Training Camp 8/6

[streetkings01]

7 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I could be mistaken, but isn't what you posted above the Damar Hamlin Game.  I believe it ended, during the Bengals second possession. 

 

How about the blowout in the playoffs?  It seems to me, they ran wild on our secondary. 

He didn’t play in that playoff game…..he missed like the last 5 games his rookie season + playoffs. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

If Coleman becomes Tee Higgins (minus the injuries) I think the majority of us would be very satisfied with the pick. 

The Tee Higgins comp is very good.

is Coleman as good as Higgins today?

No. 

But Higgins is the same style of WR.  I’m hoping that Keon comes close to Higgins as a ceiling. 

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, Dan said:

As someone that really wants them to sign a deal with Cook, I would not allow a “hold in”.  If he doesn’t want to participate and help the team, he should go home and wait till the business gets resolved.    
 

Fines or not, I don’t really care about.  But I would not allow someone to just pace around with a sour attitude (granted that is based of extremely limited views on a couple X clips).   Show up, work, help the team or go home till your agent calls you.  (And depending on how his agent handles the negotiations, fines may or may not be coming.) 

 

None of what you're proposing is how the NFL works, at all. Nor is Cook being accused of having "a sour attitude." Your 'old school' approach to managing a drafted RB's contract year training camp tactics would only make things worse. The goal should be to pave the way for James Cook to ball out in 2025 and maximize his 2026 FA value. The thing to avoid is a publicly contentious stalemate that results in the player requesting a trade (unless of course someone wants to offer real value for said player who we otherwise know the Bills at best will receive a mid-round compensatory pick). Can't guarantee Cook won't amplify his offseason "business" strategies, but the Bills can aim to respectfully endure and de-escalate. 

 

5 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Every day of non participation is another two- hundred & fifty thousand off his new deal, if I’m Beane…,  he’s out 1/2 a million already…, 

 

That's just not how anything works either. Your hardline stance would make things worse, rather than better.

 

Cook's contract demands wouldn't change AT ALL based on your proposed punitive, cumulative 'hold-in' reductions to a Bills offer that is already below the player's perceived market, and in fact would likely result in that player feeling insulted and less willing to participate at all in offseason practices and preparations. Cook's recent hold-in is perfectly understandable for a guy who doesn't want to expose himself to injury during the preseason, while also maximizing exposure during the filming of Hard Knocks. NFL contracts are not guaranteed, so guys entering their final seasons are risking everything while their orgs are risking nothing. 

 

I side with the players, always. They create the value, not the owners. Teams should be non-profit orgs like the Packers. Owners are not necessary. Public/taxpayer money and TV/streaming contracts make it all happen anyways. 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's Keon beating one of the most physical CBs in the game off the line, then beating him again at the catch point.

Or its an average WR that can't separate beating a #1CB that is grossly overrated by this fan base... I'm kidding...Oh wait am I? 

 

Yes I'm kidding. Great throw.  Beautiful route and even better catch!

[Sierra Foothills]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

At this rate Ray Davis will be our starting RB and we’ll have Terry McClaurin at wide out making 35M at age 30, 31, 32 and no 1st rd pick for 2 seasons.  

 

Don't forget Micah Parsons!

 

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Of course I'm not going to overreact to one rep. I like that there's been a clear upwards trajectory from day one of camp and Coleman's seemingly become Allen's favorite target. We'll know more when the reps are happening in real games.

 

What a lot of the others continue to forget/ignore/didn't know is that Josh has a lot at stake in seeing Keon succeed.

 

Josh had significant input in the draft selection of Keon.

 

If you're a wide receiver and your QB is one of the greatest in the game and wants you to succeed...

 

[eball]

Spencer Brown is a character.  Apparently he was put on a “pitch count” for live reps yesterday but when Beach Chairs asked him to come off he shot him the bird and stayed out for about ten more. 🤣

 

He also said the back is a non issue; he tweaked it doing a different exercise so he knows not to do that one any more.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 11:03 AM by eball

[Don Otreply]

6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

None of what you're proposing is how the NFL works, at all. Nor is Cook being accused of having "a sour attitude." Your 'old school' approach to managing a drafted RB's contract year training camp tactics would only make things worse. The goal should be to pave the way for James Cook to ball out in 2025 and maximize his 2026 FA value. The thing to avoid is a publicly contentious stalemate that results in the player requesting a trade (unless of course someone wants to offer real value for said player who we otherwise know the Bills at best will receive a mid-round compensatory pick). Can't guarantee Cook won't amplify his offseason "business" strategies, but the Bills can aim to respectfully endure and de-escalate. 

 

 

That's just not how anything works either. Your hardline stance would make things worse, rather than better.

 

Cook's contract demands wouldn't change AT ALL based on your proposed punitive, cumulative 'hold-in' reductions to a Bills offer that is already below the player's perceived market, and in fact would likely result in that player feeling insulted and less willing to participate at all in offseason practices and preparations. Cook's recent hold-in is perfectly understandable for a guy who doesn't want to expose himself to injury during the preseason, while also maximizing exposure during the filming of Hard Knocks. NFL contracts are not guaranteed, so guys entering their final seasons are risking everything while their orgs are risking nothing. 

 

I side with the players, always. They create the value, not the owners. Teams should be non-profit orgs like the Packers. Owners are not necessary. Public/taxpayer money and TV/streaming contracts make it all happen anyways. 

 

I don’t side with either, the players tactics are childish, management is only interested in the bottom line, frankly the entire system is arbitrary and capricious, and is nothing but theatre, 

[Gregg]

With the Giants game two days from now any word on who the Bills starting QB will be? 

