WGR Discussing McD's job security

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

 

 

He made the wrong move in giving Dorsey, a first time OC, the keys to the Allen engine. And then made the wrong move again when he waited that long to fire him. Waste of 2 prime seasons.

We had the #2 seed each year regardless because of the offense.  The one constant has been McDermott's defense melting down in the playoffs against elite QB's not named Lamar.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

So every other HOF QB got there how? Because McD wasn’t there for them.

Josh’s off season introspection early in his career was more attributable to Daboll and Jordan Palmer. I don’t believe McD had much to do with that at all other than to give it his blessing

 

It's crazy to me that people on here are giving McD so much credit for Josh progressing. 

 

McD is a head coach that thought Nathan Peterman was an NFL caliber starting QB. Multiple times.

 

He was comfortable going into the 2018 season with a QB depth chart of:

 

1) Peterman

2) Allen

 

And we're acting like McD is some kind of QB whisperer? 

 

I'd go so far to say that Allen's success was despite McD, not because of him. 

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Who was more important to whom. 
Daboll or Josh?

Hiw has Daboll fared without Josh, before and after?

Same question for Brady?

Same for McD.

 

How did T.Brady manage to win a SB without Billy B? Because talent shines and when put in the right situation it wins.

McD, demonstrably, does not dominate in the post season. He does not elevate.

You all can ball wash him till you’re blue in the face. He is not an elite coach. He’s good but he can’t get over the hump. And it is not for lack of repeated opportunities. FACT!

 

Brady won a super bowl when he was a 42-year-old man after getting coached by the greatest of all time for 20 years lol 

 

At that point it didn't mean much 

 

Peyton Manning went to four super bowls with four different head coaches.. that's tough to do

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I think what we will field in 2025 and what we did field in 2024 defensively is a few light years removed from the standard you're calling out. From a pure roster standpoint, we have as many bad or average units as good. If that is not the case, how is it possible that we have all this wealth of talent, an MVP QB, and an elite HC and yet..... That is the point most you people seem to miss. Allen compensating for this teams deficiencies and this regime benefiting from it will end up being one of the all time magic acts in sports history.  

 

No it will not, not even close.  

You're extremely hyperbolic.

 

That's quite the narrative.  It's magic when a QB wins it all in a season when they are favored to win every game.

 

 

[Mikie2times]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No it will not, not even close.  

You're extremely hyperbolic.

 

That's quite the narrative.  It's magic when a QB wins it all in a season when they are favored to win every game.

 

 

You're on point. Beane is the best, our roster is super high on talent, or HC is the best, our QB is the best. We just dumb luck our way out at the divisional round every year. The Chiefs are just better. The injuries. It all aligns.

 

By the way, the Jets were favored to win the division last year. We have been favored to win the Super Bowl multiple times the last 4 years. Nobody said this wasn't a good team. Team win almost 70% of regular season games with QB's that play at Allen's level. It's the playoffs when the magic show unravels.  

[TheFunPolice]

3 hours ago, eball said:

When I look at Sean McDermott I see a guy who cares passionately about his job, has fully embraced WNY and Buffalo, respects and honors the responsibility he has been given, and works tirelessly to change and improve himself along the way.  Aside from a b.s. hack job by a reporter the season after "13 seconds," there has been absolutely no evidence that players don't believe he is putting them in the best position to thrive and become the "best versions of themselves."  There is also no evidence that the Bills will suddenly fall off a cliff and cease to be one of the elite teams in the NFL.

 

I was frustrated with McDermott a couple of seasons ago when I feared perhaps he was "losing the room" but my fears were quickly assuaged once I heard the way players talk about him.

 

It is inconceivable to me that anyone believes McD will ever be on a "hot seat" in Buffalo if he continues doing what he has been doing.

 

 

agreed 100%!

 

This is why, if things don't go well for the defense yet again when it matters, I am in favor of McDermott transitioning to CEO type of HC and going and getting the best DC there is and letting that guy run his system here, just like Brady does on offense. 

 

That way you get all of the best of McDermott while the defensive system hopefully gets upgraded to something that can stop the top offenses using as much of the current talent as possible. 

 

Pete Carroll's background is defense but he isn't really thought of by many as a "defensive HC."

 

Who ever talks about "Pete Carroll's defenses"? 

 

Build a great team and let McDermott lead it. But let the coordinators do the Xs and Os and build their own schemes. 

 

 

Edited August 11 by TheFunPolice

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You're on point. Beane is the best, our roster is super high on talent, or HC is the best, our QB is the best. We just dumb luck our way out at the divisional round every year. The Chiefs are just better. The injuries. It all aligns.

 

By the way, the Jets were favored to win the division last year. We have been favored to win the Super Bowl multiple times the last 4 years. Nobody said this wasn't a good team. Team win almost 70% of regular season games with QB's that play at Allen's level. It's the playoffs when the magic show unravels.  

 

Yep.  Winning it all with a good team and being favored to win every game in the regular season....magic I tell ya if we win the Super Bowl.

Sportscaster 1: And the Bills FINALLY win it all!

Sportscaster 2: I don't know how they were able to do it being favored in every regular season game.  It was magic!

 

One site had the Jets winning it all....all the others had the Bills.

 

33 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I think what we will field in 2025 and what we did field in 2024 defensively is a few light years removed from the standard you're calling out. From a pure roster standpoint, we have as many bad or average units as good. If that is not the case, how is it possible that we have all this wealth of talent, an MVP QB, and an elite HC and yet..... That is the point most you people seem to miss. Allen compensating for this teams deficiencies and this regime benefiting from it will end up being one of the all time magic acts in sports history.  

