The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Thats because you’ve never really seen many 165 pound players.  
 

In NFL history-  name some good players that weighed 165 pounds

Davonta Smith is 170lbs and seems to be doing just fine. Cole Beasley had a nice career at 174. I just think it’s false to assume these guys are going to injured anymore than the next guy. 

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Bosa and Gronk play a physical brand of football (and I wouldn’t ignore the potential juice factor contributing to injury). Worthy is all about avoiding contact to survive. He’s not a guy you put out there to help in the run game. There is a very good reason the NFL is not littered with 165 lb guys. 

 

AI Overview

For the 2025 NFL season, there are very few players who weigh less than 170 lbs

. Based on current reports, some players include: 

Tez Johnson (Tampa Bay Buccaneers): At 154 pounds, the rookie wide receiver is the lightest player in the NFL.

Xavier Worthy (Kansas City Chiefs): This speedster wide receiver is listed at 165 pounds.

Blake Grupe (New Orleans Saints): The kicker is listed at 156 pounds.

Jake Elliott (Philadelphia Eagles): The Eagles' kicker is listed at 167 pounds.

KaVontae Turpin (Dallas Cowboys): The Pro Bowl return specialist is listed at 153 pounds. 

It's important to remember that roster weights can change throughout the season due to player development and team adjustments.

I hear you, but it reminds me of the DaVonta Smith argument when Philly drafted him. I didn’t understand, because if a 170 pound guy survives high level college football, why are we assuming he’ll be injured in the NFL? Yes, NFL players are more physically gifted, but SEC football players are big dudes too. 

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

And her persona, songwriting, level of sincerity……..

 

Haha, hold on let me go put on some top 40 country real quick...I need me some non-formulaic music and lyrics...

 

Lol, that said, i don't disagree on Swift, though admittedly I don't know much about her lyrics and such, like I really can't speak to them being genuine.

 

Of course I see a bunch of live music from bands like Phish and grateful dead tributes and Billy Strings and other jammy stuff...most of those bands don't have stylists and such driving narratives, but my guess is basically all music on popular radio these days does and I dont think Taylor swift is any more egregious in that compared to others, though she might be more successful...she also reportedly has autism, so some of the feeling that she lacks genuiness might be coming from that as opposed to her not actually being genuine, because honestly she does seem pretty genuine a lot of the time, just sometimes the non-verbal social cue type stuff feels a bit unexpected somehow

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Davonta Smith is 170lbs and seems to be doing just fine. Cole Beasley had a nice career at 174. I just think it’s false to assume these guys are going to injured anymore than the next guy. 

I hear you, but it reminds me of the DaVonta Smith argument when Philly drafted him. I didn’t understand, because if a 170 pound guy survives high level college football, why are we assuming he’ll be injured in the NFL? Yes, NFL players are more physically gifted, but SEC football players are big dudes too. 

i hear ya.  Maybe my premonition is false.  I still don’t want to draft a player in rd 1 that weighs 165 pounds. I never will.  
 

 

[SirAndrew]

Just now, NewEra said:

i hear ya.  Maybe my premonition is false.  I still don’t want to draft a player in rd 1 that weighs 165 pounds. I never will.  
 

 

I understand that, but most of those guys are role players, slot receivers, and change of pace running backs. They aren’t the type you’d draft in the first round to begin with. If a guy at 165lbs were a dominant receiver for a big time program, I wouldn’t hesitate taking him in the first round. 

[MikePJ76]

24 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Haha, hold on let me go put on some top 40 country real quick...I need me some non-formulaic music and lyrics...

 

Lol, that said, i don't disagree on Swift, though admittedly I don't know much about her lyrics and such, like I really can't speak to them being genuine.

 

Of course I see a bunch of live music from bands like Phish and grateful dead tributes and Billy Strings and other jammy stuff...most of those bands don't have stylists and such driving narratives, but my guess is basically all music on popular radio these days does and I dont think Taylor swift is any more egregious in that compared to others, though she might be more successful...she also reportedly has autism, so some of the feeling that she lacks genuiness might be coming from that as opposed to her not actually being genuine, because honestly she does seem pretty genuine a lot of the time, just sometimes the non-verbal social cue type stuff feels a bit unexpected somehow

Autism? 
 

wow now I know who kept the Star magazine in business in the 80’s and 90’s.

