Game week thread - Ravens at Bills SNF

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree- Lamar played a better game than Josh.  But the turnovers were the difference.  If Josh had even just one turnover, you guys probably win that game.  He didn’t.  
 

 

But did Jackson play better then Allen in that game even taking out the 2 TO's?  Allen was fantastic in the 1st half badly outplaying Jackson in building a 21 - 10 lead.  In the 2nd half the Bills played not to lose and were not taking any chances which limited Allen's chances to make some more big plays.  In contrast and as you noted Jackson was playing catch up against a weak defense protecting a lead.  He was always going to put up better numbers than Allen in the 2nd half.

  

What needs to be repeated over and over again is that the defense almost blew another playoff game as did the coaches decision to play it close to the vest in the 2nd half.  

 

 

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree- I just don’t think his turnovers were at critical times. 

hard to argue that a turnover itself does not create a critical time.

 

I remember DC Tom went to the stump one time in an argument about turnovers and how valuable they are because of limited possessions in the current NFL. Each team may get the ball only 2 times in a quarter, some times only 4 times a game, 5 if they're able, 6 if they're skilled. Losing 1 chance to possess the ball and give it to the other team is critical.

 

a turnover creates a critical time in my opinion.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

But did Jackson play better then Allen in that game even taking out the 2 TO's?  Allen was fantastic in the 1st half badly outplaying Jackson in building a 21 - 10 lead.  In the 2nd half the Bills played not to lose and were not taking any chances which limited Allen's chances to make some more big plays.  In contrast and as you noted Jackson was playing catch up against a weak defense protecting a lead.  He was always going to put up better numbers than Allen in the 2nd half.

  

What needs to be repeated over and over again is that the defense almost blew another playoff game as did the coaches decision to play it close to the vest in the 2nd half.  

 

 

I don’t remember Josh being fantastic.  I suppose I’ll have to rewatch it.  I remember him playing under control and mistake free football.  Solid half of football.    

[SCBills]

If anyone watched the end of the Miami/Notre Dame game, the way Cristobal coached seemed like how we played the entire Ravens game. 
 

We played that game ultra conservative and hoped the Ravens would give us the game … and they did.  
 

Ravens are even better this year, but so are we.  Difference being, they have a lot of proven talent, whereas we have a ton of potential.  If our guys hit, we push them for best roster in the AFC.  Big if though. 

[FranchiseSavior]

49 minutes ago, boyst said:

yeah, good thing it's a team sport and the Bills won sweetie.

 

all these stats matter except when they don't, right? that's why last year Lamar should have been MVP and Henry is the best, and blablabla

 

if individual stats meant anything than you could run your mouth about how great these stats are with the Ravens. but even in the regular season who cares....playoffs matter. and wins matter. thus, sorry charlie....ravens don't matter.

 

this year is the test. if they can't do it this year everyone will ask when can they? will they supercede the mistakes often committed by their "MVP" QB?

 

odds are against it.

Josh and Lamar has the same number of Lombardis so according to you both are in the same boat.  That I can get with. 

[FranchiseSavior]

40 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree- Lamar played a better game than Josh.  But the turnovers were the difference.  If Josh had even just one turnover, you guys probably win that game.  He didn’t.  

Lamar played vs a terrible bills defense. The bills D was a sieve last season.  Bottom 3 on 3rd down in the NFL and seemed to only get worse in the playoffs.  
 

Josh played against a solid Ravens D. Solid, not great. Definitely much better than the defense Lamar was facing 💯 
 

and the fact remains that Josh has been a MUCH better playoff QB…..and this is why the narrative is different.  Those that have created the narrative have stated why they feel the way they do and there is plenty of evidence that backs it up.  
 

Lamar will be an all timer.  I do believe that he will win one.  Stop worrying about narratives. Enjoy your guy.  Coming onto Bills message boards thinking that you’re going to convince that Josh’s narrative should be equal to Lamar’s is just a waste of your short time here on earth.  But carry on, it’s your life.
 

 

I dont worry about the narrative narratives are nothing more than people's opinions.  I think its hilarious how people excuse alone thing for a player while holding the exact same thing against another player. 

