first month or he may end up hitting the bricks.  He could be one or two drops from not having a job.  

Neither is safe imo and I don’t agree with you on Samuel because I’ve never seen him at any point in his career as more than a gadget player. IMO the only reason he’s still on the roster is because of his contract. Hopefully I’m wrong and he’s a big contributor this year. I want all of our receivers to succeed but if I’m being honest it’s still the weakest part of our offense with mostly JAGs when compared to the other top teams in the league who replenish through the draft as we overpay for retreads or plug in castaways from other teams squads.

 

I like to picture what Josh could have with an FO who prioritized the position. Imagine 2 years ago we saw BT jr fall in the draft and traded up a couple spots for him instead of trading back for Coleman (who I hope is awesome). Maybe we lose out on Dwayne Carter (3rd rounder) to move up those spots but that’s alright and then this year instead of trading up in round 2 for another D lineman  hopeful (sanders) we traded up another couple spots for Luther Burden. Man what a sick WR corps we’d have developing for Josh to count on in clutch moments against the chiefs in the playoffs when he needs a guy to get separation and actually make a play. 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Except in the playoffs where he goes off?

In 7 playoff games, Gabe Davis averages  55 yards and 3 catches.  Just under 50% of his offensive production was in one game.  2 out of his last 3 playoff games….zero burger.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Welcome to the world of #2 / #3 receivers in the NFL. That is the kind of story for most. 

 

Take Jameson Williams - who is much more talented than Gabe to be clear - broke out last year with his first 1,000 yard season (1,001 yards to be exact). Just shy of 40% of that production came in 3 games and he had 5 games under 40 yards.

 

It's sort of par for the course for 2nd and 3rd option type guys. 

 

I don't think Gabe is ever gonna put up 1,000 yards.... but fully healthy he can put up 500 plus even if that is likely to be inconsitently spread through the season. 

 

The people acting like he is a scrub who can't play are way over the top. He isn't and never was, a difference maker. But he can play in the NFL. I think he had proven that more than some guys on our roster.

I don’t believe I said he is a scrub.  I think he has value but at the #4 spot.

 

Jameson missed majority of his rookie year due to injury and then was suspended in the early part of his second year.  
 

The issue with Davis is he is a non factor way too many times….look at his game logs.  Like you said, its spread inconsistently throughout the season….but its very top heavy loaded.  A few really, really good games to skew his overall numbers.

[RoscoeParrish]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A lot of #4 WR have unreliable hands, average about 35 receptions a year on average and that’s what Gabe is….

 

Someone broke down Gabes 2022 “monster” season of 800+ yards….roughly 50% of his yardage came in 4 games.

FYI, he had more games with under 20 yards than he had over 100 yards receiving.  7 games under 40 yards receiving.  He was a non factor the majority of the season.

 

A lot of this stuff describes our WR2 last year, FWIW.

 

less than 35 receptions, check.

50% of yardage in 4 games, check.

more games under 20 than over 100, check.

7 games under 40 yards receiving, check.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I don’t believe I said he is a scrub.  I think he has value but at the #4 spot.

 

Jameson missed majority of his rookie year due to injury and then was suspended in the early part of his second year.  
 

The issue with Davis is he is a non factor way too many times….look at his game logs.  Like you said, its spread inconsistently throughout the season….but its very top heavy loaded.  A few really, really good games to skew his overall numbers.

 

Yes and in his third year had a thousand yards, just shy of 400 of them in 3 games with 5 games under 40. That is the point. #2 and #3 options in the NFL often have their production spread unevenly and are more gameplan dependent. That is just the NFL and is true even of really, really good #2 options like Jameson Williams. 

 

You are not wrong about Gabe's production being unevenly spread. It just isn't really proof of anything. That is kind of how the league is.

 

EDIT: want some other examples?

 

Jaylen Waddle in 2024: 744 yards, 47% of them in three games;

Jaylen Waddle in 2023: 1014 yards, 38% of them in three games;

Tee Higgins in 2023: 656 yards, 51% of them in three games;

Tee Higgins in 2024: 911 yards, 40% of them in three games;

 

To be absolutely crystal clear I am NOT comparing Gabe to them in terms of talent, there is no comparison. They are among the best three or four #2s in football. What I am demonstrating is that production as a #2 and #3 receiver is often inconsistent week to week and it more "mountains and valleys" than you typically find with a #1 option. That's because of gameplan. You always try and feature your best guy, whatever the matchup, but with your complimentary pieces you maximise their opportunities some weeks (let's say against a team whose plan is just to double your #1 all day long) and other weeks you might want to use them to dictate coverage or run decoy routes or block for your run game or whatever the situation requires. 

 

Edited September 3 by GunnerBill

[uticaclub]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Except in the playoffs where he goes off?

People forget how many injuries KC & how poor that defense was. People love to bring up Benford getting hurt in a game but never Honey Badger.

[boyst]

10 hours ago, NoSaint said:

One of my least favorite moves in awhile. 

Once upon a time I was in the bad WR2 good WR4 camp

 

 I’ve aged into him being a bad wr that Josh made look like a passable wr4

 

If that’s true I’d rather just have a new guy in the room that won’t come with history

 

 

surprised to hear you say this. you're generally a realizstic optomistic.

 

you don't think he could come in and be a factor for a game or two as a #4? 

 

in the days of Beasley, Diggs, and more McKenzie was the perfect off the bench player, Sanders was the ideal veteran #3, and Davis should have been the ideal #4.

 

Davis is now where he has always belonged - on the bench as a #4 WR or pressed into rotational play as a #3 depth player.

[RoscoeParrish]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes and in his third year had a thousand yards, just shy of 400 of them in 3 games with 5 games under 40. That is the point. #2 and #3 options in the NFL often have their production spread unevenly and are more gameplan dependent. That is just the NFL and is true even of really, really good #2 options like Jameson Williams. 

 

You are not wrong about Gabe's production being unevenly spread. It just isn't really proof of anything. That is kind of how the league is.

 

EDIT: want some other examples?

 

Jaylen Waddle in 2024: 744 yards, 47% of them in three games;

Jaylen Waddle in 2023: 1014 yards, 38% of them in three games;

Tee Higgins in 2023: 656 yards, 51% of them in three games;

Tee Higgins in 2024: 911 yards, 40% of them in three games;

 

To be absolutely crystal clear I am NOT comparing Gabe to them in terms of talent, there is no comparison. They are among the best three or four #2s in football. What I am demonstrating is that production as a #2 and #3 receiver is often inconsistent week to week and it more "mountains and valleys" than you typically find with a #1 option. 

 

100%.

 

I would also add that’s why having a dependable slot threat is valuable. 

 

You want the guys who can produce the peaks, but sometimes you need the routine 4-6 catches for 40-60 yards to offset their valley’s.

 

If Gabe was able to get 60 YPG rain or shine, he wouldn’t be a 2 or 3 or 4. He’d be a low end 1.