Camp question: Who is this year’s Buffalo Joe?

[GASabresIUFan]

1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Ikea Perrier.  

 

https://www.slate.com/articles/arts/low_concept/2014/03/john_travolta_called_idina_menzel_adele_dazeem_what_s_your_travolta_name.html

 

Is that a Travolta-fied name?

[White Linen]

Dorian Strong 

 

If this 6th round draft pick makes the 53, that would be amazing.  It's highly unlikely even if Hairston misses time.  I'm guessing he'd have to beat out two other young candidates and either Dane or Codrington.  

 

He's an obvious PS pick.

 

 

Edited August 9 by White Linen

[BigAl2526]

Paris Shand has attracted some attention.  I doubt there is room for him to make the 53 man roster, but he might make the PS.  From there he would have to depend on injuries to have a chance to be called up.

[Dafan]

Isn't the name Buffalo Joe because he's from Buffalo?

[BillsFanForever19]

16 hours ago, White Linen said:

Dorian Strong 

 

If this 6th round draft pick makes the 53, that would be amazing.  It's highly unlikely even if Hairston misses time.  I'm guessing he'd have to beat out two other young candidates and either Dane or Codrington.  

 

He's an obvious PS pick.

 

It's not only not highly unlikely he makes the roster - it's highly unlikely he *doesn't* make the roster.

 

Dorian Strong isn't like most 6th Round Picks that we take at the bottom of the Round or as a Supplemental Pick. He was the 1st Pick overall in Round 6.

 

For example, Dorian Strong was taken with the 177th Pick in the Draft. Our 6th Round Pick last year, Daequan Hardy, was taken with the 219th Pick in the Draft. Technically, the same Round. But they were effectively taken almost a full Round and a Half from each other.

 

Jordan Hancock (Pick 170), Jackson Hawes (Pick 173), and Dorian Strong (Pick 177) were all taken within 7 Picks of each other. It cracks me up when posters look at Hancock and Hawes as almost locks and Strong as a longshot bc he was taken in Round 6. Especially considering Strong was considered a steal where he was taken.

 

Even if Hairston didn't get hurt, I still would have liked Strong's chances. Hancock is a Nickel/Safety Hybrid who isn't competing for the same roster spot. We'll keep 4 Boundary CB's. Benford, Hairston, and Tre are givens. The last spot comes down to Strong, Ja'Marcus Ingram, or Dane Jackson (who almost certainly will be cut for the Practice Squad). 

 

With Hairston hurt, they may choose to keep a 5th Boundary guy. And with Strong looking great in Camp in his stead - I would be very surprised if he didn't make it. We'd much easier get back Dane Jackson or Ja'Marcus Ingram on the Practice Squad than we would Dorian Strong.

Edited August 9 by BillsFanForever19

[Fan in Chicago]

4 hours ago, Dafan said:

Isn't the name Buffalo Joe because he's from Buffalo?

The OP meant Buffalo Joe to mean an unheralded undrafted player who puts in the effort and shows enough to make the final cut. Don't focus on the "Buffalo" part of that term. 

Edited August 9 by Fan in Chicago

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

For Practice Squad, sure. Maybe an outside chance that Lundt unseats Van Demark as the 4th OT. But RVD is very well liked by the brass and the guys in the locker room, so I'd be surprised. And there's no shot he beats out Grable with his performance this off-season.

 

We didn't lose anyone on the OL from last season to this year. So it's unlikely that anyone from last season is cut to make room.

 

Especially at IOL, in Bayer's case. He'd have to take one of SVPG or Alec Anderson's spots and I really don't see either being released.

 

I think Lundt has better than an outside chance. I think he is 50/50 to make the 53. And he has had  a very good camp.

[BillsFanForever19]

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Lundt has better than an outside chance. I think he is 50/50 to make the 53. And he has had  a very good camp.

 

I still maintain he'd have to unseat Van Demark. I suppose there's a chance they could keep an extra OL over what they had last year. But that also seems to be something discussed for a lot of different positions this season.

[Cash]

17 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I still maintain he'd have to unseat Van Demark. I suppose there's a chance they could keep an extra OL over what they had last year. But that also seems to be something discussed for a lot of different positions this season.