[DapperCam]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If anyone watched the end of the Miami/Notre Dame game, the way Cristobal coached seemed like how we played the entire Ravens game. 
 

We played that game ultra conservative and hoped the Ravens would give us the game … and they did.  
 

Ravens are even better this year, but so are we.  Difference being, they have a lot of proven talent, whereas we have a ton of potential.  If our guys hit, we push them for best roster in the AFC.  Big if though. 

It was kind of maddening how conservative we played in both the Ravens and Chiefs games. You have the league MVP. Sometimes you have to call his number (which doesn’t involve just slamming his body into the line).

 

I’m thinking especially the red zone calling on the Bills last real offensive possession that ended in a FG at the like 2 yard line vs the Ravens. They were calling it like they were playing for the FG. You think Andy Reid would have called it like that? No way! He would have a special red zone play ready to go to put the dagger in then and there.

Edited Wednesday at 02:41 PM by DapperCam

[FranchiseSavior]

41 minutes ago, boyst said:

you can't ever say a player was outplayed by another when that player turned the ball over twice at critical times.

Soooo Skylar Thompson out played Josh when Josh turned the ball over 2xs.  Yep the TOs are all you look at even though the wr ran the wrong route and the centers bad snap caused Linemen to be down field therefore causing Lamar to have to try to do something extraordinary to save the play. 

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

What time is the official injury report due today?

@FranchiseSavior is still butt hurt with the previous playoff losses to the Bills.

Status : PUP

 

[FranchiseSavior]

39 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

But did Jackson play better then Allen in that game even taking out the 2 TO's?  Allen was fantastic in the 1st half badly outplaying Jackson in building a 21 - 10 lead.  In the 2nd half the Bills played not to lose and were not taking any chances which limited Allen's chances to make some more big plays.  In contrast and as you noted Jackson was playing catch up against a weak defense protecting a lead.  He was always going to put up better numbers than Allen in the 2nd half.

  

What needs to be repeated over and over again is that the defense almost blew another playoff game as did the coaches decision to play it close to the vest in the 2nd half.  

 

 

Josh had the benefit of 3 TOs and 3 short fields to work with.  Your defense was good enough to get you the 2 seed in the playoffs.  Lamar played with out his #1 wr and his #2 wr didnt play in the 4th qtr.  He really did that with a literal practice squad call up as his #1 wr.  

5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

@FranchiseSavior is still butt hurt with the previous playoff losses to the Bills.

Status : PUP

 

Not butt hurt at all its all a part of the process 

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

I dont worry about the narrative narratives are nothing more than people's opinions.  I think its hilarious how people excuse alone thing for a player while holding the exact same thing against another player. 

Your posts in this thread lead me to believe that you’re upset about more than just the 2 passes.  
 

And those passes aren’t “the same exact thing”- as has been reiterated several time.  In YOUR eyes, they are the same, which is why this is hilarious to you.  Those with eyes, realize that they aren’t.  Those with brains realize that it’s not just about those 2 passes.  It’s about Lamar’s turnovers.  As Bills fans, we realize how turnovers create such a negative stigma around players…..we’ve seen Josh roasted for his turnovers for just first 6 seasons.  That’s all anyone ever talked about 

[Dillenger4]

What time do the injury reports get released today? Curious about Tre White.

[CincyBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Josh had the benefit of 3 TOs and 3 short fields to work with.  

 

The Bills had TWO 70 yard drives for TD's in the first half.  Their only short field TD drive was after the Jackson fumble and return.

 

 

27 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

It was kind of maddening how conservative we played in both the Ravens and Chiefs games. You have the league MVP. Sometimes you have to call his number (which doesn’t involve just slamming his body into the line).

 

I’m thinking especially the red zone calling on the Bills last real offensive possession that ended in a FG at the like 2 yard line vs the Ravens. They were calling it like they were playing for the FG. You think Andy Reid would have called it like that? No way! He would have a special red zone play ready to go to put the dagger in then and there.

