Fake Tush Push

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Sort of curious how the Bills run their tush push this year given how it petered out against KC, and also whether there might be some variations and trick plays from it.

 

For example, not sure many people saw this, but New Mexico pulled off one of the best fake tush push plays I have seen on Saturday. 
 

 

[Brand J]

That was legitimately pretty.
 

I think one thing Brady can take from the KC game is to have wrinkles out of the sneak, or other options he can turn to. He had all off season to agonize over it, so hopefully going forward if the opposing team stops it once or twice, he’ll have something else to pull from his bag of tricks instead of stubbornly calling the same play because it had worked throughout the season.

[chris heff]

Putting the ball on the ground is dangerous, not sure that would work in the NFL, but there has to be a version of the fake that would work.

[hondo in seattle]

Just having some variants/fakes of the tush push would maybe stop our opponents from committing all out to defending the tush push, thus making the tush push more successful. 

 

Though it's already highly successful.  

[Draconator]

It's against Michigan. It doesn't count. 

[K-9]

There was no tush pushing happening on that play. It was a fake QB keeper. Nice play nonetheless.

[Bills!Win!]

All we had to do in the AFCG was go right on the sneak. We had been going left all year long: why not change it up to fake them out? 

[boater]

Josh always goes to the left on the tush push. Defenses prepare for it. The Bills went 0-4 for the tush push in the AFCCG.

 

If he could occasionally go right this season, that would be of benefit.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

51 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Putting the ball on the ground is dangerous, not sure that would work in the NFL, but there has to be a version of the fake that would work.

The announcers suggested that was a bad snap. But I believe it was intentional otherwise it would have been an illegal snap (since the QB was under center). 

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

The announcers suggested that was a bad snap. But I believe it was intentional otherwise it would have been an illegal snap (since the QB was under center). 

I don’t understand, is it illegal to snap the ball to a running back if the QB is under center? But if you squib it on the ground it’s okay?

[Gunner]

2 hours ago, Brand J said:

That was legitimately pretty.
 

I think one thing Brady can take from the KC game is to have wrinkles out of the sneak, or other options he can turn to. He had all off season to agonize over it, so hopefully going forward if the opposing team stops it once or twice, he’ll have something else to pull from his bag of tricks instead of stubbornly calling the same play because it had worked throughout the season.

How about having a big offensive player behind him instead of a small receiver? Oh, and run the play to the right once instead of always to the left.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Sort of curious how the Bills run their tush push this year given how it petered out against KC, and also whether there might be some variations and trick plays from it.

 

For example, not sure many people saw this, but New Mexico pulled off one of the best fake tush push plays I have seen on Saturday. 
 

 

I saw that and my first thought was, WTH didn't Brady call something like this in the AFCCG when we were getting stuffed?

[chris heff]

I’ve always wondered about a pitch to the RB.

[transient]

1 hour ago, boater said:

Josh always goes to the left on the tush push. Defenses prepare for it. The Bills went 0-4 for the tush push in the AFCCG.

 

If he could occasionally go right this season, that would be of benefit.

Did they, though?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

I don’t understand, is it illegal to snap the ball to a running back if the QB is under center? But if you squib it on the ground it’s okay?

I believe if the QB is under center, then you have to snap it to him.
 

I am no rules expert, But I am assuming if the ball hits the ground first, it’s treated more like a fumble/live ball rather than a snap.
 

I would like to hear the experts explain it.

 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I believe if the QB is under center, then you have to snap it to him.
 

I am no rules expert, But I am assuming if the ball hits the ground first, it’s treated more like a fumble/live ball rather than a snap.
 

I would like to hear the experts explain it.

 

I don't believe there is anything in the rule book that specifies that

Edited September 1 by Buffalo716

[Mikie2times]

We ran this play when I was in high school and I caught about a 30 yard post off it. Really neat seeing it used outside of that situation. 

 

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

That was legitimately pretty.
 

I think one thing Brady can take from the KC game is to have wrinkles out of the sneak, or other options he can turn to. He had all off season to agonize over it, so hopefully going forward if the opposing team stops it once or twice, he’ll have something else to pull from his bag of tricks instead of stubbornly calling the same play because it had worked throughout the season.

I have wanted to see the fake QB sneak swing pass, ala Willis McGahee. I think we have actually tried that. But when it works it's a house call. Also wouldn't mind seeing some jet sweep action out of that, I figure you would have to hand it off behind you, which makes it a little more dangerous. That said I don't think we need to complicate this. If we get signs that team is really penetrating on that play, let Josh have it out of the gun. Force them to respect the pass. He is so dangerous on short yardage out shotgun. It's how we beat KC in the regular season game at the end. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't believe there is anything in the rule book that specifies that

Thanks. I wonder if I am thinking of the rule where the QB lines up under center, no one else can do so on that play?  

[Buffalo716]

14 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Thanks. I wonder if I am thinking of the rule where the QB lines up under center, no one else can do so on that play?  

Well under the rules.. let's say a quarterback lines up under center 

 

With a tail back behind him in single back 

 

Everybody is set... Then they do an offensive shift.. and the quarterback goes to tailback and the tailback goes under center... Another pause to get set 

 

Tailback hikes the ball and does a sneak.. I don't think that would be illegal

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, transient said:

Did they, though?

I know what you are saying but they did also convert one.   Barely