Network pricing to watch all NFL games in 2025

[SoTier]

On 6/12/2025 at 6:15 PM, Einstein said:

We are so screwed as a species. 

People are not only immoral but they are also happy and make jokes about their immorality. Theft was once a social stigma - you were embarrassed by your actions. Not anymore. Now it is simply; "You have something I want, and I don't want to pay for it. That's good enough justification".

 

Yikes.

 

Certain types of "theft" were entirely legal -- and socially acceptable to most Americans, too -- for the first 246 years of the country's existence as a collection of British colonies and as an independent republic.  What else but "theft"  (and kidnapping as well) can any rational person call the act of purchasing African captives from slave traders in Africa and bringing them to the Americas where they -- and their descendants -- were sold as chattels, ie property not as people.  Chattel slavery was enshrined in the US Constitution from the very beginning when enslaved African Americans were counted as 3/5 of a person for determining Congressional representation.  Chattel slavery only ended in 1865 with the passage of the 13th Amendment, although in parts of the South, African Americans were kept in virtual slavery for nearly another century.

 

Then there was the wholesale dispossession of indigenous Americans of virtually all their lands by the end of the 19th century ... theft on a massive scale that virtually all European Americans always considered a great thing.   Theft of resources or territory in the name of community "good" has always been a part of human culture, be it the ancient Jews conquering Canaan or the Romans "civilizing" Britain or the Vikings plundering northern France.

 

Yikes.

 

 

 

[Einstein]

33 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Certain types of "theft" were entirely legal -- and socially acceptable to most Americans, too -- for the first 246 years of the country's existence as a collection of British colonies and as an independent republic.  What else but "theft"  (and kidnapping as well) can any rational person call the act of purchasing African captives from slave traders in Africa and bringing them to the Americas where they -- and their descendants -- were sold as chattels, ie property not as people.  Chattel slavery was enshrined in the US Constitution from the very beginning when enslaved African Americans were counted as 3/5 of a person for determining Congressional representation.  Chattel slavery only ended in 1865 with the passage of the 13th Amendment, although in parts of the South, African Americans were kept in virtual slavery for nearly another century.

 

Then there was the wholesale dispossession of indigenous Americans of virtually all their lands by the end of the 19th century ... theft on a massive scale that virtually all European Americans always considered a great thing.   Theft of resources or territory in the name of community "good" has always been a part of human culture, be it the ancient Jews conquering Canaan or the Romans "civilizing" Britain or the Vikings plundering northern France.

 

Yikes.

 

Well this thread took a very dark and completely unrelated turn.

[Comebackkid]

so im guessing if pay for a service..and then invite all 300 of my friends over to watch my said service..they should be accused of 

stealing?..freeloading?.   they certainly arent paying to watch this nfl product.   so...if i happen to stream a service that someone else 

put out there..im just watching with one of my new found buddies...via online..from  a distance.   

 

and going away from that, u walk into walmart and look at all the stuff there and leave, it not stealing...thats like what streaming is...i

go online and watch and and then leave it where i found it.

 

 

[Just Jack]

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Since the earth is covered in water, why am I always being asked to pay for it? 😉

 

You don't need to. Just go to your nearest stream, river, lake, pond, and fill up some containers. I remember decades ago, camping in the remote Adirondacks, driving down a back road when you come across a pipe sticking out the side of a hill with water coming out. You would stop and fill your jugs. 

 

 

[Just Jack]

55 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

so im guessing if pay for a service..and then invite all 300 of my friends over to watch my said service..they should be accused of 

stealing?..freeloading?. 

 

The Bills used to partner with charities and do an away game viewing party fundraiser called Jumbogate, till the NFL said no. Can't have a lot of people watching the game for cheap or free, even if it's for charity. 