 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

agreed 100%!

 

This is why, if things don't go well for the defense yet again when it matters, I am in favor of McDermott transitioning to CEO type of HC and going and getting the best DC there is and letting that guy run his system here, just like Brady does on offense. 

 

That way you get all of the best of McDermott while the defensive system hopefully gets upgraded to something that can stop the top offenses using as much of the current talent as possible. 

 

Would McDermott want to give up control of the defense. He seems very involved when it comes to that side of the ball. Offense is a little different since he came up the coaching ranks on the defensive side so I can see him letting his OC run the show. Defense I am not so sure.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yep.  Winning it all with a good team and being favored to win every game in the regular season....magic I tell ya if we win the Super Bowl.

Sportscaster 1: And the Bills FINALLY win it all!

Sportscaster 2: I don't know how they were able to do it being favored in every regular season game.  It was magic!

 

One site had the Jets winning it all....all the others had the Bills.

 

 

Some people SEVERELY underrate the other football players on the bills 

 

We have a very good roster 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Some people SEVERELY underrate the other football players on the bills 

 

We have a very good roster 

 

Tied for the most over under wins at 11.5 win the Ravens and Eagles but if we win it all, it'll be magic lol.

[Bill from NYC]

On 8/8/2025 at 12:18 PM, Charles Romes said:

If you are looking to give him a pass look to the Tre white in his prime injury which had a devastating impact on three seasons. There are only a handful of true lockdown CBs in the league at any time and he was one of them. If you have one, you build much of your defense around him. You don’t see too many teams win it all losing a top 5 player at a key position. 

Good point. He should have focused much more on cornerbacks.

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Would McDermott want to give up control of the defense. He seems very involved when it comes to that side of the ball. Offense is a little different since he came up the coaching ranks on the defensive side so I can see him letting his OC run the show. Defense I am not so sure.

 

I think he found, or at least was looking for, a middle ground with the new coaching hires. They made a point of bringing in fresh perspectives to try to improve in certain areas, then drafted almost all defense. Sure, some shortcomings will appear (that’s life), but you can’t say they aren’t trying to step it up a notch. I give them credit for that. Now I just hope it works.

 

 

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Edited August 11 by Augie

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Would McDermott want to give up control of the defense. He seems very involved when it comes to that side of the ball. Offense is a little different since he came up the coaching ranks on the defensive side so I can see him letting his OC run the show. Defense I am not so sure.

 

Hard to say... 

 

I would imagine it would be tough for him, but then again, if he DID go the CEO route he could go down as one of the all time greats if he gets Allen's entire career plus a few years after. 

 

It could be sold to him, I think. Many legendary coaches aren't thought of by many as being from one side of the ball. 

 

John Madden: he was just a football coach. 

Vince Lombardi: also a football coach 

 

That's a high bar, but say he goes CEO route here, hire a Fangio type whose defense works in big moments in today's game, and wins 2-3 Super Bowls and coaches here for 20 years. His name would be up there with those guys when it's all said and done. 

 

And people will remember most the flashy QB, big games, and say McDermott was just a great football coach. 

 

[ColoradoBills]

43 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I'd go so far to say that Allen's success was despite McD, not because of him. 

 

That statement has no basis in reality and has been contradicted by Josh Allen many times.

 

Beane and McDermott surrounded Josh with the personnel and tools he needed to develop.

 

[T.E.]

46 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

He was comfortable going into the 2018 season with a QB depth chart of:

 

1) Peterman

2) Allen

 

And we're acting like McD is some kind of QB whisperer?  

It's still hilarious that McDermott oversaw a QB competition between the worst player in franchise history and the best player in franchise history, and he came away from it declaring the former to have won. What an eye for offensive talent!

[HamptonBillsfan]

Sean’s ass should be on the hot seat. He’s a big culture guy that isn’t building a culture by lamenting Cook not playing in the preseason game before getting extended. Benford, who’s been extended, criticized Cook as well. He should tell Beane, get my AllPro back signed before the next game or risk losing him for the Ravens opener. With a new stadium coming next season, why would they play hardball with a great back who’s 25 years old. All the other players in their walk year have been resigned. Sean does not have the resume to survive a down year plus he’s a defensive coach with arguably the best QB in football.  Not saying a defensive minded coach can’t win a SB, but his defense stunk last year, unable to pressure the QB or stop great running attacks.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Tied for the most over under wins at 11.5 win the Ravens and Eagles but if we win it all, it'll be magic lol.

I should see if some of these people want to purchase this bridge I have in Brooklyn

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Some people SEVERELY underrate the other football players on the bills 

 

We have a very good roster 

There's a gap between how a lot of Bills fans view our roster outside of QB and how it's viewed nationally.  ESPN had us ranked as the #6 overall non QB roster in its power rankings today projecting over the next three years citing Dawkins, Brown, Benford, Shakir, Cook, Rousseau, and Bernard.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I should see if some of these people want to purchase this bridge I have in Brooklyn

 

 

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Tied for the most over under wins at 11.5 win the Ravens and Eagles but if we win it all, it'll be magic lol.

I mean if the entire roster in fact that good, they will win at least one, if not several. I will eat my crow happily and it will be a great thing. 8 years down, how many more we have left? 6-7 years?  

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

I mean if the entire roster in fact that good, they will win at least one, if not several. I will eat my crow happily and it will be a great thing. 8 years down, how many more we have left? 6-7 years?  

John elway didn't win his super bowls till his last 2 years... He was way way over his prime 

 

31 other franchises every year are saying why wasn't it us... Whether it happens in 7 months or in 2 years I believe Josh will get it done