Keon Coleman- Predict how you will feel about Keon Coleman after the 2025 season.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Ok, but it is clear the better the running game, the more successful the Bills have been. 

 

After the Tampa Loss, when they were 7-6, McDermott (supposedly) put the hammer down, and Daboll ran and ran for the rest of the season, like he meant it, and they did not lose a game to end the season.  Then, with Dismal Dorsey, well the running game became an afterthought, struck no fear in no one, and was fired.  What did Brady do? Ran the stuffing out of the ball, and the Bills, struggling to stay in the playoff hunt before then, became dominant.

 

And then last year, we all saw what a high quality running game, from the beginning of the season to the end, meant to this offense.

 

So if you want a better offense, pray for an even better running game this year and you will get your wish.

 

If you want Josh Allen to just throw more because you like that, think it should happen, then you will likely get a lot more passing yards--and a much less effective offense. And less wins.  I am praying that the Bills never do that again under Allen.

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure of your point in bold above-?

 

The Bills had that great thing?  "Relied heavily"-??

My point is it's unusual to score that many point while gaining the yardage we did last season 

 

And that the reason for that was a confluence of best in league history negative play rate from the QB spot on top of the fewest turnovers from a team, ever

 

So the people saying 'oh we'll just do that again!' probably don't realize what they're saying

[Mister Defense]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

My point is it's unusual to score that many point while gaining the yardage we did last season 

 

And that the reason for that was a confluence of best in league history negative play rate from the QB spot on top of the fewest turnovers from a team, ever

 

So the people saying 'oh we'll just do that again!' probably don't realize what they're saying

 

When a team has that stat, the best in league history at negative plays, are you saying it is more or less luck, and not a productive of a high level offense, in coaching, talent, and scheme?  It seems to me that the would be a hallmark of a great, prepared, know what they are doing extremely well offense--that they make very few mistakes.

 

And I am certain that the vast majority of people saying that the Bills will do that (score like maniacs, break team records again, and maybe league records) again this upcoming season, are not saying it based on that more obscure data point, that most have not even heard of, but instead on the high level functioning of MANY aspects of the offense.

 

You have reduced things to such a simplistic level they make no sense.

 

 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

When a team has that stat, the best in league history at negative plays, are you saying it is more or less luck, and not a productive of a high level offense, in coaching, talent, and scheme?  It seems to me that the would be a hallmark of a great, prepared, know what they are doing extremely well offense--that they make very few mistakes.

 

And I am certain that the vast majority of people saying that the Bills will do that (score like maniacs, break team records again, and maybe league records) again this upcoming season, are not saying it based on that more obscure data point, that most have not even heard of, but instead on the high level functioning of MANY aspects of the offense.

 

You have reduced things to such a simplistic level they make no sense.

 

 

no

 

the simplistic take is '2024 points scored=efficient offense' ^y -->2025-'26

 

or 'high level functioning of many offensive aspects' which is just words. that is the reduction

 

what i am saying is you need to look at 2024points scored*(negative play rate+turnover variance)/yards gained and ask yourself how likely that rate is to be duplicated or even approached in successive seasons...the answer is not very

 

yards and yardage differentials are more predictive than points because they're relatively stable 

 

 

 

 

[Mister Defense]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

no

 

the simplistic take is '2024 points scored=efficient offense' ^y -->2025-'26

 

or 'high level functioning of many offensive aspects' which is just words. that is the reduction

 

what i am saying is you need to look at 2024points scored*(negative play rate+turnover variance)/yards gained and ask yourself how likely that rate is to be duplicated or even approached in successive seasons...the answer is not very

 

yards and yardage differentials are more predictive than points because they're relatively stable 

 

 

 

Well, we will see starting in a bout a week now...

 

But I think that the sharpness of this offense, the cohesion in areas such as the offensive line, the increased leadership and communication of our QB, the coaching, and the game planning  etcetera  are why this offense had so few turnovers and other mistakes this past year. It was no fluke, and luck was not the root cause of that, but high level execution was.

 

It was functioning at a very high level because of the players and coaches.

