Overreactions to Preseason games

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Again, I appreciate the laugh! There is very little that you said that is nothing more than fear baiting. The other night wasn’t great at all-for the guys who are going to be cut or be depth. Few, if any, starters played, so the Bills essentially started their JV team against Chicago’s varsity team. Didn’t get out of hand? Yup, but honestly I’m not really worried about Brandon Codrington giving up a big play for a touchdown. 
 

if by some chance every starter in offense and defense got hurt then yes, there would be concern, but I think they will be fine. In terms of not having a ton of depth, you know what other teams don’t have a ton of depth? Every team in the league! There’s not enough money to get quality starters AND have quality depth. Also, I want the young guys to take their lumps now rather than when it counts.

 

So until week 1, I will certainly continue to enjoy the massively hilarious overreactions to the undisciplined, disorganized mess

 

Yeah like... it's definitely one of the reasons the lions lost to the commanders last year.  Turnovers were really bad in that one - but 481 yards and 27 first downs is also pretty hard to overcome.  With no consistent pass rush, you're left with Daniels buying time to carve up the banged up secondary.  

[FormerLV-BILLS]

23 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Palmer was a WR2 before here.  Shakir is one of the most respected slot WRs in the league and starts anywhere he wanted to go right now.  Keon is a starting WR entering his sophomore season who was on pace for 1000 yards as a rookie before he got hurt against the Dolphins.
 

But you don’t see any WRs who would be more than a 4 on any other team?  
 

Sounds like you don’t know what you are looking at.  

Fact......we have one star on this football team after 8 years of this regime.  They do get credit for picking Allen.  You can try to justify the WR's any way you want, but they are all mediocre.  I like Shakir.  He's not a #1.  I about spit my drink out about your description of Palmer.  This is a dude that couldn't produce in LA when they had no WR's because all of them were hurt.  Of course though, people here actually thought we lost something when Hollins went to New England.  Hollins blows.  Of course, his 25-30 catch average number of catches fit right in here.  Because after all, everybody eats.  But on this team, everyone is anorexic, because they all are mediocre at best.

 

We have one star after 8 years.  One.  Fact.  This is a 3-4 win team without Allen.  

Edited August 20 by FormerLV-BILLS

[Buffalo Ballin]

Beane's talent evaluation, on the defensive side of the ball, is just not good.

 

Off the top of my head, he hit the mark on getting Josh Alien, James Cook, and trading for Stefon Diggs. And amazingly, built up a good o-line. 

[NewEra]

On 8/18/2025 at 1:53 PM, Ya Digg? said:

I But then, lo and behold, these games start and it's thread after thread of "this team has no chance" or "they need to fire Beane/McDermott now" to go with "This years and last years draft classes are horrible" I for one really enjoy watching so many go off the deep end

 

 

Don’t forget the “I knew we should have drafted <insert player> or signed <insert player> or not blown cap space on “insert player””.   Credit that has no value

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Beane's talent evaluation, on the defensive side of the ball, is just not good.

 

Off the top of my head, he hit the mark on getting Josh Alien, James Cook, and trading for Stefon Diggs. And amazingly, built up a good o-line. 

You put another QB behind that line & it might not look as good.

 

The results don’t really matter in the preseason you hope to see plays and potential and we haven't seen much

Edited August 20 by uticaclub

[Alphadawg7]

12 hours ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:

Fact......we have one star on this football team after 8 years of this regime.  They do get credit for picking Allen.  You can try to justify the WR's any way you want, but they are all mediocre.  I like Shakir.  He's not a #1.  I about spit my drink out about your description of Palmer.  This is a dude that couldn't produce in LA when they had no WR's because all of them were hurt.  Of course though, people here actually thought we lost something when Hollins went to New England.  Hollins blows.  Of course, his 25-30 catch average number of catches fit right in here.  Because after all, everybody eats.  But on this team, everyone is anorexic, because they all are mediocre at best.

 

We have one star after 8 years.  One.  Fact.  This is a 3-4 win team without Allen.  

The only fact here is how ridiculous your original comment was that you’re now trying to glide right past and pretend you didn’t say something so ridiculous and now make it something else.

 

Reminder you said there were no WRs on our team that are better than a WR4, really WR5 because you said you would even take any WR that resembled even a WR4 implying all our guys are less than a WR4.  As comically absurd as that was, you actually said something more ridiculous when you said “I could care less about the score.”

