The Best to Never Get There

[RoscoeParrish]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Andy Reid wasn't considered Andy Reid when he got fired from the eagles and he was considered a good coach who could not get over the hump 

Andy Reid didn’t have Mahomes in Philly.

 

Sean has Josh Allen in Buffalo.

[BillsPride12]

1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

TY. John Elway was a perennial loser in too many peoples eyes until he was a HOFer due to SB wins. He was a better player before the SBs imo.  Elway got his days in the sun, I expect Josh will too (as a Bill), but no guarantees. I've been enjoying the ride since we drafted Josh and my boys asked me if we got the right QB. My answer was simple: I have no effin idea but we got one of the top 4 and that's who we're riding with. Good times. 

Excellent point.  The difference was Elway was surrounded by much more talented teams in those late 90s runs than in the 80s and early 90s.  That's the thing with the Bills.  Josh is great and the Bills have certainly fielded some very good teams around him but it just hasn't felt like he has been given a true Super Bowl caliber team around him yet.  Hoping the Defense has been shored up and that is about to change. We'll see

[Billl]

6 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

i just think it's incredibly unlikely that if (as you posit) we only gave up say 21 points in a playoff game vs Chiefs we'd end up only scoring 20 when we average over 28 in games Allen starts

That’s true, but you’re looking at it backwards.  The Chiefs scoring fewer points wouldn’t have made the Bills score fewer, but the Bills scoring more likely would have led to the Chiefs also scoring more.  If Bass makes that kick, it’s 27-27 and the Chiefs have the ball with 1:40, 2 timeouts, and get to use all 4 downs to score.  Even if they fail, there’s overtime.  They didn’t need to score, but they did need to get a first down to ice the game.  They got a first down.

 

Same goes for the end of the 2024 AFCCG.  The Bills final drive ended with just under 2:00 left.  If they had managed to score, the Chiefs were getting the ball with a chance to score.  There was also the possibility of overtime had the BIlls kicked a FG.  Even trying to kill the clock, they gained two first downs and got to the Buffalo 18 before kneeling down.

 

So yeah, there’s a lot of truth to the idea that teams can score more when they need to and play it closer to the vest when they don’t (like in the 2023 AFCCG or the 2024 Divisional round).

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

That’s true, but you’re looking at it backwards.  The Chiefs scoring fewer points wouldn’t have made the Bills score fewer, but the Bills scoring more likely would have led to the Chiefs also scoring more.  If Bass makes that kick, it’s 27-27 and the Chiefs have the ball with 1:40, 2 timeouts, and get to use all 4 downs to score.  Even if they fail, there’s overtime.  They didn’t need to score, but they did need to get a first down to ice the game.  They got a first down.

 

Same goes for the end of the 2024 AFCCG.  The Bills final drive ended with just under 2:00 left.  If they had managed to score, the Chiefs were getting the ball with a chance to score.  There was also the possibility of overtime had the BIlls kicked a FG.  Even trying to kill the clock, they gained two first downs and got to the Buffalo 18 before kneeling down.

 

So yeah, there’s a lot of truth to the idea that teams can score more when they need to and play it closer to the vest when they don’t (like in the 2023 AFCCG or the 2024 Divisional round).

But within that we never stopped them 

[GoBills808]

15 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

But within that we never stopped them 

😂😂Do yourself a favor and put that guy on ignore

 

Bringing up the 2024 divisional as proof is hilarious. The chiefs were absolutely having their way w our defense. The ONLY reason they scored 27 and not 50 is because we managed to hold the ball for 37+ TOP and basically played the football version of a no hitter on offense

 

It's probably one of the only ways to protect the defense tbh

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂Do yourself a favor and put that guy on ignore

 

Bringing up the 2024 divisional as proof is hilarious. The chiefs were absolutely having their way w our defense. The ONLY reason they scored 27 and not 50 is because we managed to hold the ball for 37+ TOP and basically played the football version of a no hitter on offense

 

It's probably one of the only ways to protect the defense tbh

I actually like his takes most the time. They aren’t as tainted. I agree with game script impacting things. But as we know, it’s efficiency of each play. EPA, YPA, Doodle Day. Doesn’t really matter what A, it’s na nay. 

[Dan]

One thing I’ve noticed about the Chiefs is that they’ve practically mastered the science of timing the drive possessions during a game  and then turning it up a notch to score a last minute win.    
 

Even in the game against them in Buffalo, we were up by 2 and driving in the 4th. But they did just what they had to to force a 4th down.  A normal team would have kicked a FG to go up by 5.    Leaving the chiefs MORE than enough time to get the ball and score the winning TD.  It was like the game script was playing out perfectly for them looking at each of the drives and scores prior to that point. Until…. The Bills went for it on 4th down and Josh Allen did Josh Allen things and won the game.   
 

To beat them, when it matters the most, McD is going to have to figure out how to flip that script.  

[Mikie2times]

26 minutes ago, Dan said:

One thing I’ve noticed about the Chiefs is that they’ve practically mastered the science of timing the drive possessions during a game  and then turning it up a notch to score a last minute win.    
 

Even in the game against them in Buffalo, we were up by 2 and driving in the 4th. But they did just what they had to to force a 4th down.  A normal team would have kicked a FG to go up by 5.    Leaving the chiefs MORE than enough time to get the ball and score the winning TD.  It was like the game script was playing out perfectly for them looking at each of the drives and scores prior to that point. Until…. The Bills went for it on 4th down and Josh Allen did Josh Allen things and won the game.   
 

