Who is the worst franchise QB in the NFL?

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

Your list - the list you wrote in your OP.  You started with a list of 5 QB's who were "contenders" as you said in your opinion for the "last" - aka worst - of the franchise QB's.   I like the question, but the inclusion of Baker as a contender is where I am saying he has no business being a part of this discussion.  He is a tier 2 QB behind tier 1 of Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar.  

 

He is easily a top 10 overall NFL QB right now, and can be argued anywhere from 5th to 8th overall QB in the NFL right now.  I would have him at 6 or 7 overall at QB personally and no lower than 8th.  He is in a higher tier that players like Tua, Lawerence, etc.

 

I also don't think Purdy should have been mentioned either, as someone who has watched every game he has played I can say I think he is better than a lot of people want to give him credit for.  

Someone may not think Tua/Purdy/Lawrence/Geno or Kyler are franchise QBs.

 

For some the list may be 20 or for some the list may be 12.

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Someone may not think Tua/Purdy/Lawrence/Geno or Kyler are franchise QBs.

 

For some the list may be 20 or for some the list may be 12.

 

I get that, my point remains, Baker has no place in this conversation.  There is no reality where he is a contender for the "last of the franchise" QB's right now, he is clearly in a tier above all of those guys and firmly in that 2nd tier behind the top dogs.  And as I said, while Purdy is less cut and dry, I don't think he does either.  

Edited 15 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I get that, my point remains, Baker has no place in this conversation.  There is no reality where he is a contender for the "last of the franchise" QB's right now, he is clearly in a tier above all of those guys and firmly in that 2nd tier behind the top dogs.  And as I said, while Purdy is less cut and dry, I don't think he does either.  

Really not sure that’s true but that’s okay, opinion noted. 

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Really not sure that’s true but that’s okay, opinion noted. 

 

Is it really an opinion though?  I mean the facts are pretty clear.
 

Bakers QB rankings in the NFL last year were:  

• 3rd in yards
• 2nd in TDs
• 7th in avg yards per pass
• 4th in QBR
• 3rd in comp %

I think its more than just an opinion that he should not be in consideration for the last of the franchise guys.  He was arguably a top 5 QB in the NFL last year.  

 

Like I said, there are guys who you listed worthy of consideration and open for debate for the dubious "last of the franchise guys"...but Baker right now is not one of them.  

Edited 14 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Is it really an opinion though?  I mean the facts are pretty clear.
 

Bakers QB rankings in the NFL last year were:  

• 3rd in yards
• 2nd in TDs
• 7th in avg yards per pass
• 4th in QBR
• 3rd in comp %

I think its more than just an opinion that he should not be in consideration for the last of the franchise guys.  He was arguably a top 5 QB in the NFL last year.  

 

Like I said, there are guys who you listed worthy of consideration and open for debate for the dubious "last of the franchise guys"...but Baker right now is not one of them.  

He was arguably a top 5 QB last year. 
 

2 years ago he was almost out of the league.

 

like I said, opinion noted lol.

[CA OC Bills Fan]

Several have already alluded to this, but I think you need to start with who is considered a franchise quarterback. To me, I think that the team has defined someone as their franchise QB by signing him to a non-rookie contract of at least three years. Not sure that three is the correct number of years, but I think it's close. Two years isn't really a commitment to saying that they are your franchise QB. Maybe you could say three also is too short but it sounds correct to me. If a team signs a QB for three years, they likely enough guaranteed money that it's very painful to move on from him. Or, perhaps instead of number of years, it's a dollar amount or percent of the cap at signing? Once there's a definition of who can be considered, then it's an easier conversation as to who belongs in the "worst 5" category.

[DeepPass]

5 hours ago, Special K said:

Tua Turntheballova for sure.

 

Weak arm......made of glass.....too small.....one head shot away from his brain being swiss cheese.

 

Dak is overrated because he is on the Cowboys......if he was on any other team, he would hardly be mentioned, IMO.

