Brandon Beane "might be the most sensitive GM in the entire NFL"?

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

I’m sure PFF can make up some BS subjective system to grade Beane’s sensitivity.  

He wouldnt be in the top 10.

[FireChans]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I have made the argument that 2017 was their best draft. White, Dawkins and Milano become cornerstone players for the rebirth and two of them are still here 8/9 years later. You do have to factor the Mahomes thing in but I don't think they passed on Mahomes cos Beane said "I don't like him", or McDermott didn't like him. They passed on Quarterback as a position because they wanted to do their homework properly on it (and in fairness 2018 was already known to be a strong group). They got LUCKY to get a shot at Josh the next year but also kinda unlucky that the trade they made ended up passing on a guy Mahomes level good. 

 

Josh probably makes the 2018 draft the best. And they did get Taron Johnson in that class too as a cornerstone... plus Tremaine who they got 5 years out of and Wyatt Teller who they screwed the pooch on trading away. But a new regime NEEDS credibility early and not only the record in 2017 but White, Dawkins and Milano looking like hits gave them that. 

Excuse me. Tre White is back 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, FireChans said:

Excuse me. Tre White is back 

 

Ha! Good point. All 3 are here!

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

There’s something oddly comical about message board posters - many of whom get worked up over perceived "personal attacks" from strangers online - relentlessly criticizing someone who’s under constant scrutiny for simply showing a bit of emotion.

Aw poor Beane, having to deal with the tough gestapo-controlled Buffalo media who have fawned over him for like 8 years.

[Long Suffering Fan]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

There’s something oddly comical about message board posters - many of whom get worked up over perceived "personal attacks" from strangers online - relentlessly criticizing someone who’s under constant scrutiny for simply showing a bit of emotion.

 

2 hours ago, DJB said:

Sam Monson? 
 

Pot calling the kettle black here . Dude is so sensitive on X that if you disagree with him at all he blocks you lol

 

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He wouldnt be in the top 10.

 

This.

 

Saying he is the most emotional GM paints him as if he is on some extreme.  He is a normal dude.  Calling him the most emotional makes it sounds like he is all up in his fee-fees and crying all the time.  On the WGR segment, he was angry and defending his decisions, not crying and whining.  Belicheck used to cultivate an angry persona of being a hair's breadth away from exploding so that people would not challenge him, maybe they caught Bean on a bad day, I don't know, but it was a normal reaction.

 

And, yes, it probably wasn't fair to WGR because it was taken out of context from the whole show, but then I don't want my GM listening to WGR all day.  

[boater]

11 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Why is every Bills radio or podcast guy 60+ with a gray beard? Would love to start something on here with a new generation

Bills radio needs a breath of fresh air, no disrespect intended 

 

We should start a TSW pod!!!

 

True, that.

 

I have noticed: all across my life there are places that need new young blood, including here at TSW. We're all a bunch of day-posting retirees, naps in the afternoon and in bed at 9 PM.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

Sam Monson? 
 

Pot calling the kettle black here . Dude is so sensitive on X that if you disagree with him at all he blocks you lol

 

That's life on social media though.

 

So more like apples and oranges than similar.

 

Though I wouldn't doubt that someday some PFF dude might get hired as a high ranking personnel man.   Millen and Mayock got hired as GM's from the booth at a time when that seemed impossible.

 

Beane himself went from fetching coffee to basically handling anything tech related in Carolina to becoming the GM in Buffalo.   He kinda' bypassed the whole road scout thing and might have been the only one in the office who was even using PFF data.   Imagine telling an office of old school guys that this data is important so you gotta' pay for it and then getting a sh!t grade from the company on a free agent signing.   Gettleman was old school road scout and went to the Giants without Beane and was famously roiled by the media for not having "computer" people or having any analytics department. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

 

 

This.

 

Saying he is the most emotional GM paints him as if he is on some extreme.  He is a normal dude.  Calling him the most emotional makes it sounds like he is all up in his fee-fees and crying all the time.  On the WGR segment, he was angry and defending his decisions, not crying and whining.  Belicheck used to cultivate an angry persona of being a hair's breadth away from exploding so that people would not challenge him, maybe they caught Bean on a bad day, I don't know, but it was a normal reaction.