 

Weird the only thing that decides winners or losers is the score, that’s the entire foundation of sports.  But you’re just pissing and moaning because they don’t score the way YOU want to score so therefore it shouldn’t count.  
 

Meanwhile - the highest scoring season in Bills history, a historically great offense, highest scoring team in the AFC reg season, highest scoring team in the AFC playoffs, highest PPG in the AFC playoffs, most total points reg season and playoffs in the NFL, even more than the 2 teams who played an extra game in the SB.  
 

But who cares right, let’s just go back to airing it out with turnover prone Josh where we scored less points and turned the ball over more despite having a top 5 WR.  Because that’s what you want to do despite any rhyme or reason to it. 

Man the season can’t start soon enough 

 

 

 

[Ta111]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The only fact here is how ridiculous your original comment was that you’re now trying to glide right past and pretend you didn’t say something so ridiculous and now make it something else.

 

Reminder you said there were no WRs on our team that are better than a WR4, really WR5 because you said you would even take any WR that resembled even a WR4 implying all our guys are less than a WR4.  As comically absurd as that was, you actually said something more ridiculous when you said “I could care less about the score.”

 

Weird the only thing that decides winners or losers is the score, that’s the entire foundation of sports.  But you’re just pissing and moaning because they don’t score the way YOU want to score so therefore it shouldn’t count.  
 

Meanwhile - the highest scoring season in Bills history, a historically great offense, highest scoring team in the AFC reg season, highest scoring team in the AFC playoffs, highest PPG in the AFC playoffs, most total points reg season and playoffs in the NFL, even more than the 2 teams who played an extra game in the SB.  
 

But who cares right, let’s just go back to airing it out with turnover prone Josh where we scored less points and turned the ball over more despite having a top 5 WR.  Because that’s what you want to do despite any rhyme or reason to it. 

Man the season can’t start soon enough 

 

 

 

Agree with everything you said, but why confuse others with facts? 

[FormerLV-BILLS]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The only fact here is how ridiculous your original comment was that you’re now trying to glide right past and pretend you didn’t say something so ridiculous and now make it something else.

 

Reminder you said there were no WRs on our team that are better than a WR4, really WR5 because you said you would even take any WR that resembled even a WR4 implying all our guys are less than a WR4.  As comically absurd as that was, you actually said something more ridiculous when you said “I could care less about the score.”

 

Weird the only thing that decides winners or losers is the score, that’s the entire foundation of sports.  But you’re just pissing and moaning because they don’t score the way YOU want to score so therefore it shouldn’t count.  
 

Meanwhile - the highest scoring season in Bills history, a historically great offense, highest scoring team in the AFC reg season, highest scoring team in the AFC playoffs, highest PPG in the AFC playoffs, most total points reg season and playoffs in the NFL, even more than the 2 teams who played an extra game in the SB.  
 

But who cares right, let’s just go back to airing it out with turnover prone Josh where we scored less points and turned the ball over more despite having a top 5 WR.  Because that’s what you want to do despite any rhyme or reason to it. 

Man the season can’t start soon enough 

 

 

 

You can write a dissertation as long as you want.  And you can twist things as much as you want.  You know exactly what I mean about our WR's.  They are medicore, at best.  I've said that about 400 times.  

 

FACT:  This great offense failed again, when it had the ball last in the playoffs, and once the 1st round pick (and another mediocre pass catcher) failed to make a slightly above average play after Allen performed heroics just to get the ball near him.  Why didn't he make the play you ask?  Because he isn't/wasn't quite as athletic or coordinated enough to make a catch like that.  1st round pick.  Failed when it counts.  That lofty #1 ranked offense mattered 0%, because when it comes down to it, he wasn't good enough to make a play in a real pressure situation.  AKA, mediocre wins you a 1 pm game against the Saints that we sleepwalk through, especially when Allen your QB.  That mediocre talent fails to deliver in crunch time in big playoff games where the other team has star players.  See also.....our defense.

 

You defended, not me, Josh Palmer as a #2.  He wasn't, but he did have a chance to step in when some Chargers got hurt.  You tell me.....what do these stats tell you?

