Training Camp News - Around the League version

[MikePJ76]

On 8/1/2025 at 6:14 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

Three years and still didn't understand the offense? Ladies and gentlemen...your Miami LoLphins....

Wasn’t it Brett Favre who just knew the basics of holmgrens offense for years and would just sandlot most plays?

 

this kind of thing happens a lot I bet and on both sides of the ball.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 hours ago, H2o said:

If this guy wasn't fast, he'd be collecting shopping carts and sweeping up trash in the parking lot at Walmart for a living.  

You're being charitable.  I was thinking orange jumpsuited, picking up trash from the interstate shoulders. 🤨

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The rules have changed significantly in favour of offense since then. 

Not within 5 yards correct?

[SCBills]

Caleb Williams clips are my new favorite thing about training camp. 
 

 

[thenorthremembers]

On 8/2/2025 at 5:56 PM, Rocky Landing said:

Is it me, or is there a subtle dig on McDaniel in this clip? "... That accountability piece is something that we needed... also pushing us every day..." 

 

The Dolphins have a culture problem, and if half the anonymous reports coming out of that organization are true, it's systemic. I doubt the new WR coach is going to be able to fix it.

 

I cant stand the Dolphins, but I think this narrative is being away overblown.    I am not sure there are two people in the NFL I cant stand more than Mike McDaniel and Tyreek Hill, but they've been right there when Tua is healthy.   A lot of people are picking the Patriots as the clear 2nd place team in the East this year, but the Dolphins program is a lot further along.   We will see, but dont let the preseason narratives run too wild.   The Jets were supposed to overtake the Bills last year, and were some peoples Super Bowl pick. 

[Rocky Landing]

5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I cant stand the Dolphins, but I think this narrative is being away overblown.    I am not sure there are two people in the NFL I cant stand more than Mike McDaniel and Tyreek Hill, but they've been right there when Tua is healthy.   A lot of people are picking the Patriots as the clear 2nd place team in the East this year, but the Dolphins program is a lot further along.   We will see, but dont let the preseason narratives run too wild.   The Jets were supposed to overtake the Bills last year, and were some peoples Super Bowl pick. 

This is not a "preseason narrative." The reports of low accountability, lazy practices, poor work ethics, a lack of respect towards the coaching staff were coming out in the middle of last season. Several players were fined multiple times for being late to meetings, including Tyreek Hill. McDaniel acknowledged towards the end of the season that the fines weren't as effective as he'd hoped they'd be. Imagine such reports coming out of Buffalo under McDermott? Miami has a culture problem.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

This is not a "preseason narrative." The reports of low accountability, lazy practices, poor work ethics, a lack of respect towards the coaching staff were coming out in the middle of last season. Several players were fined multiple times for being late to meetings, including Tyreek Hill. McDaniel acknowledged towards the end of the season that the fines weren't as effective as he'd hoped they'd be. Imagine such reports coming out of Buffalo under McDermott? Miami has a culture problem.

All true. But for Miami it's as simple as this:

 

When Tua is healthy, they are a wildcard team. When he's not, they crumble.

 

Last year they got 8 wins, but if Tua was healthy they easily would have had 10 and a playoff spot

 

So If Tua stays healthy, they probably get 10 wins this year . That's a big "if " mind you lol

[buffalo2218]

15 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

All true. But for Miami it's as simple as this:

 

When Tua is healthy, they are a wildcard team. When he's not, they crumble.

 

Last year they got 8 wins, but if Tua was healthy they easily would have had 10 and a playoff spot

 

So If Tua stays healthy, they probably get 10 wins this year . That's a big "if " mind you lol

I'm not sure if Tua is good enough to carry an offense on a team with a more than below average defense and a sub par O line. If they can't get their run game going, they'll be one dimensional, which won't be good news for Tua healthwise

[BillsFan130]

Just now, buffalo2218 said:

I'm not sure if Tua is good enough to carry an offense on a team with a more than below average defense and a sub par O line. If they can't get their run game going, they'll be one dimensional, which won't be good news for Tua healthwise

For sure I agree.

 

I just think sometimes we like to rip on Miami, because yes, they are definitely are a flawed team- But to me I really think it's as simple as can Tua stay healthy.

 

If he can, they proved they are a playoff team. When he misses extended time, they can't overcome it.

[buffalo2218]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

For sure I agree.

 

I just think sometimes we like to rip on Miami, because yes, they are definitely are a flawed team- But to me I really think it's as simple as can Tua stay healthy.

 

If he can, they proved they are a playoff team. When he misses extended time, they can't overcome it.

Honestly, I think McDaniel is more of the problem than Tua. He would probably be quite sought after for an OC if he gets canned, but as for HC, nah he just doesn't have it

[BillsFan130]

Just now, buffalo2218 said:

Honestly, I think McDaniel is more of the problem than Tua. He would probably be quite sought after for an OC if he gets canned, but as for HC, nah he just doesn't have it

Agreed. Hes a brilliant offensive mind. But doesn't really have it as a head coach 

 

In my opinion he Kind of reminds me of a better version of chan gailey in a way. Very Good offensive mind, erratic play calling at times, and not an overall good coach.  

 

 

[stevewin]

40 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

This is not a "preseason narrative." The reports of low accountability, lazy practices, poor work ethics, a lack of respect towards the coaching staff were coming out in the middle of last season. Several players were fined multiple times for being late to meetings, including Tyreek Hill. McDaniel acknowledged towards the end of the season that the fines weren't as effective as he'd hoped they'd be. Imagine such reports coming out of Buffalo under McDermott? Miami has a culture problem.