 

And, yes, it probably wasn't fair to WGR because it was taken out of context from the whole show, but then I don't want my GM listening to WGR all day.  

 

 

 

Yeah I think those run-ins are probably the tip of the iceberg with Beane behind the scenes though.   He's a shyster so I never had any doubt that he would attack media or make threats behind the scenes.    The people who think he's just an ordinary "aw shucks" guy like he generally tries to portray himself as are the one's who he's puppeted.    If his personnel work catches up with his skill in lying and manipulating he will get up there with Howie as a top GM.   Hopefully that can coincide with Allen still being in his prime. 

 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Aw poor Beane, having to deal with the tough gestapo-controlled Buffalo media who have fawned over him for like 8 years.

 

I'm sorry, are you trying to tell me that One Bills Live is not just fair and balanced reporting and that they don't have the freedom to be as critical as they want to be of any facet of the Bills organization?

 

I found the Beane WGR incident both refreshing and cringy. It was strange and cathartic.

 

I think WGR is among the worst sports radio of any NFL city. Their content blows, their programming is lazy, and their sports IQ is too low for how arrogant and condescending they are.

 

But at the same time, Beane my guy, if you can't handle Schopp's garbage and patronizing takes you'd have a hard time in other cities. 

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Yeah I think those run-ins are probably the tip of the iceberg with Beane behind the scenes though.   He's a shyster so I never had any doubt that he would attack media or make threats behind the scenes.    The people who think he's just an ordinary "aw shucks" guy like he generally tries to portray himself as are the one's who he's puppeted.    If his personnel work catches up with his skill in lying and manipulating he will get up there with Howie as a top GM.   Hopefully that can coincide with Allen still being in his prime. 

 

 

This is a bit more of an aggressive take than I would say, but we're in the same arena.

 

I think the WGR moment and whatever happened with PFF is likely partially due to being coddled by local media. The staff is at a tipping point. The expectations are leveled up so he's gone from hero and saving the franchise to being partially blamed for falling short of the new expectations.

 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

This is a bit more of an aggressive take than I would say, but we're in the same arena.

 

I think the WGR moment and whatever happened with PFF is likely partially due to being coddled by local media. The staff is at a tipping point. The expectations are leveled up so he's gone from hero and saving the franchise to being partially blamed for falling short of the new expectations.

 

 

Yea same. I wouldn't be as aggressive as @BADOLBILZ and say "lying" but he certainly manipulates perceptions and creates narratives that he pushes as the truth that sometimes end up overtaking the objective truth in the minds of some.

 

I agree he has also got an easy ride from local media for the most. Easier than McDermott for sure. 

Edited 1 hour ago by GunnerBill

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I'm sorry, are you trying to tell me that One Bills Live is not just fair and balanced reporting and that they don't have the freedom to be as critical as they want to be of any facet of the Bills organization?

 

I found the Beane WGR incident both refreshing and cringy. It was strange and cathartic.

 

I think WGR is among the worst sports radio of any NFL city. Their content blows, their programming is lazy, and their sports IQ is too low for how arrogant and condescending they are.

 

But at the same time, Beane my guy, if you can't handle Schopp's garbage and patronizing takes you'd have a hard time in other cities. 

 

This is a bit more of an aggressive take than I would say, but we're in the same arena.

 

I think the WGR moment and whatever happened with PFF is likely partially due to being coddled by local media. The staff is at a tipping point. The expectations are leveled up so he's gone from hero and saving the franchise to being partially blamed for falling short of the new expectations.

 

 

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea same. I wouldn't be as aggressive as @BADOLBILZ and say "lying" but he certainly manipulates perceptions and creates narratives that he pushes as the truth that sometimes end up overtaking the objective truth in the minds of some.

 

I agree he has also got an easy ride from local media for the most. Easier than McDermott for sure. 

The most telling thing to me about Beano was I personally felt he was trying to distance himself from McD in 2023. 