 

 

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I understand that, but most of those guys are role players, slot receivers, and change of pace running backs. They aren’t the type you’d draft in the first round to begin with. If a guy at 165lbs were a dominant receiver for a big time program, I wouldn’t hesitate taking him in the first round. 

there’s only been 1 in NFL history iirc.  Smith.  Worthy wasn’t dominant in college imo.  

[HardyBoy]

43 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Autism? 
 

wow now I know who kept the Star magazine in business in the 80’s and 90’s.

 

 

 

I mean both my kids have high functioning autism and I likely have it too (undiagnosed) and I definitely have adhd that wasn't diagnoased until my last year of college and my wife has adhd and wasn't diagnosed until into her 30s.

 

Getting diagnosed with that stuff, especially for women is really challenging, because a lot of the early research was done on disruptive boys in classrooms and girls on average don't present their symptoms that way... I'm also not gossiping, I'm highlighting the things that people make fun of Taylor Swift for are things that certainly are present in people with autism and neurodivergence more generally

 

https://www.yourtango.com/self/signs-taylor-swift-may-be-autistic-or-neurodivergent

[zow2]

Worthy finally got injured, but a few games into his career later than anticipated. I won’t take glee in someone else’s injury. It does help the Bills in a way, and certainly the other AFC West teams. But every team will get some brutal injuries and we just have to lay low and hope it doesn’t happen here.

[muppy]

4 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

I’ve never seen too much correlation between weight and injury issues. Think of the small slot receivers over the years who were incredibly durable. Is there a chance someone at that size is injury prone? Absolutely, but I don’t think it’s a major concern. Then you have guys like Bosa and Gronk who were always injured.  

this is a great post and something I have wondered about. You would think that as a simple matter of physics a guy 150 soaking wet would do poorly when colliding with someone of much larger size. 

 

But  what you wrote made me think twice and realize it's not as simple as that

I always equated small size with fragile in the NFL

 

the punishment on a smaller frame is the same as a larger at the physical level NFL players play?

 

Its an interesting discussion

18 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Worthy finally got injured, but a few games into his career later than anticipated. I won’t take glee in someone else’s injury. It does help the Bills in a way, and certainly the other AFC West teams. But every team will get some brutal injuries and we just have to lay low and hope it doesn’t happen here.

yeah injuries are the bane of ALL NFL teams.

 

wishing injury on someone is a bad look. It invokes dare I say karma

 

yeah Its an unfortunate part of the game but next man UP right? right.

I figured this thread would be bumped after last night. KC losing was a nice way to spend a Friday night not gonna lie

[jcamm1966]

Win some lose some , I'm worried about our guys not theirs

[Einstein's Dog]

57 minutes ago, muppy said:

 

1 hour ago, muppy said:

this is a great post and something I have wondered about. You would think that as a simple matter of physics a guy 150 soaking wet would do poorly when colliding with someone of much larger size. 

 

But  what you wrote made me think twice and realize it's not as simple as that

I always equated small size with fragile in the NFL

 

the punishment on a smaller frame is the same as a larger at the physical level NFL players play?

 

Its an interesting discussion

yeah injuries are the bane of ALL NFL teams.

 

wishing injury on someone is a bad look. It invokes dare I say karma

 

yeah Its an unfortunate part of the game but next man UP right? right.

I figured this thread would be bumped after last night. KC losing was a nice way to spend a Friday night not gonna lie

KC losing was a nice way to spend a Friday night not gonna lie

The idea that a lighter guy can take as much punishment as a larger guy is an extreme minority take.   People upstream in this thread mentioned durability as a huge reason to pass on Worthy.