 

2024   39-584-1

2023    38-581-2

2022    72-769-3

2021    33-353-4

 

Those numbers SCREAM #4 on a lot of teams.  A lot of teams concentrate on the offensive side of the ball.  So, what about that year where he caught 72 balls?  Well, he sucked the next two years again.  A logical conclusion can be that he just kind of sucks.  Another logical conclusion could be that he isn't good enough to capitalize on the 72 catch season because he isn't good enough.  And the last logical conclusion could be that the Chargers know he sucks because they couldn't keep him elevated, for whatever reason, and keep him as an ascending player.  He was painfully below average for 2 consecustive years after his solid year.  One solid year, not great, but one solid year.

 

How about Mack Hollins, the biggest and most overrated player since Da'Rick Rogers here (whatever his name was).  Supposedly a big loss right?  Or should I have used Martin Nance from yesteryear as well?  He has stunk his entire career.  SCREAMS 4th wr.  Actually, as a WR, he screams that he should be waived from the NFL.  He was even watched out the door in Orchard Park when the Bills love mediocre WR's and special teams guys.  He was signed to a very modest contract in NE that we certainly could have matched here to keep him if we wanted.  But hey, he's funny and a good guy because he cooks and walks around barefoot I guess.   He actually stars in that stuff.  The wrong stuff.    

 

2024    31-378-5

2023    18-251-0

2022    57-690-4

2021    13-223-4

2020    16-176-1

2019    10-125-0

 

Should I go on?  Because it doesn't get much better.  And Hollins put up 31-378-5 with the best QB in the league.  And then, to boot, the Bills let him go, for the collection of new stiffs that exist now. 

 

Shakir could be a beast if he didn't have to be the #1 guy on this team.  The rest of these guys.....meh.  Hell, that's why Gabe Davis is back in town. 

 

Allen is the Porsche at the dealership with a bunch of 2017 Nissan Altima's 200 feet away at the used car section of the lot.  Everyone knows it.  And it's the same philospjy this year as always.  Tell Josh not to be the hero.....when your roster sets him up to have to be the hero. 

 

Stats don't tell the entire story.  However, they do indicate a lot.  And for whatver reason our WR's don't have any stats to be proud of, they don't have any for a reason.  Most of the time, it's just the fact that you kinda suck.  Our WR's outside of Shakir kinda suck.  All of them except Shakir, and Coleman who only gets a pass because he's only in his second year.  But he certainly didn't do anything yet to put away the myth that we have no clue how to develop and draft NFL caliber WR's.

 

Everybody is supposed to eat.  That's what we use as a cute parting shot for Diggs.  However, most of our guys are anorexic.  We need some steak eaters on this team.  We have only one.....Allen. 

Edited August 20 by FormerLV-BILLS

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 8/18/2025 at 4:32 PM, Pete said:

He worded it something like “practice determines who plays.  Players that played well will get a rest day.  He said players that need further evaluation will play”. 

 

He also stated something that based on the results of how the starters played in the scrimmage, he didn't feel they needed to play Sunday.

[Alphadawg7]

27 minutes ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:

You can write a dissertation as long as you want.  And you can twist things as much as you want.  You know exactly what I mean about our WR's.  They are medicore, at best.  I've said that about 400 times.  

 

FACT:  This great offense failed again, when it had the ball last in the playoffs, and once the 1st round pick (and another mediocre pass catcher) failed to make a slightly above average play after Allen performed heroics just to get the ball near him.  Why didn't he make the play you ask?  Because he isn't/wasn't quite as athletic or coordinated enough to make a catch like that.  1st round pick.  Failed when it counts.  That lofty #1 ranked offense mattered 0%, because when it comes down to it, he wasn't good enough to make a play in a real pressure situation.  AKA, mediocre wins you a 1 pm game against the Saints that we sleepwalk through, especially when Allen your QB.  That mediocre talent fails to deliver in crunch time in big playoff games where the other team has star players.  See also.....our defense.

 

Again, you wrote it - you said they were ALL less than WR4's.  Nonsense.  

 

Lets talk about that last drive.  On the final series we didn't convert, WR's were open on every single snap and the offense failed to get the WR the ball on 3 of the 4 downs.  You do know that Curtis Samuel was wide open for a first down right?  And it was Josh Allen who failed that play by getting his ball knocked down at the LOS.  But thats the WR's fault?  

