Way To Early 53 man Roster prediction. 45 Picked. You fill the last 8

[gonzo1105]

My Post Week 1 53 Roster would be:

 

QB: Josh Allen, Mitch Trubisky (2)

RB: James Cook, Ray Davis, Ty Johnson (3)

FB: Reggie Gilliam (1)

WR: Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer, Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers (6)

TE: Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Jackson Hawes (3)

OL: Dion Dawkins, David Edwards, Connor McGovern, O'Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Alec Anderson, Tylan Grable, Ryan Van DeMark, Chase Lundt (9)

 

DE: Joey Bosa, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Javon Solomon, Landon Jackson (5)

DT: Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, T.J. Sanders, Deone Walker, DeWayne Carter (5)

LB: Matt Milano, Terrell Bernard, Dorian Williams, Joe Andreessen, Shaq Thompson (5) 

CB: Christian Benford, Max Hairston, Tre White, Dorian Strong, Taron Johnson, Brandon Codrington (6)

S: Cole Bishop, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Jordan Hancock, Cam Lewis (5)

 

K: Bass (1)

P: Robbins (1)

LS: Ferguson (1) 

 

 

Season Ending IR: Sedrick Van Pran 

Suspension: Michael Hoecht, Larry Ogunjobi

 

- I think it would just be easy to stash Van Pran on season ending IR and give him that extra year without having to use a roster spot on him. I think this is why they signed Dan Feeney to be the Will Clapp of this year to be the guy to go from the Practice Squad to the 53 when needed. If Van Pran is ready to go, I think that makes RVD a possibly trade candidate at cut down time. 

 

- I think when Hoecht and Ogunjobi come off of the Suspended list that there is a real possibility you see A.J Epenesa traded, and DaQuan Jones being released or coming down with an injury that essentially ends his football season. 

 

- My last guys to make the roster was Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Shaq Thompson. I see Thompson as another option to be a guy who gets cut but lands on the Practice Squad as an insurance policy. I just dont know who right now would be that 5th LB. Need to see more before I move Thompson off this roster. I think as of right now both Moore and Shavers would make the team but I don't think either is a lock right now. 

[BillsFanForever19]

11 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

My Post Week 1 53 Roster would be:

 

QB: Josh Allen, Mitch Trubisky (2)

RB: James Cook, Ray Davis, Ty Johnson (3)

FB: Reggie Gilliam (1)

WR: Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer, Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers (6)

TE: Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Jackson Hawes (3)

OL: Dion Dawkins, David Edwards, Connor McGovern, O'Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Alec Anderson, Tylan Grable, Ryan Van DeMark, Chase Lundt (9)

 

DE: Joey Bosa, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Javon Solomon, Landon Jackson (5)

DT: Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, T.J. Sanders, Deone Walker, DeWayne Carter (5)

LB: Matt Milano, Terrell Bernard, Dorian Williams, Joe Andreessen, Shaq Thompson (5) 

CB: Christian Benford, Max Hairston, Tre White, Dorian Strong, Taron Johnson, Brandon Codrington (6)

S: Cole Bishop, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Jordan Hancock, Cam Lewis (5)

 

K: Bass (1)

P: Robbins (1)

LS: Ferguson (1) 

 

 

Season Ending IR: Sedrick Van Pran 

Suspension: Michael Hoecht, Larry Ogunjobi

 

- I think it would just be easy to stash Van Pran on season ending IR and give him that extra year without having to use a roster spot on him. I think this is why they signed Dan Feeney to be the Will Clapp of this year to be the guy to go from the Practice Squad to the 53 when needed. If Van Pran is ready to go, I think that makes RVD a possibly trade candidate at cut down time. 

 

- I think when Hoecht and Ogunjobi come off of the Suspended list that there is a real possibility you see A.J Epenesa traded, and DaQuan Jones being released or coming down with an injury that essentially ends his football season. 

 

- My last guys to make the roster was Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Shaq Thompson. I see Thompson as another option to be a guy who gets cut but lands on the Practice Squad as an insurance policy. I just dont know who right now would be that 5th LB. Need to see more before I move Thompson off this roster. I think as of right now both Moore and Shavers would make the team but I don't think either is a lock right now. 

