Which NFL team had the best offseason so far? Which has had the worst?

[Mr. WEO]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To add to the two backup QBs they already had..... seriously it's soooo bizarre. I'm pretty confident if it is a genuine competition Sanders will win the job. But I got the strong sense that the GM and HC don't want him to so I doubt it is a genuine competition. 

 

Since the owner is dumber than the GM, the GM stays I guess.

[TheFunPolice]

18 hours ago, dorquemada said:

I'll vote for Cleveland as the worst.  What's already a circus of incompetence is going to get more circus and more incompetence

 

Deion is probably already looking at homes in the Cleveland area. He'll be the coach in about 8 months, so that gives some time. 

 

Deion has said he would only want to go to the NFL to coach his son, and the Browns could think it's the way to get payoff for having Sanders there at QB, although it wasn't a huge investment. 

 

Deion sells tickets and builds hype and hope. 

 

Stefanski has been on thin ice for a while there. 

Edited Thursday at 02:10 PM by TheFunPolice

[Wallymo]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

agreed, but not sure you want Sanders when employing a multi-qb strategy

the Bengals may be the worst.  Wasting an elite QB with horrid roster management 

What are the Bengals doing? Shemar Stewart in the first, who has never produced. They then drafted two guards, two linebackers and a running back with their five remaining selections. Just terrible value everywhere.

[warrior9]

4 minutes ago, Wallymo said:

What are the Bengals doing? Shemar Stewart in the first, who has never produced. They then drafted two guards, two linebackers and a running back with their five remaining selections. Just terrible value everywhere.

Has to be the worst off season this year... Saints may be a close second but after those 2... maybe Miami? Miami is going to be realllly bad this year, I think. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

18 hours ago, dorquemada said:

I'll vote for Cleveland as the worst.  What's already a circus of incompetence is going to get more circus and more incompetence

From a 'factory of sadness' to a circus.  Certainly is entertaining for the rest of us. 😁

18 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

NE is going to be #2 in the AFCE by end of season.

 

 

Must be all of those double secret conditional draft picks they always get. 🤨

[Robert Paulson]

18 hours ago, dorquemada said:

I'll vote for Cleveland as the worst.  What's already a circus of incompetence is going to get more circus and more incompetence

I loved how Cleveland started. They fleeced the Jags and avoided shedeur. 

 

The owner wouldn't stand for competence though and forced the Sanders circus on the team. You could tell this was not who the HC and GM wanted. You would think after the previous QB eff up they would have locked him out of the draft room. 

[Low Positive]

55 minutes ago, Wallymo said:

What are the Bengals doing? Shemar Stewart in the first, who has never produced. They then drafted two guards, two linebackers and a running back with their five remaining selections. Just terrible value everywhere.

And they resigned Cody Ford for 3 million. It's what happens when a team has 4 scouts.

[dorquemada]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Deion is probably already looking at homes in the Cleveland area. He'll be the coach in about 8 months, so that gives some time. 

 

Deion has said he would only want to go to the NFL to coach his son, and the Browns could think it's the way to get payoff for having Sanders there at QB, although it wasn't a huge investment. 

 

Deion sells tickets and builds hype and hope. 

 

Stefanski has been on thin ice for a while there. 

 

Yup.  I am looking forward to COACH PRIME because his gimmicky nonsense will do about as well in the NFL as it did against FBS teams

3 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

I’ll take that bet.  He could do that in 2 years as a starter 

 

He was terrible against FBS teams.  why do you or does anyone think that he's going to come into the NFL and be effective?  Icing on the cake is when they put his Clownfather in as coach.  Oh wow look a quintuple reverse statue of liberty flea flicker, or it would have been except the golden boy got sacked 25 yards behind the LoS.   Anyway, yes, we should make a friendly wager here because this will be the easiest money since I invested in Amazon in the early days of COVID

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

He was terrible against FBS teams.  why do you or does anyone think that he's going to come into the NFL and be effective?  

 

Terrible is an exaggeration. I am not a big Sanders guy, but he was not terrible against FBS schools. He played 5 ranked teams last year and other than the Arizona game he played pretty well. I think he can be a low end starter / bridge type Quarterback in the NFL based just on talent.

[TFBillsfan]

The Bears have had a solid offseason and draft. They have a better coaching staff, have surrounded Caleb with a solid group in the skill positions. Defensively, they gotten better and play a last place schedule. With all that said, I don’t know if it’s enough to jump ahead of Detroit and Green Bay.

 

Within the AFCE, NE on paper got better and should be more competitive. Feels like the Jets and Dolphins stayed the same. Vrabel will elevate the culture in NE and in Miami there seems to be a lot of questions. Assuming the Bills stay healthy, they should win another AFCE title.

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Terrible is an exaggeration. I am not a big Sanders guy, but he was not terrible against FBS schools. He played 5 ranked teams last year and other than the Arizona game he played pretty well. I think he can be a low end starter / bridge type Quarterback in the NFL based just on talent.