 

Even on the final play you realize not one, not two, but 3 guys (2 WR's and a TE) were WIDE open but our offense didn't know where the pressure was coming from and Josh Allen cheated the protection to the opposite side and the defenders came on a free release.  So Allen couldn't get the ball to a wide open Shakir, who was wide open to the left right off the snap for not only an easy first, but more yardage after.  He didn't have the time to hit the WR running wide open over the middle either for an easy first.  And he didn't have the time to throw a clean pass to a wide open Kincaid that would have been a 40+ yard gain.  

 

Instead, it came down to Allen having to heave a miraculous ball well behind the wide open Kincaid who was playing on bad knees that needed to come back and get the ball and try and make a difficult angle catch which is a tear drop basket catch.  YES he should have caught it still, but it was our failure to recognize the Blitz that ended up causing that play to happen in the first place.  

 

MEANWHILE - Our defense gave up 32 points to a team that did NOT score 30 the entire season in any other game and had 0 points and was down 5 scores in the 3rd quarter the very next week.  

 

So sorry, literally nothing you have said at any point in this thread is factual, realistic, or actually what happened.  You are on this delusional Karen rant blaming receivers for why the game ended on the final drive when its not remotely close to what happened.

Edited August 20 by Alphadawg7

[DrDawkinstein]

On 8/18/2025 at 5:10 PM, H2o said:

If I say last night's game was a complete trash performance from game plan, to the execution of said game plan, to the players on the field, does anyone disagree with me in any, way, shape, or form? If you do, I have no idea what game were watching. We were horrendous, all except for Hancock and the Punter. That is not an overaction, that is an honest take. Thankfully, many of those guys will not be seeing meaningful snaps come the regular season, if they even make the team, because the suck. And if any of those guys do see snaps, the rest of the players around them will be better. They couldn't do a single thing right last night. It was rough to watch, even for a Preseason game. 

 

You know they dont gameplan for these, right? They just run stuff they want to practice and see how players react. No planning on schemes, matchups, etc,

[SCBills]

Elijah Moore should make this team because this is about the third time I’ve seen a clip of him working the DB silly for a huge gain, potential long TD and our backup QB doesn’t see him or can’t get it to him.  
 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 8/18/2025 at 4:34 PM, FormerLV-BILLS said:

I for one, after a regime having 8 years to establish itself, would just like to see someone other than Josh Allen look like a star player.  Or hell, I'll even take a WR that looks like they might be better than a typical fourth WR on almost any other NFL team that has even the slightest clue.  I could care less about the score. 

 

When you watch these games, I see none of that.  That's all I want.  I ask again, if one of our WR's gets hurt, does it even matter?  Once again, we have a stable of about 10 medicore, at best, WR's playing with the best QB in the league.  Yet, we have about 400 rotational, and mediocre, defensive lineman again.   It's the same tired philosphy of a defensive coach not adding to his strength. 

 

I keep hearing about this "best offense in the league crap" every week.  But yet, they've had the ball last a few times in the playoffs and couldn't come through.  Mainly because when it's crunch time, the mediocre shows.  Of course, we all know the defense fails when it counts as well.

 

Catch the friggin ball Kincaid.  You are a first round pick that needed to make a decent play as a professional.  Mediocre.  All over the field.  Mediocre players and Josh Allen.

 

But hey Josh, "Don't Try To Do Too Much".

* Reigning MVP QB,

* 1000+ yard 18 total TD running back

* #1 in pass protection (last team to allow less than 15 sacks in a season was 2009 Steelers) 2nd lowest pressure to sack ratios of all time 

* 8th team in HISTORY to score 30+ points in 12 of their regular season games

* TIED for fewest giveaway EVER at 8 for the season 

* 7th team in history with fewer than 60 punts on the season (51)

Other random stats

 

-Tied for most players to receive a touchdown in a single season at 13, joining the 2020 Buffalo Bills and the 2016 Atlanta Falcons.

-Have converted 15-18 4th Down attempts, for a total rate of 83.3%. I have no idea where that ranks all-time or anything, but thought it was cool. I believe it’s at the top of the league this year though.

-First team ever with 3 consecutive games with 5+ TDs, no sacks, and no turnovers. (Week 13-Week 15)

-Have Scored 35.5 PPG in the 8 games WR1 Amari Cooper has played.

 

SO MY QUESTION IS…

 

How can this offense get any better ? The room for improvement seems very minimal in such an incredible record-breaking season.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 21 by ChronicAndKnuckles