Game week thread - Ravens at Bills SNF

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Being pessimistic about one game is just being realistic, not delusional. If Benford and White are out, it is going to be extremely tough to win this one. Add in the doubts about the 2 safeties and a new Dline just adds to the reality of the situation. I still believe this team has what it takes to get to the Super Bowl, but it's going to take a bit to get this defense to where it needs to be.

 

Look at the Ravens last season; they turned around their whole defense towards the end of the season and caught fire in the playoffs.

None of us who are trying to talk some of yall off the ledge would be surprised if we lost.  
 

Gun to my head, I’d probably take the Ravens because we do have a ton of unproven guys that will be playing a lot of snaps on Sunday Night… Walker, Sanders, Jackson or Solomon, Bishop, Coleman, Kincaid etc., along with CB2 being an injury concern.  
 

That said.. Ravens are down Likely, maybe Ricard and we’re playing at home.   Last home opener ever at the current stadium. 
 

We also have no idea what this team is schematically.   Elite OL, Josh Allen, expected improvement at WR with guys who can get open and Brady with another full offseason.  Tons of continuity on Offense. 
 

On Defense, while the young guys could struggle, they also might be ready.  Maybe we did finally hit on DL in Sanders and Walker.  Maybe Bishop does make a Bernard type jump.   
 

What does our Defense look like schematically?   Reports from practice are that this is a very aggressive defense.  What does that mean?  How does that impact the Ravens.   What does our starting DL look like with a healthy Bosa?

 

Ravens don’t seem to have all those questions, so I get it.. but some of these posts are downright comical. 
 

 

Edited September 4 by SCBills

[Process]

33 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Being pessimistic about one game is just being realistic, not delusional. If Benford and White are out, it is going to be extremely tough to win this one. Add in the doubts about the 2 safeties and a new Dline just adds to the reality of the situation. I still believe this team has what it takes to get to the Super Bowl, but it's going to take a bit to get this defense to where it needs to be.

 

Look at the Ravens last season; they turned around their whole defense towards the end of the season and caught fire in the playoffs.

Ok bro 👍

 

Saying the Bills are hopeless in this game is delusional 

 

And we have zero reason to believe that both White and Benford are missing this game

[boyst]

49 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I have not felt this hopeless about a game since the first KC playoff game 4 years ago. I still think they win the division and host a playoff game, but man, I am fully prepared to lose by 10 and then regroup the rest of the season.

I am not concerned with a loss because the bigger picture.

 

Find the losses:

Ravens

@jets

dolphins

Saints

Patriots 

@falcons

@panthwrs

Chiefs

@dolphins

Bucs

@texans

@Steelers

Bengals

@patriots

Browns

Eagles

Jets

 

Worst case? Ravens, Chiefs, eagles, Bengals, 5th loss (bucs, Texans)...  6 losses is hard to believe.

 

Find the losses for ravens:

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Browns

Lions

@chiefs

Texans

Rams

Bears

@dolphins

@vikings

@Browns 

Jets

Bengals

Steelers

Patriots

@packers

@steelers

 

Losses: Chiefs, Bengals/browns/Steelers (they'll lose 2 games in division), Texans or patriots...beating them is important but the Ravens always find a slump. They don't ever play the dolphins well, also. I can see 5-6 losses there. The Patriots will get better and play tough as the season goes on.

[BuffaloBaumer]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Ok bro 👍

 

Saying the Bills are hopeless in this game is delusional 

 

And we have zero reason to believe that both White and Benford are missing this game

Not your bro first. Second, I said it feels hopeless to me, not that the Bills are hopeless. 

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Its likely a typo on websites -  but if you go to official injury report on the Bills and Ravens websites, Keon is not listed

I was texting my wife to say I love you and somehow it sent as "Keon Coleman Groin". Those crazy typos. 

Edited September 4 by Goin Breakdown

[NewEra]

54 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Being pessimistic about one game is just being realistic, not delusional. If Benford and White are out, it is going to be extremely tough to win this one. Add in the doubts about the 2 safeties and a new Dline just adds to the reality of the situation. I still believe this team has what it takes to get to the Super Bowl, but it's going to take a bit to get this defense to where it needs to be.

 

Look at the Ravens last season; they turned around their whole defense towards the end of the season and caught fire in the playoffs.

Using the word “hopeless” 

 

I don’t think Benford is trending towards being out, do you?  So if Benford plays and White is out will you still feel “hopeless” as you said?