I tend to agree. One advantage Lundt has is that (IIRC) this is the last year of ultra-cheap team control for Vandy. So if they think it’s at all close, they might prefer Lundt as the 4th tackle who’ll be inactive most weeks anyway. 
 

I'm curious where @GunnerBill saw that Lundt had a great camp. I don’t recall reading anything to that effect. 

[nuklz2594]

White Steve

[Ralonzo]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

For Practice Squad, sure. Maybe an outside chance that Lundt unseats Van Demark as the 4th OT. But RVD is very well liked by the brass and the guys in the locker room, so I'd be surprised. And there's no shot he beats out Grable with his performance this off-season.

 

We didn't lose anyone on the OL from last season to this year. So it's unlikely that anyone from last season is cut to make room.

 

Especially at IOL, in Bayer's case. He'd have to take one of SVPG or Alec Anderson's spots and I really don't see either being released.

 

GRADE: 5.8 (Backup/Draftable - Rounds 6-7)

OVERALL RANK: 252

POSITION RANK: IOL28

PRO COMPARISON: Russell Bodine

 

Boy I hope not. Bodine was exemplar of a time when the Bills would sign any piece of trash on OL trying to get lucky. Bayer is short-armed, not particularly explosive, limited move skills. SVPG was even lighter coming out of UGA but had much better move skills. Kromer wants the C & T's to be able to move, and the G's to be able to maul. Won't know till watching but feels like he doesn't have the athleticism to have a starter's ceiling, but I didn't think much of Anderson before the '23 preseason either and he jumped off the tape particularly at C, to the point the Bills felt they had to roster him on the 53 the entire year despite never giving him a game jersey.

 

Lundt, his feet really pop on film for a 6'8" guy on his college tape. He can hop over a couple feet to set leverage in a blink. Definitely will watch him today (probably more carefully on replay than live - it's become a hobby)

[Captain_Quint]

19 hours ago, Bigvinny said:

The WR from VA Tech, Gosnell.

He even has a nickname already: White Steve

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I still maintain he'd have to unseat Van Demark. I suppose there's a chance they could keep an extra OL over what they had last year. But that also seems to be something discussed for a lot of different positions this season.

 

I think there are two more likely options thay unseating Vandy.

 

1. SVPG's spot. If he is unable to get on the field they will keep Lundt. He might not be a guard but they had tried Grable some at guard and he is clearly the 10th best OL and is a classic Kromer type. 

 

2. They keep a 10th OL. 

 

Unseating Vandy or Vandy being traded is very much 3rd most likely route IMO.

1 hour ago, Cash said:

I tend to agree. One advantage Lundt has is that (IIRC) this is the last year of ultra-cheap team control for Vandy. So if they think it’s at all close, they might prefer Lundt as the 4th tackle who’ll be inactive most weeks anyway. 
 

I'm curious where @GunnerBill saw that Lundt had a great camp. I don’t recall reading anything to that effect. 

 

Was in one of Joe Bs write ups and he has been mentioned in a few Astro Notes. 

 

If he shows well in pre-season I think they will find it hard to stash him. And for the reason you said in respect of Vandy I doubt they want to lose Lundt for good.

[Cash]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think there are two more likely options thay unseating Vandy.

 

1. SVPG's spot. If he is unable to get on the field they will keep Lundt. He might not be a guard but they had tried Grable some at guard and he is clearly the 10th best OL and is a classic Kromer type. 

 

2. They keep a 10th OL. 

 

Unseating Vandy or Vandy being traded is very much 3rd most likely route IMO.

 

Was in one of Joe Bs write ups and he has been mentioned in a few Astro Notes. 

 

If he shows well in pre-season I think they will find it hard to stash him. And for the reason you said in respect of Vandy I doubt they want to lose Lundt for good.

Disagree on option 1. Whether SVPG or someone else, whoever gets that spot will have C possibility. I don’t see them carrying only 2 guys who can play C. 
 

I don’t disagree on option 2, but I think it’s pretty unlikely they keep 10 OL in week 1, and borderline impossible in week 7. 
 