 

We have the exact same roster 👍

[juno999]

13 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

My Post Week 1 53 Roster would be:

 

QB: Josh Allen, Mitch Trubisky (2)

RB: James Cook, Ray Davis, Ty Johnson (3)

FB: Reggie Gilliam (1)

WR: Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer, Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers (6)

TE: Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Jackson Hawes (3)

OL: Dion Dawkins, David Edwards, Connor McGovern, O'Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Alec Anderson, Tylan Grable, Ryan Van DeMark, Chase Lundt (9)

 

DE: Joey Bosa, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Javon Solomon, Landon Jackson (5)

DT: Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, T.J. Sanders, Deone Walker, DeWayne Carter (5)

LB: Matt Milano, Terrell Bernard, Dorian Williams, Joe Andreessen, Shaq Thompson (5) 

CB: Christian Benford, Max Hairston, Tre White, Dorian Strong, Taron Johnson, Brandon Codrington (6)

S: Cole Bishop, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Jordan Hancock, Cam Lewis (5)

 

K: Bass (1)

P: Robbins (1)

LS: Ferguson (1) 

 

 

Season Ending IR: Sedrick Van Pran 

Suspension: Michael Hoecht, Larry Ogunjobi

 

- I think it would just be easy to stash Van Pran on season ending IR and give him that extra year without having to use a roster spot on him. I think this is why they signed Dan Feeney to be the Will Clapp of this year to be the guy to go from the Practice Squad to the 53 when needed. If Van Pran is ready to go, I think that makes RVD a possibly trade candidate at cut down time. 

 

- I think when Hoecht and Ogunjobi come off of the Suspended list that there is a real possibility you see A.J Epenesa traded, and DaQuan Jones being released or coming down with an injury that essentially ends his football season. 

 

- My last guys to make the roster was Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Shaq Thompson. I see Thompson as another option to be a guy who gets cut but lands on the Practice Squad as an insurance policy. I just dont know who right now would be that 5th LB. Need to see more before I move Thompson off this roster. I think as of right now both Moore and Shavers would make the team but I don't think either is a lock right now. 

Nice work Gonzo. Pretty much have similar thoughts. Do you think Shenault has any chance to make 53 or do you believe Codrington has it locked up?

[PrimeTime101]

15 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

My Post Week 1 53 Roster would be:

 

QB: Josh Allen, Mitch Trubisky (2)

RB: James Cook, Ray Davis, Ty Johnson (3)

FB: Reggie Gilliam (1)

WR: Khalil Shakir, Keon Coleman, Josh Palmer, Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers (6)

TE: Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Jackson Hawes (3)

OL: Dion Dawkins, David Edwards, Connor McGovern, O'Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Alec Anderson, Tylan Grable, Ryan Van DeMark, Chase Lundt (9)

 

DE: Joey Bosa, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Javon Solomon, Landon Jackson (5)

DT: Ed Oliver, DaQuan Jones, T.J. Sanders, Deone Walker, DeWayne Carter (5)

LB: Matt Milano, Terrell Bernard, Dorian Williams, Joe Andreessen, Shaq Thompson (5) 

CB: Christian Benford, Max Hairston, Tre White, Dorian Strong, Taron Johnson, Brandon Codrington (6)

S: Cole Bishop, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Jordan Hancock, Cam Lewis (5)

 

K: Bass (1)

P: Robbins (1)

LS: Ferguson (1) 

 

 

Season Ending IR: Sedrick Van Pran 

Suspension: Michael Hoecht, Larry Ogunjobi

 

- I think it would just be easy to stash Van Pran on season ending IR and give him that extra year without having to use a roster spot on him. I think this is why they signed Dan Feeney to be the Will Clapp of this year to be the guy to go from the Practice Squad to the 53 when needed. If Van Pran is ready to go, I think that makes RVD a possibly trade candidate at cut down time. 

 

- I think when Hoecht and Ogunjobi come off of the Suspended list that there is a real possibility you see A.J Epenesa traded, and DaQuan Jones being released or coming down with an injury that essentially ends his football season. 

 

- My last guys to make the roster was Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Shaq Thompson. I see Thompson as another option to be a guy who gets cut but lands on the Practice Squad as an insurance policy. I just dont know who right now would be that 5th LB. Need to see more before I move Thompson off this roster. I think as of right now both Moore and Shavers would make the team but I don't think either is a lock right now. 

really nice work man.

[gonzo1105]

11 minutes ago, juno999 said:

Nice work Gonzo. Pretty much have similar thoughts. Do you think Shenault has any chance to make 53 or do you believe Codrington has it locked up?

 

Yea I think its a possibility especially with Tabor and him having a prior relationship but I would put it at like 70/30 cut. I think it just makes sense to keep Shavers as the ST's WR on the roster especially since the Bills have invested the time in developing him over the last two years. 