Agree about Tu  He's kind of become a joke!!

[K D]

5 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

deshaun watson.....hands down

his pants

[Doc Brown]

Only for sure guys.  Mahomes, Allen. Jackson, Baker, Prescott, Stafford, and Goff as long as he’s in Detroit.

 

Probably - Stroud, Daniels, Love, Purdy (I like him more than most.
 

Ufgghhh I guess. - Hurts

The  most applicable to this question:  Murray and Lawrence..

 

I never see Geno or Darnold holding a Lombardi so they’re out.  Tua thinks the current president is George  Bush.  They aren’t franchise qb’s.

 

Caleb Williams, Bo Nox, and Drake Maye.  Way too early.

Edited 11 hours ago by Doc Brown

[billsfan714]

For the money he is making I think Murray will never get it done, had one good year that I think was more of a fluke.

[Big Turk]

Trevor Lawrence and it's not close.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

He was arguably a top 5 QB last year. 
 

2 years ago he was almost out of the league.

 

like I said, opinion noted lol.

lol now you are just getting silly.  All good, to each their own

[BillsFan130]

Purdy for me. No way he is worth 50 plus mil IMO

[McMuffin]

Easily Deshaun Watson or Trevor Lawrence.  

[Buffalo716]

This is a purely subjective definition 

 

There's a difference between entrenched starter for a team and a franchise quarterback 

 

Andy Dalton was not a franchise quarterback though he was an entrenched starter for a long period of time 

 

To me franchise quarterback is a guy who could carry his team on his back.. so he has to be elite

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

To me franchise quarterback is a guy who could carry

his team on his back.. so he has to be elite

Herbert is the one I keep waiting for him to become that guy.  Everything about him tells me it’s true but he need to grow some dog in him when the rubber meats the road.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Herbert is the one I keep waiting for him to become that guy.  Everything about him tells me it’s true but he need to grow some dog in him when the rubber meats the road.

I think he's got a lot of talent but I've literally watched him when he was a high school quarterback and the same has been ringing true for a long time 

 

When the lights are the brightest he doesn't always shine 

 

 he's kind of like a modern day Jay Cutler with a better coach... Who reigned in some of the flaws

 

he has all the physical attributes.. crazy good arm, athleticism, size... There's just a piece missing

[machine gun kelly]

For me it’s either Dak or Lawrence.

[GunnerBill]

So in the rank the QBs threat the other week my "franchise" tier was my 2nd tier and the lowest ranked "franchise" guy I had.... was CJ Stroud at #13 overall. 

 

To me "franchise" means a guy that I am currently totally committed to, not even thinking right now about moving on from any time soon (largely cos they are very difficult to upgrade unless an elite guy falls in your lap). Of the guys @FireChans group together in his OP only Mayfield was in that group for me at #11 overall. 

 

I think @FireChans (and a lot of other posters in this thread) have interpreted it as meaning guys who are at proven starters who are at no risk of losing their job (other than through injury) during 2025. That was my tier 3 in my rankings and I had Tua, Purdy, Nix, Geno, TLaw and Kyler in the tier, with Kyler at #19 the bottom of it. I don't think Kyler will lose his job in season during 2025 but of those six guys he is the one who is most likely not to be the starter for the same franchise in 2026 IMO. 

 

Everyone after Kyler is still very much unproven at this point - Maye, Caleb, Penix and this year's rookies - OR is a proven vet who if they stunk the joint up in-season this year could be pulled (Rodgers, Fields, Wilson, Darnold, Flacco etc).

 

So depending on your definition of "franchise" my answer is either: CJ Stroud or Kyler Murray.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by GunnerBill

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, FireChans said:

I think Murray is actually the answer as the worst franchise QB in the NFL. I did forget to put him. 

 

 

Yep on the definition you have applied to it I think it's Kyler. He has been paid, barring injury he will not lose his job in 2025 so in that sense the ("franchise" is tied to him) but he is the weakest of the guys in that group.