 

It is likely to be similar again this year. They may not have that same historically low number of mistakes, but the offense will be even more dominant regardless.

 

As the same coaches and players who made it a great offense last year, the most efficient in the game, and the offense with the fewest mistakes because of that, are here again next year.  And with another year under their belts, it gets even better this year. 

 

I think that is the way to look at that stat, but we will both see soon!

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

19.2 in regular season, but caught only 29 passes. This low number allows his average to be weighted disproportionally by a few long receptions (he had 2 games with only 1 catch, but for 49 and 64 yards, respectively).  Of all receivers who caught at least 32 passes last year, only 1 (Pierce, IND) averaged more than 17.3YPC.

 

Coleman is unlikely to match that if he is targeted more.

 

It's the Khalil Shakir breakout argument all over again.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

My point is it's unusual to score that many point while gaining the yardage we did last season 

 

And that the reason for that was a confluence of best in league history negative play rate from the QB spot on top of the fewest turnovers from a team, ever

 

So the people saying 'oh we'll just do that again!' probably don't realize what they're saying

 

They also got very few negative run plays. Even when they had a busted block and a guy got immediate penetration into the backfield Cook was pretty good and getting back to the line or falling forward for a yard. 

 

It's a reality that the Bills were exceptionally good last year at not getting behind the sticks. I like Brady I think he is a smart coordinator but it remains to be seen how this offense looks if playing from 2nd and long and 3rd and long became a much more regular occurance.  

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They also got very few negative run plays. Even when they had a busted block and a guy got immediate penetration into the backfield Cook was pretty good and getting back to the line or falling forward for a yard. 

 

It's a reality that the Bills were exceptionally good last year at not getting behind the sticks. I like Brady I think he is a smart coordinator but it remains to be seen how this offense looks if playing from 2nd and long and 3rd and long became a much more regular occurance.  

yes, i believe tendencies like success rate are stable or reasonably stable

 

but something like fumble recovery data for example...we were incredibly lucky last season recovering our own fumbles. and there's zero positive correlation between a team's ability to do that from year to year. so we will regress there. along w the other unlikely to be duplicated rates i mentioned earlier

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

yes, i believe tendencies like success rate are stable or reasonably stable

 

but something like fumble recovery data for example...we were incredibly lucky last season recovering our own fumbles. and there's zero positive correlation between a team's ability to do that from year to year. so we will regress there. along w the other unlikely to be duplicated rates i mentioned earlier

 

Yea. We definitely got some bounces on our own fumbles. I think it is perfectly conceivable that our giveaway total doubles in 2025 from a low of 8. 

[Brandon]

I'm not sure.  Is he closer to the player from the first half of last year or the second half?   

 

40 receptions,  500 yards,  4 TDs.  

[Dunkirk Donski]

He’s prolly lost a step from last year

[Maine-iac]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. We definitely got some bounces on our own fumbles. I think it is perfectly conceivable that our giveaway total doubles in 2025 from a low of 8. 

I thought that sounded really high and therefore no way it could be true but we certainly could double last years TO's.  Looking at it statistically we turned the ball over well over 20 times every season before Brady took over so even if we did actually double the turnovers from last year it would still be significantly less than we used to turn the ball over.  I'd like to think Brady's offensive philosophy and design will keep Allen from going back to the 15 plus interceptions but I could certainly see us having more than two fumbles lost on the year.  I think last year was a beginning of a complete rebuild on the defense.  I'm hoping our draft and FA signings show some returns which helps keep us grinding the clock with 4th quarter leads. 

Edited August 31 by Maine-iac

[GASabresIUFan]

62 catches 1029 yards 6 TDs

[DCofNC]

I still think Brandon Marshall is his ceiling and Gabe Davis is his floor, so I’m hoping to see more towards the high end this year, but I’ll take Gabe Davis with hands and no option routes.

[Sierra Foothills]

On 8/29/2025 at 4:44 PM, HOUSE said:

4.61

 

11 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I still think Brandon Marshall is his ceiling and Gabe Davis is his floor, so I’m hoping to see more towards the high end this year, but I’ll take Gabe Davis with hands and no option routes.