[JerseyBills]

Ogunjobi for sure, very deep DL

[Richard Noggin]

Anybody like Hamler over Moore for the 53? Bit of a longshot, and probably doesn't work because Elijah if waived is "Moore" likely to get scooped than KJ, but Hamler just seems like a guy who can contribute. If he ends up on the PS, then that's probably ideal. 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Anybody like Hamler over Moore for the 53? Bit of a longshot, and probably doesn't work because Elijah if waived is "Moore" likely to get scooped than KJ, but Hamler just seems like a guy who can contribute. If he ends up on the PS, then that's probably ideal. 

 

No, KJ Hamler isn't making this roster. After Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, and Samuel - there's only really 3 WR's in play for the 53. Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Laviska Shenault (only for his potential to be our Returns guy). 

 

If Moore doesn't make the team, than that means either one or both of Shavers and/or Shenault made it - depending on if we keep 5 or 6.

 

I do think his speed, experience, return ability, and familiarity in the building makes him a favorite for once again sticking as one of the 2-3 WR's on the Practice Squad. But the 53 isn't happening unless something catastrophic goes down between now and Week 1.

 

6 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Season Ending IR: Sedrick Van Pran 

Suspension: Michael Hoecht, Larry Ogunjobi

 

- I think it would just be easy to stash Van Pran on season ending IR and give him that extra year without having to use a roster spot on him. I think this is why they signed Dan Feeney to be the Will Clapp of this year to be the guy to go from the Practice Squad to the 53 when needed. If Van Pran is ready to go, I think that makes RVD a possibly trade candidate at cut down time. 

 

- I think when Hoecht and Ogunjobi come off of the Suspended list that there is a real possibility you see A.J Epenesa traded, and DaQuan Jones being released or coming down with an injury that essentially ends his football season. 

 

- My last guys to make the roster was Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Shaq Thompson. I see Thompson as another option to be a guy who gets cut but lands on the Practice Squad as an insurance policy. I just dont know who right now would be that 5th LB. Need to see more before I move Thompson off this roster. I think as of right now both Moore and Shavers would make the team but I don't think either is a lock right now. 

 

I don't think SVPG is going to be put on Season Ending IR. I'm not even entirely sure if you can put a guy on PUP (as he is now) and then switch them to season ending IR. He'll stay on the PUP list and they'll revisit the situation when he's healthy. 

 

When it comes to Hoecht and Ogunjobi, there's really no point in wondering how they'll make room for them now. Week 8 is a lifetime away in Football. And the odds that we'll have a completely healthy team and won't have a player or two that need to be made roster exempt by way of IR by then is unfortunately pretty slim. There may even be injuries along the DL that will allow them to seamlessly be brought on without anyone leaving.

 

And I wouldn't be so quick to move Thompson off the roster. He offers a lot of flexibility as far as Outside, Inside, and even Big Nickel. He also provides a lot of experience and leadership to a relatively young LB core. And like you alluded to, we aren't particularly deep at the position. Especially after the release of Baylon Spector. The only way I don't see him making it is if they decide to keep only 5 LB's and they aren't ready to move on from Olofoshio.

Edited August 13 by BillsFanForever19

[Chandler#81]

This is a cop out PT101.

There isn’t anyone here who can’t list the top 45.

🙄

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No, KJ Hamler isn't making this roster. After Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, and Samuel - there's only really 3 WR's in play for the 53. Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, and Laviska Shenault (only for his potential to be our Returns guy). 

 

If Moore doesn't make the team, than that means either one or both of Shavers and/or Shenault made it - depending on if we keep 5 or 6.

 

I do think his speed, experience, return ability, and familiarity in the building makes him a favorite for once again sticking as one of the 2-3 WR's on the Practice Squad. But the 53 isn't happening unless something catastrophic goes down between now and Week 1.

 

 

I don't think SVPG is going to be put on Season Ending IR. I'm not even entirely sure if you can put a guy on PUP (as he is now) and then switch them to season ending IR. He'll stay on the PUP list and they'll revisit the situation when he's healthy. 

 

When it comes to Hoecht and Ogunjobi, there's really no point in wondering how they'll make room for them now. Week 8 is a lifetime away in Football. And the odds that we'll have a completely healthy team and won't have a player or two that need to be made roster exempt by way of IR by then is unfortunately pretty slim. There may even be injuries along the DL that will allow them to seamlessly be brought on without anyone leaving.