 

I too, think that the ravens have the edge and I’m not going to be (very) upset if we lose.  Baltimore has a great team and we will lose a few games this season.  Losing to a great team in week one doesn’t say much about our chances to win the SB.  

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Assuming Benford plays..

 

The hope is probably this:

 

Our ends have to contain rush on Lamar and set the edge against the run.   The good thing is Bosa & Rousseau are elite run defenders and Epenesa/Jackson both have frames to do the above. 
 

Walker & Sanders have to be ready from jump.  Nothing more needs to be said.  Oliver & Jones should be fine but we’re going to need our two rookies to be ready to step up out the gate. 
 

Milano, Bernard and Johnson along with Williams all have to stay healthy this game and make an impact.  Reason to believe they can. Especially with no Likely and if Ricard doesn’t play (Would help Taron a lot). 
 

Benford & Rapp need to stabilize the secondary and we’ll need Bishop & whoever plays CB2 to be serviceable, at least. 
 

Honestly, I think it all comes down to the DL.  We don’t know what this starting line looks like with Bosa.  Does his presence also help level up Oliver and Rousseau?  Then we need our rookies to make an impact out the gate.  If they can.. we’re in this.. if not.. our rotation will get eaten up and it will

stress our back seven a ton. 

Good analysis. I agree with your post. I just think it's a huge ask and unlikely to expect two rookies to have a significant impact. It's far more likely that they are liabilities due to their lack of experience. 

 

Like I've reinterated the path to a Bills victory is pretty narrow. Sure they can win and I hope they do. 

 

I think the Bills offense will have to make some explosive plays, control the ball, stretch the field, and have 1 or less turnovers. The crowd will be loud but not as advantageous or helpful as other games. The Ravens know what to expect and will be prepared. 

 

The Bills defense will likely get shredded. I don't see a viable or realistic path to their success. The Ravens have a path to run all over the Bills or be successful passing due to the Bills secondary injuries. I do believe your above explanation is unrealistic. (No offense.) I think the defense needs to be stout in the red zone, prevent TDs, give up mostly field goals, force a couple of turnovers, and maybe get one big 4th down stop. 

Edited September 4 by newcam2012

[TBBills Fan]

On the night of 9/7 to 9/8 there is going to be a blood moon lunar eclipse. 

 

Does this change the point spread at all?

 

Will Ravens fans be howling at the moon after the game?

 

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-blood-moon-total-lunar-eclipse-is-coming-heres-how-to-see-it/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAMmj8tjbGNrAyaPu2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEew_DiblTMbf1pG0WXBv5ZpY24UbfSpE12MrQR_Q-e5Fn5p8uhBZlVwc4cXq8_aem_qJQtKS-lmPwOq-CLs-rwkw

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[FranchiseSavior]

27 minutes ago, boyst said:

I am not concerned with a loss because the bigger picture.

 

Find the losses:

Ravens

@jets

dolphins

Saints

Patriots 

@falcons

@panthwrs

Chiefs

@dolphins

Bucs

@texans

@Steelers

Bengals

@patriots

Browns

Eagles

Jets

 

Worst case? Ravens, Chiefs, eagles, Bengals, 5th loss (bucs, Texans)...  6 losses is hard to believe.

 

Find the losses for ravens:

@bills

Browns

Lions

@chiefs

Texans

Rams

Bears

@dolphins

@vikings

@Browns 

Jets

Bengals

Steelers

Patriots

@packers

@steelers

 

Losses: Chiefs, Bengals/browns/Steelers (they'll lose 2 games in division), Texans or patriots...beating them is important but the Ravens always find a slump. They don't ever play the dolphins well, also. I can see 5-6 losses there. The Patriots will get better and play tough as the season goes on.

Go back and check the last score against the Dolphins.  Patriots don't have the horses. I agree 2 in the division and another in the season but barring injuries  4 loses tops.  

[nosejob]

I hope Riccard is out. If so, we win. If not, I imagine there will be an open lane where DQ is supposed to be. Hope to see a lot of Walker and the sooner they activate JP to put next to him the better.

[Roundybout]

 

I wonder if this was brought up unprovoked 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

 

I wonder if this was brought up unprovoked 

 

Guess who is taking Knox's place next year.

 

I wonder if he takes away snaps from Kincaid in short yardage and goaline situations?  I would bet he would have pushed Allen with ease on the tush push in the AFCCG.

