Training Camp 8/6

[Cubanmist 1]

3 hours ago, zevo said:

wasn't Colemans drop rate in college ridiculously low? 

Who was throwing to him though? Not a QB who throws hard I bet. 

[Cubanmist 1]

2 hours ago, Brand J said:

He was when the pads weren’t on. The pads came on and he was injured a bit, but it doesn’t sound like he’s standing out like he was earlier according to this Mike Rose guy. I do think Moore being in danger of getting cut might be an exaggeration.

I feel that a surprise player will be cut or traded in order to make room for the resigning /extension of Cook.

 

Honestly, Deon Cain and Wilkerson have been a lot more consistent and available than Moore has.

[co_springs_billsfan]

Wait! Did we just go through a practice day with no new injuries!?

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

I feel that a surprise player will be cut or traded in order to make room for the resigning /extension of Cook.

 

Honestly, Deon Cain and Wilkerson have been a lot more consistent and available than Moore has.

 

What do you mean "make room for?" Cook is under contract and on the active roster. Don't need to make room for him.

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think you’re making things up.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=ja'marr+chase+stats+vs+buffalo+bills

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/jamar-chase-vs-broncos
 

Chase the last time we met had 4 catches for 41 yards.

I think it might be Chase’s personal best.

I could be mistaken, but isn't what you posted above the Damar Hamlin Game.  I believe it ended, during the Bengals second possession. 

 

How about the blowout in the playoffs?  It seems to me, they ran wild on our secondary. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

5 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

Wait! Did we just go through a practice day with no new injuries!?

Well they did waive Spector 

[FLFan]

3 hours ago, Brand J said:

According to Joe B, Jordan Hancock has been more impressive at safety than Forrest, which of course is intriguing and disappointing at the same time.

I am not sure why a low round draft choice performing at an NFL level better than an NFL veteran safety is disappointing.  You should be ecstatic.  I am sure the Bills are.  

[Chandler#81]

8 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

Wait! Did we just go through a practice day with no new injuries!?

It’s early yet. There’s rubber mats in the dorms..

[Brand J]

Just now, FLFan said:

I am not sure why a low round draft choice performing at an NFL level better than an NFL veteran safety is disappointing.  You should be ecstatic.  I am sure the Bills are.  

It’s disappointing only because I had a higher opinion of Forrest.

[Cubanmist 1]

7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

What do you mean "make room for?" Cook is under contract and on the active roster. Don't need to make room for him.

To work out an extension is what I mean. 

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

What, three years ago?

 

Dude.

 

I'm not saying he isn't a good player, or maybe even in that top 10-15 tier.  I just don't agree with a graph, that is trying to tell me he's as good as Patrick Surtain, and way better than Stingley. That's all.

 

But as I said in the post, I do acknowledge that he's improved a little bit each year, and is having his best camp to date.  Hopefully this is the year. 

 

All that being said, our biggest issue has been the lack of pressure by our dline, especially in the playoffs against inferior olines.   

[Draconator]

8 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

How about the blowout in the playoffs?  It seems to me, they ran wild on our secondary. 

Like it happened yesterday? Geesh.

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

To work out an extension is what I mean. 

Yeah but I don't understand why you think we need to cut someone for it? 

[dickleyjones]

46 minutes ago, balln said:

He’s gonna be a non factor this year and likely his ceiling is AJe / washed Trent Murphy 

well i'm glad we have that answered

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I could be mistaken, but isn't what you posted above the Damar Hamlin Game.  I believe it ended, during the Bengals second possession. 

 

How about the blowout in the playoffs?  It seems to me, they ran wild on our secondary. 

 

5 receptions 61 yards and a TD was his playoff line.

 

Regardless if it was the Hamlin game, you made the comment that Benford struggled against him.  He may or may have the next 3 quarters so you can't make any determination or even know the coverage called on that play.  

 

For reference vs the Broncos last year, Chase went

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=ja'marr+chase+game+log+vs+broncos

9 for 102 yards

 

 

[Allen2Moulds]

4 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Like it happened yesterday? Geesh.

I'm glad it wasn't yesterday, and really hoping all the defensive additions, finally show up in the playoffs.  I will admit, that I probably do magnify things.  In the Cincy blowout, the passing TD's looked too easy, and maybe I'm incorrectly assigning Benford blame.  Right now, I have deep trust issues with our defense.  Milano although older, has proven to be a star.  Tre pre-injury, I would say was also a star.  Outside of that, just a bunch of guys to me.

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

5 receptions 61 yards and a TD was his playoff line.

 

Regardless if it was the Hamlin game, you made the comment that Benford struggled against him.  He may or may have the next 3 quarters so you can't make any determination or even know the coverage called on that play.  

 

For reference vs the Broncos last year, Chase went

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=ja'marr+chase+game+log+vs+broncos

9 for 102 yards

 

 

Fair enough.  I will gladly be wrong on this.  

[YattaOkasan]

7 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I'm glad it wasn't yesterday, and really hoping all the defensive additions, finally show up in the playoffs.  I will admit, that I probably do magnify things.  In the Cincy blowout, the passing TD's looked too easy, and maybe I'm incorrectly assigning Benford blame.  Right now, I have deep trust issues with our defense.  Milano although older, has proven to be a star.  Tre pre-injury, I would say was also a star.  Outside of that, just a bunch of guys to me.

Fair enough.  I will gladly be wrong on this.  

The analytics aint perfect for sure and the eye test still matters.  but with this much data pointing one way you sorta need to say what is analytics missing.  For example with Josh, everyone predicted he would bust because of completion % in college, but what was missing was that Josh didnt have all the reps (likely had like 10k less throws than his peers) that players in the historical data set did.  I dont think its terrible to question his ability in man as that has come along lately and he doesnt come off as an athletic freak (good RAS of 8.14, but poor agility).  I think the all 22 would be telling as he is every bit the technician that Tre was/is but better explosion.  

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I could be mistaken, but isn't what you posted above the Damar Hamlin Game.  I believe it ended, during the Bengals second possession. 

 

How about the blowout in the playoffs?  It seems to me, they ran wild on our secondary. 

It was the last time we played them which was in Cinnci in ‘23. Chase was 4/41.

 

The Hamlin game ended nine minutes into the first quarter with the Bengals leading 7-3. There are no stats from that game. Boyd had the erased TD pass from Burrow. 
 

Benford didn’t play in the playoff game three weeks later so there’s just no record of how he fared vs Chase. And we don’t know how much of that 4/41 night in ‘23 was against Benford, regardless. 
 

I’ll say this; as good as Benford is, he is not as good a CB as Chase is a WR. No shame in that though. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

45 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

Who was throwing to him though? Not a QB who throws hard I bet. 

I remember FSU's top 3 QB's went down his last year there didn't they?

[K-9]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

5 receptions 61 yards and a TD was his playoff line.

 

Regardless if it was the Hamlin game, you made the comment that Benford struggled against him.  He may or may have the next 3 quarters so you can't make any determination or even know the coverage called on that play.  

 

For reference vs the Broncos last year, Chase went

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask?q=ja'marr+chase+game+log+vs+broncos

9 for 102 yards

 

 

Benford  isn’t listed in the snap counts so apparently didn’t play in the playoff game, anyway.