IMO lack of discipline and good culture and strong leadership (starting with the HC) is also a big element with that team folding in cold weather and when things get tough

Edited Monday at 02:02 AM by stevewin

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

All true. But for Miami it's as simple as this:

 

When Tua is healthy, they are a wildcard team. When he's not, they crumble.

 

Last year they got 8 wins, but if Tua was healthy they easily would have had 10 and a playoff spot

 

So If Tua stays healthy, they probably get 10 wins this year . That's a big "if " mind you lol

Well.. you have a much higher opinion of Tua Tagovailoa than I do.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Well.. you have a much higher opinion of Tua Tagovailoa than I do.

Their offence is 10x better with Tua in the lineup Vs when he's out. I think That's pretty black and white based on the big sample size. You don't agree  with that?

[Rocky Landing]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Their offence is 10x better with Tua in the lineup Vs when he's out. I think That's pretty black and white based on the big sample size. You don't agree  with that?

The Dolphins are better with Tua than they are with whomever is their backup. That's true of every team in the league. So, Tua's better than... Skyler Thompson. So what? But, ten times better? No, I don't think that's accurate. I looked it up. Tua's career win percentage is 64%. The Dolphins win percentage over that time without Tua was 35%. That's less than 2x better with Tua.

 

Even that might sound like a lot, but name a team in the NFL that doesn't suffer when their starting QB goes down? Personally, I think Tua is very good at certain things-- accuracy, fast release, timing throws; and abysmal at other things-- extending plays, operating under pressure, working out of the pocket, and yes, staying on the field.

 

But none of this has much to do with the perceived culture problem in Miami. I haven't heard anybody talking up Tua's leadership abilities, and I haven't heard any description of Miami's poor practice habits, or lack of accountability, or lack of respect towards McDaniel only occurring when Tua was injured. And he sure as hell didn't look to be inspiring his team in that last playoff loss to KC. They played like they had their bus idling in the parking lot.

[thenorthremembers]

8 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

This is not a "preseason narrative." The reports of low accountability, lazy practices, poor work ethics, a lack of respect towards the coaching staff were coming out in the middle of last season. Several players were fined multiple times for being late to meetings, including Tyreek Hill. McDaniel acknowledged towards the end of the season that the fines weren't as effective as he'd hoped they'd be. Imagine such reports coming out of Buffalo under McDermott? Miami has a culture problem.

 

and they still won 8 games with their quarterback only playing 11.    They have a healthy QB problem more than they have a culture problem. 

[BillsFan130]

9 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

The Dolphins are better with Tua than they are with whomever is their backup. That's true of every team in the league. So, Tua's better than... Skyler Thompson. So what? But, ten times better? No, I don't think that's accurate. I looked it up. Tua's career win percentage is 64%. The Dolphins win percentage over that time without Tua was 35%. That's less than 2x better with Tua.

 

Even that might sound like a lot, but name a team in the NFL that doesn't suffer when their starting QB goes down? Personally, I think Tua is very good at certain things-- accuracy, fast release, timing throws; and abysmal at other things-- extending plays, operating under pressure, working out of the pocket, and yes, staying on the field.

 

But none of this has much to do with the perceived culture problem in Miami. I haven't heard anybody talking up Tua's leadership abilities, and I haven't heard any description of Miami's poor practice habits, or lack of accountability, or lack of respect towards McDaniel only occurring when Tua was injured. And he sure as hell didn't look to be inspiring his team in that last playoff loss to KC. They played like they had their bus idling in the parking lot.

I am not asking this to be condescending as I'm genuinely curious- Do you watch a lot of Miami football? Their offence is completely lost without Tua. It's pretty black and white and I'm sure any advanced stat would back that up

 

Of course every team will take a step back with their backup, but the drop off is next level in Miami with Tua hurt as McDaniel has a very complexed, timing based offence.

 

He definitely has flaws. But one thing he does a really good job at is beat up on bad teams.

 

Which goes back to my original point- If Tua is healthy, Miami is a playoff team last year as they lost multiple games against bad teams when he was injured.

Edited Monday at 12:24 PM by BillsFan130

[fergie's ire]

On 8/1/2025 at 7:41 PM, That's No Moon said:

Meningitis is.

So is a cold.  According to Reid he had fluid in his ear.  Common after a cold and/or ear infection.

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

and they still won 8 games with their quarterback only playing 11.    They have a healthy QB problem more than they have a culture problem. 

Bingo

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

I am not asking this to be condescending as I'm genuinely curious- Do you watch a lot of Miami football? Their offence is completely lost without Tua. It's pretty black and white and I'm sure any advanced stat would back that up

 

Of course every team will take a step back with their backup, but the drop off is next level in Miami with Tua hurt as McDaniel has a very complexed, timing based offence.

 

He definitely has flaws. But one thing he does a really good job at is beat up on bad teams.

 

Which goes back to my original point- If Tua is healthy, Miami is a playoff team last year as they lost multiple games against bad teams when he was injured.

I do actually watch a fair amount of their games. Jets, and Patriots* too. We do have a difference of opinion here, but I don't actually think we're that far apart. The team being lost without Tua, and Miami having a culture problem aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, one could make the argument that the former is a symptom of the latter.