 

We can agree to disagree.  I don't think he has NFL speed.  He takes too many sacks and is dramatically overconfident.   The circus around him will detract from the team cohesion, and his dad will be undermining the coaching staff starting really soon if he isn't already.  He'll be a polarizing figure on his own team, and will expect, and receive, special treatment.  None of this spells success in my opinion

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

We can agree to disagree.  I don't think he has NFL speed.  He takes too many sacks and is dramatically overconfident.   The circus around him will detract from the team cohesion, and his dad will be undermining the coaching staff starting really soon if he isn't already.  He'll be a polarizing figure on his own team, and will expect, and receive, special treatment.  None of this spells success in my opinion

 

I am not on about any of the off field. But you are simply wrong to say he was terrible against good competition in college. He wasn't. His game has warts, for sure, he definitely holds it too long and I think he refuses too many tight window throws that you have to make in the NFL. He isn't a franchise guy I ever see anyone committing to long term. But I think he has the ability to play in the league as a low end starter / bridge type. Whether his ego will allow that is a different question. I am talking purely about his game and what is on tape.

[dorquemada]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not on about any of the off field. But you are simply wrong to say he was terrible against good competition in college. He wasn't. His game has warts, for sure, he definitely holds it too long and I think he refuses too many tight window throws that you have to make in the NFL. He isn't a franchise guy I ever see anyone committing to long term. But I think he has the ability to play in the league as a low end starter / bridge type. Whether his ego will allow that is a different question. I am talking purely about his game and what is on tape.

 

We shall soon see.  AT BEST I see him as a bridge type QB but the impossible pressure on whatever franchise is cursed with him to make him the face of said franchise won't allow for that.  I don't think you can separate that and all that brings from his mediocre skillset.  Holding the ball too long is poison in the NFL, as are gimmick plays

[DrBob806]

4 hours ago, JP51 said:

You are correct, no one really knows... but what fun would it be on an opinion speculation thread to say... we dont know ask me in 3 years...   

 

..  Locking up Myles Garrett was a plus... but have they encouraged players to go public to the media to express their displeasure so they can get new contracts... that is a slippery slope... all and all I think Cleveland has a greater chance of getting worse this year than better... 

I haven't seen a team encourage players to go public about displeasure. Where did you see that?

[dpberr]

I'd vote Bengals.  They will regret paying both Chase and Higgins and tying up so much money in one unit, they have the unresolved Trey Hendrickson story, Sam Hubbard retired, had a mediocre draft, and no observable plan to improve the defense.

 

 

 

 

 

[transient]

20 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

The Browns are certainly the kings of the dumbassery mountain, 

 

For those unfamiliar, NSFW.

Edited Thursday at 06:55 PM by transient

[JP51]

4 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

I haven't seen a team encourage players to go public about displeasure. Where did you see that?

I said, 

 

Locking up Myles Garrett was a plus... but have they encouraged players to go public to the media to express their displeasure so they can get new contracts... that is a slippery slope...  

 

I did not say Cleveland overtly said, Hey Miles... why dont you go to the media with your complaints....  I said Locking him up was a plus... but doing so AFTER he literally said I want out, you guys arent winners and I am going to go to the media with it.... I questioned if this could be an issue... essentially they rewarded behavior that was likely damaging to the team...maybe there are players or coaches who didnt appreciate that... and his punishment is a large raise....    maybe other important and disgruntled players want more money and they said no... so my question is does caving to Garrett in a situation like that embolden these folks to do the same maybe maybe not... However, I just don't believe it is a positive situation when players are taking their gripes to the media as opposed to resolving them internally..   this tends to create chaos in an organization as well as polarization in the locker room if it gets ugly enough. 

[transient]

21 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Cleveland is giving themselves as many kicks at the QB can as they can. I can't fault them for doing it as they clearly understand that without an answer, they are finished before they start. Every team that doesn't have certainty at the position should do the same thing.

I don't know about doing the SAME thing...

 

There is planning... and then there is execution.

 

Browns bringing in a number of players for a QB competition... good plan.

 

Settling on Watson, Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders to fill out your QB room... Brownsiest execution ever. The biggest point of interest will be which happens first, Sanders getting cut for being (or Neon poppa being) an intolerable pain in the ass or Joe Flacco's arm literally falling off.

 

Unless they're hell bent on picking their actual QB in the next draft... then assembling this collection of schmucks may actually be next level execution.

[JP51]

4 minutes ago, transient said:

I don't know about doing the SAME thing...

 

There is planning... and then there is execution.

 

Browns bringing in a number of players for a QB competition... good plan.

 

Settling on Watson, Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders to fill out your QB room... Brownsiest execution ever. The biggest point of interest will be which happens first, Sanders getting cut for being (or Neon poppa being) an intolerable pain in the ass or Joe Flacco's arm literally falling off.

 

Unless they're hell bent on picking their actual QB in the next draft... then assembling this collection of schmucks may actually be next level execution.

Oh and throwing Neon as the proud papa into that locker room is gonna play into the divisiveness... 

[HappyDays]

No Detroit mentions yet? They lost both coordinators and made no meaningful improvements to their roster, at best I would say their losses and gains in FA were a wash. And then there was their draft which I thought was awful with a lot of reaches. Taking a 1T who underperformed in college in the 1st round was bad value, then they reached for a guard in Tate Rutledge, then they used three 3rd round picks (their original 3rd rounder plus two future 3rds) to draft Teslaa who was seen as a 6th or 7th round option. They still have an extremely talented offense and Hutchinson will hopefully come back fully healthy, but I don't know how you can say their team has gotten better. With the coordinator losses I'd say on the whole they got significantly worse.

 

Edited Thursday at 07:20 PM by HappyDays