I thought I had read all of Joe B and Astro’s writeups, but maybe I missed one or two, or missed Lundt mentions. I actually had thought Joe B had a recent piece where he flipped into thinking Vandy was well ahead of Lundt - maybe in the rookie rundown a couple days ago? I fully admit I might be mistaken though, and don’t have time to check right now. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Cash said:

Disagree on option 1. Whether SVPG or someone else, whoever gets that spot will have C possibility. I don’t see them carrying only 2 guys who can play C. 
 

I don’t disagree on option 2, but I think it’s pretty unlikely they keep 10 OL in week 1, and borderline impossible in week 7. 
 

I thought I had read all of Joe B and Astro’s writeups, but maybe I missed one or two, or missed Lundt mentions. I actually had thought Joe B had a recent piece where he flipped into thinking Vandy was well ahead of Lundt - maybe in the rookie rundown a couple days ago? I fully admit I might be mistaken though, and don’t have time to check right now. 

 

Yea I don't think Lundt is knocking Vandy off the roster. 

 

I disagree with you on SVPG. I think he is possibly not gonna make it back off PUP thi year and even if he does his roster spot is not secure IMO.

 

10 OL... hard to see... maybe? But they have done it before.

[BigDingus]

Do Jordan Hancock or Dorian Strong count? 

 

I know they're 5th & 6th round picks, but one of those late DBs is going to become a starter. I feel it in my bones.

[BillsFanForever19]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think there are two more likely options thay unseating Vandy.

 

1. SVPG's spot. If he is unable to get on the field they will keep Lundt. He might not be a guard but they had tried Grable some at guard and he is clearly the 10th best OL and is a classic Kromer type. 

 

2. They keep a 10th OL. 

 

Unseating Vandy or Vandy being traded is very much 3rd most likely route IMO.

 

Who's the Backup at Center then?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing any Center experience for David Edwards, O'Cyrus Torrence, Alec Anderson, Tylan Grable, Ryan Van Demark, or Chase Lundt.

 

It is possible they keep a 10th OL. But like I said, the problem I see there is there's a myriad of positions where an argument is being made to keep an extra from last season. And you can't do it all.

 

WR with Moore and Shavers, OL with Lundt, LB with Thompson, Olofoshio, and Joe, CB with Strong and Ingram (or Jackson), S with Hamlin, Hancock, and Lewis.

 

There's going to be some difficult cuts with how deep we are.

Edited August 9 by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Who's the Backup at Center then?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing any Center experience for David Edwards, O'Cyrus Torrence, Alec Anderson, Tylan Grable, Ryan Van Demark, or Chase Lundt.

 

Alec Anderson was our backup center last year. He will be that again. 

 

SVPG never made it past 3rd string the entire pre-season last year. Anderson ran as the center with the 2s. He played in week 18 (Anderson played guard) and he was bad. 

 

If McGovern went down it would be Alec Anderson who played.

[Dr.Sack]

I like md Sean Dolac but Beane somehow forgot the Buffalo connection. Remember the bullets go straighter on home soil.  

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Alec Anderson was our backup center last year. He will be that again. 

 

SVPG never made it past 3rd string the entire pre-season last year. Anderson ran as the center with the 2s. He played in week 18 (Anderson played guard) and he was bad. 

 

If McGovern went down it would be Alec Anderson who played.

 

Thank you. I couldn't recall if we went without McGovern last season and who started for the last game.

 

I suppose your scenario could work. It'd be a lot on the plate of Alec Anderson and Tylan Grable. Anderson 6th OL on the field in certain packages, 1st guy up at all 3 interior spots. Tylan Grable being the first guy up at Tackle and having to also play Guard if two go down on the Interior. 

 

I must have missed SVPG being on PUP with all the injuries announced. Last update being McDermott saying it's unlikely he'll make the Pre-Season finale. If that's the case, i'd expect them to keep him on PUP or maybe even IR him. 

 

But I don't think they're going to outright cut him. Spending a Top 7 Pick in Round 5 on him last season is no minor investment, like a Late 6th or 7th. I don't think they wash their hands on his development after his Rookie year and an injured off-season.

Edited August 10 by BillsFanForever19