 

Most rational people realize that Worthy's increased risk of injury factored into the FO's decision not to take him.  And while, of course, wishing injury on anyone is a bad look, it does help support the decision made by the FO/Beane.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

No offense but not a single thing you said here is true.

 

 

Except that it’s true, 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The idea that a lighter guy can take as much punishment as a larger guy is an extreme minority take.   People upstream in this thread mentioned durability as a huge reason to pass on Worthy.

 

Most rational people realize that Worthy's increased risk of injury factored into the FO's decision not to take him.  And while, of course, wishing injury on anyone is a bad look, it does help support the decision made by the FO/Beane.

If Keon Coleman would’ve taken that hit by Kelce my money is on him playing the entire game

[PrimeTime101]

I love this crystal ball stuff.. don't you? LOL!

 

 

Edited Saturday at 06:30 PM by PrimeTime101

[Harold Jackson]

Last year vs chargers. The ritual is complete. Another losing year for KC 

 

[Dr.Sack]

Kelce is not really big by TE and just was 2 steps into his break so it wasn’t even two guys colliding at full speed. Worthy is a gimmicky player and not looking like the next Tyreek. 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Davonta Smith is 170lbs and seems to be doing just fine. Cole Beasley had a nice career at 174. I just think it’s false to assume these guys are going to injured anymore than the next guy. 

I hear you, but it reminds me of the DaVonta Smith argument when Philly drafted him. I didn’t understand, because if a 170 pound guy survives high level college football, why are we assuming he’ll be injured in the NFL? Yes, NFL players are more physically gifted, but SEC football players are big dudes too. 

it’s the proverbial qb under 6’2, OT with short arms, etc… 

 

it’s not impossible to do but there’s a reason that despite fast 170 lbs guys being a more common body type, there’s more fast 210 lbs guys at wr in the nfl

 

that said, it’s not a deal breaker either and it’s silly to think he’s going to wilt every time he’s touched and can’t do things to minimize the biggest hits 

[YoloinOhio]

I drafted him in fantasy. You’re welcome. 

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

it’s the proverbial qb under 6’2, OT with short arms, etc… 

 

it’s not impossible to do but there’s a reason that despite fast 170 lbs guys being a more common body type, there’s more fast 210 lbs guys at wr in the nfl

 

that said, it’s not a deal breaker either and it’s silly to think he’s going to wilt every time he’s touched and can’t do things to minimize the biggest hits 

I agree, I’m not saying we’re going to see a bunch of elite small guys. It’s just the injury factor for those guys is severely overrated imo. The reason we don’t see a bunch of QB’s under 6’2 is because they can’t see the field, not due to injury risk. The same holds true for size at other positions for different reasons. 

Edited Saturday at 08:49 PM by SirAndrew

[SirAndrew]

3 hours ago, muppy said:

this is a great post and something I have wondered about. You would think that as a simple matter of physics a guy 150 soaking wet would do poorly when colliding with someone of much larger size. 

 

But  what you wrote made me think twice and realize it's not as simple as that

I always equated small size with fragile in the NFL

 

the punishment on a smaller frame is the same as a larger at the physical level NFL players play?

 

Its an interesting discussion

yeah injuries are the bane of ALL NFL teams.

 

wishing injury on someone is a bad look. It invokes dare I say karma

 

yeah Its an unfortunate part of the game but next man UP right? right.

I figured this thread would be bumped after last night. KC losing was a nice way to spend a Friday night not gonna lie

Exactly, it seems obvious that a larger object colliding with someone smaller is bad for the smaller person. However, I think there’s a lot more at play, I’m not a science guy, but NFL players seem equally injury prone. While other players happen to be somewhat immune to injury with good fortune.
 

Remember, these 165 pound NFL players aren’t skin and bones. These guys are in peak condition, and likely more muscle bound than the average 230 pound dude on the street. I’m sure smaller players don’t absorb hits as well, but once again, there’s more at play. Being a large human (muscular or not) puts a lot of stress on the body also. They might absorb hits better, but their joints, bones, and muscles must work really hard. I just think these things really even out the injury risk.