 

Here are the 40 times of some big wideouts... most of whom are having or had, successful careers:

 

Eric Moulds NA

Jerry Rice 4.71

Keenan Allen 4.71 (Pro Day)

Anquan Boldin 4.71

Devin Funchess 4.70

Terrell Owens 4.63

Larry Fitzgerald 4.63

Cooper Kupp 4.62

Kelvin Benjamin 4.61

Allen Robinson 4.60

Tee Higgins 4.59

Plaxico Burress 4.59

 

Also don't forget that Keon reached a top speed of 20.36 mph during the gauntlet drill, the fastest speed by any receiver over the last three seasons including 2025. He was a mile per hour faster than Rome Odunze (4.45).

 

Speed aside, remember that that before the draft, Josh Allen texted to Keon, "You're the guy I want." To say that Josh is invested in seeing Keon succeed is probably an understatement.

 

Finally I think anyone that's been around athletics can see that Coleman is an Alpha. I think he's gonna be a team captain someday and he brings a toughness and attitude to this team.

 

Edited August 31 by Sierra Foothills

[Boatdrinks]

11 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Well, we will see starting in a bout a week now...

 

But I think that the sharpness of this offense, the cohesion in areas such as the offensive line, the increased leadership and communication of our QB, the coaching, and the game planning  etcetera  are why this offense had so few turnovers and other mistakes this past year. It was no fluke, and luck was not the root cause of that, but high level execution was.

 

It was functioning at a very high level because of the players and coaches.

 

It is likely to be similar again this year. They may not have that same historically low number of mistakes, but the offense will be even more dominant regardless.

 

As the same coaches and players who made it a great offense last year, the most efficient in the game, and the offense with the fewest mistakes because of that, are here again next year.  And with another year under their belts, it gets even better this year. 

 

I think that is the way to look at that stat, but we will both see soon!

 

 

Functioning at a high level is great, but we must be realistic. The team lost something like 2 fumbles last season. Fumbles are a bit fluky of a stat- they tend to even out a bit more as the ball takes funny bounces. It’s not a stat I would expect to be duplicated , or even close really. This definitely could lead to a few more L’s. As you stated , we will see. 

[HOUSE]

6 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

Here are the 40 times of some big wideouts... most of whom are having or had, successful careers:

 

Eric Moulds N/A

Keenan Allen 4.71 (Pro Day)

Anquan Boldin 4.71

Devin Funchess 4.70

Terrell Owens 4.63

Larry Fitzgerald 4.63

Cooper Kupp 4.62

Kelvin Benjamin 4.61

Allen Robinson 4.60

Tee Higgins 4.59

Plaxico Burress 4.59

 

Also don't forget that Keon reached a top speed of 20.36 mph during the gauntlet drill, the fastest speed by any receiver over the last three seasons including 2025. He was a mile per hour faster than Rome Odunze (4.45).

 

Speed aside, remember that that before the draft, Josh Allen texted to Keon, "You're the guy I want." To say that Josh is invested in seeing Keon succeed is probably an understatement.

 

Finally I think anyone that's been around athletics can see that Coleman is an Alpha. I think he's gonna be a team captain someday and he brings a toughness and attitude to this team.

 

Jerry Rice 4.71

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

In my opinion he's either going to be great or bad, which is probably predictable. 1000+ yards or bust...the talent is there, and according to camp reports so is the effort. Shall be fun to see.

[Captain Hindsight]

On 8/29/2025 at 5:46 PM, Andrew Son said:

He’s a hot name in fantasy circles, for what that’s worth 

Kind of random, but I was watching some cooking show the other day and at the end of the episode they brought in “NFL Legend” Robert Royal 😂 

13 hours ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

He’s prolly lost a step from last year

Going backwards now 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Kind of random, but I was watching some cooking show the other day and at the end of the episode they brought in “NFL Legend” Robert Royal 😂 

 

 

Are you sure it was a cooking show? It sounds more like The Twilight Zone. 

[Captain Hindsight]

54 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Are you sure it was a cooking show? It sounds more like The Twilight Zone. 

It was kitchen nightmares, so kind of both