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

With the Giants game two days from now any word on who the Bills starting QB will be? 

Yeah, McD said Josh will not play and Trubisky will get the start.

[Dan]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

None of what you're proposing is how the NFL works, at all. Nor is Cook being accused of having "a sour attitude." Your 'old school' approach to managing a drafted RB's contract year training camp tactics would only make things worse. The goal should be to pave the way for James Cook to ball out in 2025 and maximize his 2026 FA value. The thing to avoid is a publicly contentious stalemate that results in the player requesting a trade (unless of course someone wants to offer real value for said player who we otherwise know the Bills at best will receive a mid-round compensatory pick). Can't guarantee Cook won't amplify his offseason "business" strategies, but the Bills can aim to respectfully endure and de-escalate. 

 

 

That's just not how anything works either. Your hardline stance would make things worse, rather than better.

 

Cook's contract demands wouldn't change AT ALL based on your proposed punitive, cumulative 'hold-in' reductions to a Bills offer that is already below the player's perceived market, and in fact would likely result in that player feeling insulted and less willing to participate at all in offseason practices and preparations. Cook's recent hold-in is perfectly understandable for a guy who doesn't want to expose himself to injury during the preseason, while also maximizing exposure during the filming of Hard Knocks. NFL contracts are not guaranteed, so guys entering their final seasons are risking everything while their orgs are risking nothing. 

 

I side with the players, always. They create the value, not the owners. Teams should be non-profit orgs like the Packers. Owners are not necessary. Public/taxpayer money and TV/streaming contracts make it all happen anyways. 

 

I don’t completely disagree with you. My suggestion is not what happens in the NFL.  And I admittedly said my “sour attitude” comment was based on the few short vids that were posted.  I don’t know his real attitude.   With that all said… 

 

The player is making it public when he posts on his social accounts.  Or when he “holds in”.    So it’s already public.  All I’m saying is show up and do your job while you’re still under contract, or don’t.    Let’s not forget, his current contract is good and valid. 
 

Has he out performed that contract and deserve a new bigger one? Absolutely.  The only question is how much should he make now.    The Bills want him to stay in Buffalo… that is well apparent.   Beane has always been very fair with contracts, as well.  For this one to be dragging on makes me think it’s the player or his agent.  
 

Like I’ve said in the past… pay the man.  It’s not my money, I don’t care the amount.   He needs to be on the team.   A big however though… it’s Beane’s job to manage the cap, manage ALL the contracts, manage the situation.  So we have to trust that he’s doing just that.  Nothing in his past has suggested that he is low balling a player.   So again with that all said… if he’s being fair.. the player should be fair.. show up and participate while your agent and the team handle their business.   If not.. then just go home and don’t be a distraction. 
 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, eball said:

Spencer Brown is a character.  Apparently he was put on a “pitch count” for live reps yesterday but when Beach Chairs asked him to come off he shot him the bird and stayed out for about ten more. 🤣

 

He also said the back is a non issue; he tweaked it doing a different exercise so he knows not to do that one any more.

 

Brown flipped the bird at Deck Chairs?

 

I wonder if he's gonna threaten to kill Brown's family now.

 

[JerseyBills]

22 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Feel like this is a double entandre,  kid must be crushed for ending the season how they did, I got 10 years on him, I know I'd be 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

17 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Feel like this is a double entandre,  kid must be crushed for ending the season how they did, I got 10 years on him, I know I'd be 

It was a hard play to make. 

Think how bad Andrews must feel dropping that 2 pt conversion. 

[Richard Noggin]

12 hours ago, Dan said:

I don’t completely disagree with you. My suggestion is not what happens in the NFL.  And I admittedly said my “sour attitude” comment was based on the few short vids that were posted.  I don’t know his real attitude.   With that all said… 

 

The player is making it public when he posts on his social accounts.  Or when he “holds in”.    So it’s already public.  All I’m saying is show up and do your job while you’re still under contract, or don’t.    Let’s not forget, his current contract is good and valid. 
 

Has he out performed that contract and deserve a new bigger one? Absolutely.  The only question is how much should he make now.    The Bills want him to stay in Buffalo… that is well apparent.   Beane has always been very fair with contracts, as well.  For this one to be dragging on makes me think it’s the player or his agent.  
 

Like I’ve said in the past… pay the man.  It’s not my money, I don’t care the amount.   He needs to be on the team.   A big however though… it’s Beane’s job to manage the cap, manage ALL the contracts, manage the situation.  So we have to trust that he’s doing just that.  Nothing in his past has suggested that he is low balling a player.   So again with that all said… if he’s being fair.. the player should be fair.. show up and participate while your agent and the team handle their business.   If not.. then just go home and don’t be a distraction. 
 

 

 

I believe Beane is clearly not willing to meet Cook's desired AAV, and therefore it's on Cook to either hold-in/out and/or request a trade, and whether to finally report and play Wk 1 when none of that other stuff works.

 

Maybe adding new performance accelerators or bonus money just for 2025 could be a middle ground? Is there any precedent for that approach? 

 

23 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Or its an average WR that can't separate beating a #1CB that is grossly overrated by this fan base... I'm kidding...Oh wait am I? 

 

Yes I'm kidding. Great throw.  Beautiful route and even better catch!

 

Allen's mechanics are more and more like Aaron Rodgers', as loath as I am to even type it. 

On 8/6/2025 at 2:25 PM, HappyDays said:

 

 

Edited Friday at 03:34 AM by Richard Noggin