 

'Jumbogate' gets a 1-year reprieve - 2003-09-04 - Business First of Buffalo

Edited 13 hours ago by Just Jack

[Comebackkid]

33 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

The Bills used to partner with charities and do an away game viewing party fundraiser called Jumbogate, till the NFL said no. Can't have a lot of people watching the game for cheap or free, even if it's for charity. 

 

'Jumbogate' gets a 1-year reprieve - 2003-09-04 - Business First of Buffalo

it is the No Fun League for a reason

[US Egg]

3 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

so im guessing if pay for a service..and then invite all 300 of my friends over to watch my said service..they should be accused of 

stealing?..freeloading?.   they certainly arent paying to watch this nfl product.   so...if i happen to stream a service that someone else 

put out there..im just watching with one of my new found buddies ...via online..from  a distance. 

Three hundred friends and finding more? Dang! Oughta run for office.

[SoCal Deek]

10 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

You don't need to. Just go to your nearest stream, river, lake, pond, and fill up some containers. I remember decades ago, camping in the remote Adirondacks, driving down a back road when you come across a pipe sticking out the side of a hill with water coming out. You would stop and fill your jugs. 

 

 

Yes, but it appears that some people think the same should apply to water coming out of the pipes in your house. Just whip out your jugs and fill ‘em up! 

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

Well this thread took a very dark and completely unrelated turn.

 

You complained that modern Americans were too accepting of theft via illegal streaming and that was a sign of some kind of societal decline.  I just pointed out that earlier Americans -- and other societies -- not only tolerated but were willing to die to support some kinds of theft if it benefited them and/or their societies.   It is simply part of human nature.

[Einstein]

47 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes, but it appears that some people think the same should apply to water coming out of the pipes in your house. Just whip out your jugs and fill ‘em up! 

 

I don’t know why teachers want to get paid for teaching more than one child. Greedy bastards!

 

Once they’re in front of a classroom teaching one kid, might as well add 20 more kids to listen along for the same price!

 

 

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I don’t know why teachers want to get paid for teaching more than one child. Greedy bastards!

 

Once they’re in front of a classroom teaching one kid, might as well add 20 more kids to listen along for the same price!

 

 

 

That sounds like the theory behind home schooling Travis Henry’s kids. 

[Kevbeau]

On 6/12/2025 at 2:23 PM, Ned Flanders said:

Link?

It was in an email directly linked to my account. I was able to activate last year and this year through id.me

 

https://shop.id.me/stores/12768-nfl-sunday-ticket-on-youtube

[Johnny Bravo]

On 6/12/2025 at 2:51 PM, SoCal Deek said:

I don’t see any of this as a ‘moral’ issue until you breach a contract you’ve signed. 

There is a user agreement for everything we stream.  Netflix, Hulu, Sunday Ticket.

 

Those user agreements state the terms which we agree to follow as part of the deal for being able to stream.

 

of course none of us ever read them, but we all have to acknowledge them when we sign up.

[Johnny Bravo]

13 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

so im guessing if pay for a service..and then invite all 300 of my friends over to watch my said service..they should be accused of 

stealing?..freeloading?.   they certainly arent paying to watch this nfl product.   so...if i happen to stream a service that someone else 

put out there..im just watching with one of my new found buddies...via online..from  a distance.   

 

and going away from that, u walk into walmart and look at all the stuff there and leave, it not stealing...thats like what streaming is...i

go online and watch and and then leave it where i found it.

 

 

No.  What you are doing is allowed.  It’s when you charge people to come watch the game you paid for.

[Fleezoid]

12 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

The Bills used to partner with charities and do an away game viewing party fundraiser called Jumbogate, till the NFL said no. Can't have a lot of people watching the game for cheap or free, even if it's for charity. 

 

'Jumbogate' gets a 1-year reprieve - 2003-09-04 - Business First of Buffalo

 

Millions of people watch out-of-home games in bars and restaurants every weekend. But that's okay with the NFL. Those establishments are paying truck-loads of cash for the right to skew the Nielsen ratings.