To beat them, when it matters the most, McD is going to have to figure out how to flip that script.  

In most the Super Bowl runs they made they had to come from behind once, if not multiple times and that’s something I don’t know that we have figured out in the postseason. We have trailed for a few minutes here or there and won, but for the most part when we have got behind we haven’t been able to come back (exception 13 seconds).
 

To truly get it done we are likely looking at least one if not multiple late game comebacks which will also have to include late game stops. Pretty tall task from what we have seen so far. Baltimore basically avalanched us in the 2nd half. Perhaps Josh goes down and ends it if they convert the 2 pointer, but if he doesn’t that game is going the other way. 

 

The Chiefs aren’t the end of this. We will still need to close the deal in the Super Bowl. Which for a lot of teams, along with us being the most famous for, can be a bigger hurdle than anything that precedes it. NFC is getting stronger. Eagles were the best team in football last year. 
 

It’s a long road to eliminate our demons. What I want to see this regular season is Bishop stepping into a starter role. Max able to look like a first round pick towards the back half of the year. Possibly unseat Tre. Some pop for at least one of our interior DL rookies. A reasonably healthy season from Bosa, Bernard, and Milano. If these things happen I really think this defense could be positioned for a serious postseason run. Just a lot of ifs, especially when we have so much exposure with a few guys missing time like Benford or Bernard. It will be a fun year this year. I’m looking forward to it. But a lot needs to happen for us.
 

I think if it’s going that way it will be apparent in the stats. The first iteration of this team was fielding #1 defenses at times in the regular season. Much more aggressive and disruptive dictating pace vs bend but don’t break. That’s what we need to see. 

Edited August 15 by Mikie2times

[twoandfourteen]

17 hours ago, Negan said:

Coaching failures have a real effect on this.

 

13 seconds.

 

Defense not making any plays.

 

Players dropping passes.

 

 

Don’t forget the GM’s inability to draft impact talent in the first 2-3 rounds of the draft. 

 

Beane loves his JAGS. 

17 hours ago, SoTier said:

Another day, another thread whining about how bad the Bills are and how bad McDermott is.    Is John Harbaugh also a bad HC because Lamar has started in a Super Bowl yet?

 

FYI, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon are the two best QBs who never made the Super Bowl.  Both Josh and Lamar still have plenty of time.   

 

Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life, including Bills fans.  Deal with it.

 

Harbaugh has a ring and is a lock for the HOF. 

 

 

[twoandfourteen]

13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 Big Ben isn't as good as Josh Allen lol

 

He also went to like 3 before that , the chances of keeping a Hall of Fame quarterback out of the super bowl is slim to none 

 

Sorry Warren Moon

 

Sean McDermott's  also is a better developer of talent than Mike Tomlin... People complain about McDermott all the time but they don't talk about the countless draft picks that he has developed 

 

Not Blue Chip top 10 guys.. 4th 5th 6th 7th round picks some undrafted guys

 

Now explain all of the busts drafted in the first two rounds every year. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

If I remember correctly wasn't Cook on the bench during the final drive against KC in the AFCCG. 

He was, inexplicably.

[bobobonators]

This makes it sound like his career is over. He’s just getting started. 

[Mikie2times]

39 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

He was, inexplicably.

They don’t trust him in pass protection, he won’t be in again in that situation 

[Gregg]

19 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

They don’t trust him in pass protection, he won’t be in again in that situation 

 

With the season on the line Cook wouldn't be going out there to block. Try to get him involved in the passing game where he gets the ball in open spaces. Then he is a threat to take it to the house. On that drive Cook should have been out there and the Bills should have been trying to get him the ball as much as possible. That was a dumb move by McDermott to keep him on the bench on that final drive.

[london_bills]

I had a dream/ nightmare that we lost to the Dolphins in the playoffs and Tua was near perfect. Urgh

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

He was, inexplicably.

Ok let's try for the 1 millionth time, he was not our best 3rd down back and his lack of blocking skills nearly got Allen killed the possession before that.  

Edited August 15 by SoonerBillsFan

[Captain Hindsight]

41 minutes ago, london_bills said:

I had a dream/ nightmare that we lost to the Dolphins in the playoffs and Tua was near perfect. Urgh

The Dolphins are going to be picking in the top ten next draft. That team is going to implode

[Augie]

And then, there is this…..

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1029464-trent-dilfer-brad-johnson-and-the-8-worst-qbs-to-ever-wear-a-super-bowl-ring

 

The worst to win it. If Barry Switzer has a ring, there are a lot of factors involved, including dumb luck. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

With the season on the line Cook wouldn't be going out there to block. Try to get him involved in the passing game where he gets the ball in open spaces. Then he is a threat to take it to the house. On that drive Cook should have been out there and the Bills should have been trying to get him the ball as much as possible. That was a dumb move by McDermott to keep him on the bench on that final drive.

Totally agree. I just think it’s a difficult spot if they don’t like them in pass protection. Especially with Spags tendency to blitz. But ya, you need your best players on the field. 

[st pete gogolak]

It’s difficult to come up with good to great QB’s in the Super Bowl era who never made it to a Super Bowl and are now retired (let’s keep active QB’s like Josh and Lamar out of the discussion). There’s Fouts and Moon of course.  Bert Jones, John Brodie, heck Joe Ferguson?  Does anyone have anyone else who could even be considered in the conversation?