 

And I wouldn't be so quick to move Thompson off the roster. He offers a lot of flexibility as far as Outside, Inside, and even Big Nickel. He also provides a lot of experience and leadership to a relatively young LB core. And like you alluded to, we aren't particularly deep at the position. Especially after the release of Baylon Spector. The only way I don't see him making it is if they decide to keep only 5 LB's and they aren't ready to move on from Olofoshio.

 

Agree on the receivers. I actually think with Samuel hurt again (and I sensed some real frustration in the way McDermott spoke about him yesterday) there are only three sure things - Shakir, Palmer, Coleman. I'd then price Samuel up as 4th fav and likely to make it but if he can't get back on the field before pre-season game 3 not an absolute slam dunk. Then Moore still I think just ahead of Shavers but that job is more open than I believed going into camp. 

 

On SVPG it really depends what is up with him. They described it as a "calf" initially but for him to still be on PUP after 3 weeks of camp with a calf does strike me as a little bit odd. The rules on PUP are if you end up on the reserve/PUP list at cutdowns you are out for the first 4 games. But then you have a five week window (so until week 9) to begin practicing and then after he starts practicing a 3 week window (until week 12) to be added to the active roster. If a player either doesn't hit the 5 week window or the 3 week window they are then done for the year. 

 

I don't believe you can be moved directly from PUP to IR. I think you would have to come off PUP to an active roster designation and then be IR'd. And obviously you need the roster spot to do that moving about with. 

[3rdand12]

21 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Whom and for what?

 

The odds of a player for player trade where we're going to upgrade somewhere is extremely slim. So if we're moving someone, it's probably going to be for some kind of picks in 2026.

 

I'd rather keep the kind of players that we'd get picks for from other teams as depth rather than get stuff that isn't going to help us now. Unless it's someone we were going to cut anyways.

 

Hardly likely and not thought out well by me , more fanciful than reality

 But even if we got something for next year from a depth player , I would be okay with that.

 Thanks19

18 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Ogunjobi for sure, very deep DL

This one perhaps ?

Edited August 13 by 3rdand12

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

Hardly likely and not thought out well by me , more fanciful than reality

 But even if we got something for next year from a depth player , I would be okay with that.

 Thanks19

This one perhaps ?

 

No one's giving us anything for a guy under a 1 year contract with 5.43m in guaranteed money that's suspended for the first 6 weeks of the year.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No one's giving us anything for a guy under a 1 year contract with 5.43m in guaranteed money that's suspended for the first 6 weeks of the year.

Yes agreed but it isn’t out of the question he could be released. His contract is largely signing bonus prorated over the next few years (3.5 mill total). It’s a tiny fraction of the cap. With his salary being no longer part of the guaranteed chunk of money due to suspension, he could be sent packing if the rest of the lot show up big. I think this is unlinkely still, but I wouldn’t say he is a lock to be brought back to the 53 

[BillsFanForever19]

5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Yes agreed but it isn’t out of the question he could be released. His contract is largely signing bonus prorated over the next few years (3.5 mill total). It’s a tiny fraction of the cap. With his salary being no longer part of the guaranteed chunk of money due to suspension, he could be sent packing if the rest of the lot show up big. I think this is unlinkely still, but I wouldn’t say he is a lock to be brought back to the 53 

 

He's a lock.

 

We signed him to a 6.6m contract with 5.4m of it guaranteed *after* we found out he would be suspended. We could have easily walked away from that contract after it was revealed he would be suspended for 6 games. Instead, we signed him and guaranteed 82% of his deal.

 

There's no point in releasing him now. He's roster exempt until Week 8 of the season. We keep a minimum of 5 Interior DL on the roster. Which is all we have until Week 8 - unless you think Casey Rogers, Zion Logue, Marcus Harris, or Devin Brandt-Epps are Week 1 rosterable players (which I don't).

 

If there's a single injury at DT before Week 8 (which is very possible), we're down to rostering one of those PS level players and relying heavily on a guy like DeWayne Carter (who looked awful last year). 

 

Long story short, he's exempt from the Roster. The difference between having him on the roster helping the team and not having him on the roster and weakening our depth is just 1.2m in salary. He isn't going anywhere.

[GASabresIUFan]

Green vs Van Denmark.  

 

If SVPG is out (on the PUP or season ending IR), Green is making this team over VD.  The OL has depth on the ends with Grable and Lundt, but Anderson would be the only backup inside and doesn't play center.  