Bingo.  In many ways the coaching decisions, particularly in the 2nd half, came very close to again losing the Bills a playoff game.  The last FG was maddening because it told me that McD thought an 8 point lead would lock the game up when a TD would have really locked the game up.

 

 

 

 

[Pokebball]

24 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Josh had the benefit of 3 TOs and 3 short fields to work with.  Your defense was good enough to get you the 2 seed in the playoffs.  Lamar played with out his #1 wr and his #2 wr didnt play in the 4th qtr.  He really did that with a literal practice squad call up as his #1 wr.  

Not butt hurt at all its all a part of the process 

Then the Ravens need to do better this year. Quit making stupid choices.

[Cray51]

27 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Soooo Skylar Thompson out played Josh when Josh turned the ball over 2xs.  Yep the TOs are all you look at even though the wr ran the wrong route and the centers bad snap caused Linemen to be down field therefore causing Lamar to have to try to do something extraordinary to save the play. 

Lamar fumbled in bills territory trying to get away from Hamlin.  Oline downfield, sure, but Lamar HAS to hold onto the ball there.  He tried to do something extraordinary, but he wasn’t extraordinary on the play, leading to the fumble.

 

the Int was a 7 yard overthrow with a clean pocket.  It wasn’t a throw in a tight window where the receiver had a chance, he just missed his throw very badly.  At least Allen’s INT against Miami was a good throw to Beasley who simply didn’t bring it down and it bounced off his chest to a defender.

 

Lamar is a great QB.  There isn’t a statistic in the postseason to put him above Allen.

[HappyDays]

32 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Soooo Skylar Thompson out played Josh when Josh turned the ball over 2xs.

 

Your obsession with that game is absolutely hilarious 😂 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Your obsession with that game is absolutely hilarious 😂 

ravens fans should be familiar with really weird division opponent games. Odd games like that one happen all the time against division foes. I mean, didn’t jameis winston and the Browns shred the Ravens last year?

[Bigvinny]

 

[boyst]

52 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Josh and Lamar has the same number of Lombardis so according to you both are in the same boat.  That I can get with. 

i am not here to defend josh.

we are talking about lamar jackson.

that's the problem is any time someone talks about lamar they deflect to every other tangent possible.

42 minutes ago, FranchiseSavior said:

Soooo Skylar Thompson out played Josh when Josh turned the ball over 2xs.  Yep the TOs are all you look at even though the wr ran the wrong route and the centers bad snap caused Linemen to be down field therefore causing Lamar to have to try to do something extraordinary to save the play. 

who won? it's a team sport not a qb vs qb dual. unless you're taylor swift you realize qb's don't play each other.

 

well, we now know swifty has an account here and is a ravens fan.

[MikePJ76]

2 hours ago, FranchiseSavior said:

We can play this if game both ways if Andrews doesn't drop the ball in the endzone... if Andrews didnt fumble the ball... if Bateman didn't run the wrong route... if Linderbaum didnt have a bad snap... of Henry didnt drop a wide open pass in 5je flat... if Andrws didnt drop a 1st down when no one was nothing 5 yards of him.  If Flowers wouldn't have gotten hurt...  if Bateman would have been available for the 4th qtr...  if if if then we beat Buffalo by multiple scores.  Phenomenal passes aren't underthrown. 

Just to be clear I keep seeing you say if andrews didn't fumble...You are completely distorting what actually happened there.  It wasn't a random fumble, it was an outstanding defensive play by bernard and the term is FORCED FUMBLE.  It was a takeaway not a turnover.  That is why the bills won this game...They created takewaways and the bills did not make those mistakes.  

 

Second, you keep talking about how Buffalo can not slow down Lamar Jackson, well A. The guy is incredible and most teams do not but B. you keep conveniently leaving out that he really did not play that well until rapp and benford were out, that is when your passing offense kicked into gear.  Just like the first game when the bills had a number of big injuries.  

 

Why you feel the need to be on a Bills board lecturing us about how great the Ravens are and how lucky the Bills were again seems a lot like you trying to convince yourself.  

 

I guess there is also the realization that Ravens fans are extremely onboxious and arrogant just like their local media so maybe you are just being that guy.