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Good analysis. I agree with your post. I just think it's a huge ask and unlikely to expect two rookies to have a significant impact. It's far more likely that they are liabilities due to their lack of experience. 

 

Like I've reinterated the path to a Bills victory is pretty narrow. Sure they can win and I hope they do. 

 

I think the Bills offense will have to make some explosive plays, control the ball, stretch the field, and have 1 or less turnovers. The crowd will be loud but not as advantageous or helpful as other games. The Ravens know what to expect and will be prepared. 

 

The Bills defense will likely get shredded. I don't see a viable or realistic path to their success. The Ravens have a path to run all over the Bills or be successful passing due to the Bills secondary injuries. I do believe your above explanation is unrealistic. (No offense.) I think the defense needs to be stout in the red zone, prevent TDs, give up mostly field goals, force a couple of turnovers, and maybe get one big 4th down stop. 

Biggest issue I have with this, and it’s not you saying it.. is people who glaze the Ravens Defense because of Starks addition, yet our high pick and a guy who slid due to injury that he seems better now from are going to be liabilities.  
 

It’s the whole “our guys are question marks but there’s are not” vibe.  
 

If they want to play single high with Starks, we should absolutely take shots downfield on them until we force Hamilton back to split high safeties. 

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Go back and check the last score against the Dolphins.  Patriots don't have the horses. I agree 2 in the division and another in the season but barring injuries  4 loses tops.  

 

The Bills always seem to be in for a tough battle with the Jets at MetLife. If the Bills lose to the Ravens, I bet many here will think they will kill the Jets next week. They won't. I bet between 3:30 - 4:00 on Sunday afternoon that game will still be in doubt and the Bills will be challenged to avoid going 0-2. They will probably win but it will be close. Hopefully the Bills can beat the Ravens and go there 1-0.

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Good analysis. I agree with your post. I just think it's a huge ask and unlikely to expect two rookies to have a significant impact. It's far more likely that they are liabilities due to their lack of experience. 

 

Like I've reinterated the path to a Bills victory is pretty narrow. Sure they can win and I hope they do. 

 

I think the Bills offense will have to make some explosive plays, control the ball, stretch the field, and have 1 or less turnovers. The crowd will be loud but not as advantageous or helpful as other games. The Ravens know what to expect and will be prepared. 

 

The Bills defense will likely get shredded. I don't see a viable or realistic path to their success. The Ravens have a path to run all over the Bills or be successful passing due to the Bills secondary injuries. I do believe your above explanation is unrealistic. (No offense.) I think the defense needs to be stout in the red zone, prevent TDs, give up mostly field goals, force a couple of turnovers, and maybe get one big 4th down stop. 

 

Here are Derrick Henry's games vs the Bills.  We have had success stopping him.  He's had two monster games and 4 sub par games.

Playoff game was 16 for 84 which is a decent game but not a monster game.  

 

The pass defense is the concern in this game.

[MasterStrategist]

 

 

[Don Otreply]

GO BILLS!!!

[newcam2012]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Biggest issue I have with this, and it’s not you saying it.. is people who glaze the Ravens Defense because of Starks addition, yet our high pick and a guy who slid due to injury that he seems better now from are going to be liabilities.  
 

It’s the whole “our guys are question marks but there’s are not” vibe.  
 

If they want to play single high with Starks, we should absolutely take shots downfield on them until we force Hamilton back to split high safeties. 

I hear you. The Bills really haven't been able to stretch the field last year and vs Baltimore too. Allen really didn't throw a great deep ball and the Bills lacked a vertical threat. Hopefully, this year that changes. We should find out pretty fast because I think the Ravens top priority is stopping the Bills run game. 

[transplantbillsfan]

So we just elevated that new Safety we picked up who's a special teams ace.

 

Wonder if we'll actually go into this game with 4 DTs, half being rookies.

[newcam2012]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Here are Derrick Henry's games vs the Bills.  We have had success stopping him.  He's had two monster games and 4 sub par games.

Playoff game was 16 for 84 which is a decent game but not a monster game.  

 

The pass defense is the concern in this game.

The Bills stacked the box to stop Henry. They can't run their regular front and be successful. They are too light in the ass. Rookies have learning curves and I don't expect Walker or Sanders to have a high impact on stopping the run. 

 

Yes the Bills secondary is a mess. An improved Lamar should be able to exploit the Bills weaknesses. They can beat the Bills several different ways. That's way their path to victory is pretty big. 

 

We will see how it plays out.