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He's a lock.

 

We signed him to a 6.6m contract with 5.4m of it guaranteed *after* we found out he would be suspended. We could have easily walked away from that contract after it was revealed he would be suspended for 6 games. Instead, we signed him and guaranteed 82% of his deal.

 

There's no point in releasing him now. He's roster exempt until Week 8 of the season. We keep a minimum of 5 Interior DL on the roster. Which is all we have until Week 8 - unless you think Casey Rogers, Zion Logue, Marcus Harris, or Devin Brandt-Epps are Week 1 rosterable players (which I don't).

 

If there's a single injury at DT before Week 8 (which is very possible), we're down to rostering one of those PS level players and relying heavily on a guy like DeWayne Carter (who looked awful last year). 

 

Long story short, he's exempt from the Roster. The difference between having him on the roster helping the team and not having him on the roster and weakening our depth is just 1.2m in salary. He isn't going anywhere.

Are you sure those numbers are correct? 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21807/larry-ogunjobi

 

His guarentees were broken into the signing bonus, spread over 4 years which gets you to 3.4 mill and a 2 million salary guarantee (which was voided because of suspension). It would have added to 5.4 guaranteed if not for the suspension. So the Bills are looking at guarenteeing 3.4 mil if he never takes a snap. 

 

I am not suggesting releasing him now but if the 5 DTs you carry on the initial 53 (none of the guys you listed, Oliver Jones Sanders Walker Carter) you could choose to release him week 8 following the suspension given they are happy with the room and healthy. This would be 3.4 mil out the window, carrying the bag for 2.5 in dead money next year, which they are going to have to eat no matter what.

 

I see it as a bit of insurance at this point. Beane could have bailed. But at that point he did not know they’d be taking 2 DTs in day 2 of the draft or how they’ll pan out early on. Though it’s an unlikely scenario, it’s happened before. 
 

Beane has shown that he’ll eat guaranteed money  even on a one year guy (OJ Howard) if it’s best for the roster both immediately and long term. 

38 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Green vs Van Denmark.  

 

If SVPG is out (on the PUP or season ending IR), Green is making this team over VD.  The OL has depth on the ends with Grable and Lundt, but Anderson would be the only backup inside and doesn't play center.  

You make a good point about the IOL. I think they’ll need someone with some flexibility to play inside. It’s tough to know if they see VDM Grable or Lundt as that versatile but going in with truly only 3 guard options would leave them light in depth. 

[BuffaloRebound]

I think Shenault finds a way onto the 53 man roster.  Kick returns are gonna be a much bigger part of the game with the new 35 yard line touchback rule.  He’s clearly our best kick returner and worth an extra 4-5 yards every return over our next best option.  Cam Lewis can be the 6th CB and backup safety.  

[NickelCity]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I think Shenault finds a way onto the 53 man roster.  Kick returns are gonna be a much bigger part of the game with the new 35 yard line touchback rule.  He’s clearly our best kick returner and worth an extra 4-5 yards every return over our next best option.  Cam Lewis can be the 6th CB and backup safety.  

 

Yeah I kinda agree, if he keeps performing in preseason. I hope it doesn't come at the expense of shavers. I think it'd probably be at the expense of Codrington. It's the punt game where it's a harder call.

[BillsFanForever19]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I think Shenault finds a way onto the 53 man roster.  Kick returns are gonna be a much bigger part of the game with the new 35 yard line touchback rule.  He’s clearly our best kick returner and worth an extra 4-5 yards every return over our next best option.  Cam Lewis can be the 6th CB and backup safety.  

 

12 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

Yeah I kinda agree, if he keeps performing in preseason. I hope it doesn't come at the expense of shavers. I think it'd probably be at the expense of Codrington. It's the punt game where it's a harder call.

 

My thing with this is Codrington is above him on both the Official Depth Chart and was the Main Returner to start the game in Pre-Season Week 1. Until I see him leading the charge for Kick Returns in the Pre-Season and/or making a serious impact there, i'm not ready to say he's going to be the guy there.

[NickelCity]

31 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

My thing with this is Codrington is above him on both the Official Depth Chart and was the Main Returner to start the game in Pre-Season Week 1. Until I see him leading the charge for Kick Returns in the Pre-Season and/or making a serious impact there, i'm not ready to say he's going to be the guy there.

 

Seems like something that easily could have been done in deference to his year in the system though.