 

If that 2023 team didn't rally from 6-6, I think Beane throwing McD under the bus to save himself was definitely on the board. Now maybe that's business as usual, and maybe it would be deserved, but imo Beane deserves just as much blame as McD for our struggles to reach the mountaintop.

 

He does dominate the local media in a way that pretty much every other NFL market does not. The Bills, and maybe not even just Beane, did a very concerted effort to cull negative reporting and internal leaks. Not necessarily a bad thing, but Beane really cultivated the messaging out the Bills that we are a professional, well-run, buttoned-up organization by squeezing anyone out who may have disagreed.

 

Never forget Beano paying La'el Collins $1.5M to show up to camp from his previous PS stints and just flushing it down the tubes. 

[machine gun kelly]

13 hours ago, Lagoon Blues said:

No matter what there will always be people who dislike men who show their emotions.

Beane is fine.  He brought us a winner.  I think the reason why he kind of lost it to Jeremy and Joe about WR’s is he had Elijah Moore on the hook and he was trying to close the deal.   Big deal.  As far as losing to the Chiefs in the playoffs, thats 1 of 30 other teams that have lost to them in the playoffs.

 

Outside of that outburst, he's been fine in my eyes.  Thats just my opinion, and if you disagree, I understand.and appreciate other points of view.  My typical response to several people is you must have a short memory givena 17 year drought I as many endured all of those years.

 

It’s funny the MTC guys on NFLR (Pat and Mills) are rating by position group each group and the Bills on offense have rated in the top 10 in each group.  They rate the entire room, not just the starter.  They don’t play favorites, and they back up their ratings with tons of data.  They started on offense and at the end of next week, they start on defensive groups.  They’ve been doing this for years, and we’re not at the top of any group but rated high.  If you have Sirius, you might like it.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Gettleman was old school road scout and went to the Giants without Beane and was famously roiled by the media for not having "computer" people or having any analytics department. 

But dayum, that guy could police a cafeteria line.  "No extras for you, Kelvin!" 😠

[thenorthremembers]

Would rather have a GM who cares about the city and stands up for it then a guy who is just here to collect a paycheck.  Not to mention all the winning the Bills with Beane.

 

Should point out that Monson is a long time regular on Schoop and the Bulldog, and both are close with Jeremy White.   Sounds like the WGR guys are butt hurt they got their asses handed to them by Beane.   

[Einstein]

Of all the things people tell me to discount PFF for, this is the one that worries me the most.

The fact that PFF is changing grades to appease general managers concerns me.

Once in a while you come across a grade where you say "what in the world", and not im wondering if its because someone made a few calls.

[Mango]

14 hours ago, Lagoon Blues said:

No matter what there will always be people who dislike men who show their emotions.

 

I am not sure that is what is going on here. I cry every time I watch Cool Runnings (literally, the whole crowd clapping at the end always gets me). 

My quick, and uneducated $0.02 on this is that the topic is more about Beane maybe lacking some level of professionalism, tact, and/or having some thin skinned. I think there is some confusion between emotional and sensitive. Neither might be a great fit here.

I don't think the criticism is Beane telling people that people criticizing his work sometimes hurts his feelings. I think the criticism is attacking talking heads for dumb hot takes and calling data aggregates because they reported that their algorithm ranks him, his team, and/or his work poorly. 

 

I am fairly ambivalent on this one. It is professional sports and the NFL. They can be aggressive. Part of me felt like the WGR outburts was refreshing. But it is also strange we are hearing about another instance where he called somebody to mother fork them about an opinion he didn't like. 

 

[Einstein]

53 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He does dominate the local media in a way that pretty much every other NFL market does not. The Bills, and maybe not even just Beane, did a very concerted effort to cull negative reporting and internal leaks.

This is a topic most fans aren't ready to discuss, but you are 100% right. 

The Bills ownership of local media is unlike any other NFL franchise. It simply does not exist elsewhere.  

They literally call the shots on what gets published and what doesn't.

You can even see how nervous Schopp and Bulldog got when Sam Monson said it. They immediately switched topic.