Ben Johnson?? Ben Johnson?? LOL

[Mikie2times]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

There was plenty of people after one in two years on this own website who were not sold on Josh Allen 

 

Go back to the end of his second year and there was still plenty of people not 100% sold on Josh as the future of our team in this site lol

 

This is not as cut and dry as we just lucked into the best player in the world.. Buffalo Bills did have to help develop him 

 

To think Josh Allen is the best player in the world on 31 other teams is honestly kind of crazy.. he might be on a couple teams..  on 24 other teams he's not the best player in the world because they would not have developed him correctly

 

We can agree to disagree but it's crazy to think that if player x starts his career at spot y he's exactly the same

Allen was a green prospect. HE needed to develop, which he largely did on his own. Your credit for culture and environment is only apparent after it was largely given a chance to develop based on Allen being elite. No QB, no culture, no time for process. 

 

All this stuff can matter with a B talent. Give a B QB a great system and talent and it can make a difference vs a team who likely just picked top 5.  It just doesn't matter when you're dealing with a Josh Allen level talent. Somebody who is that determined, that intelligent, and that self aware. The game has never failed a Josh Allen level player because the situation was just so bad it ruined the player.

 

Yes, we can agree to disagree 

Edited September 17 by Mikie2times

[HappyDays]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

There was plenty of people after one in two years on this own website who were not sold on Josh Allen 

 

Go back to the end of his second year and there was still plenty of people not 100% sold on Josh as the future of our team in this site lol

 

This is not as cut and dry as we just lucked into the best player in the world.. Buffalo Bills did have to help develop him 

 

To think Josh Allen is the best player in the world on 31 other teams is honestly kind of crazy.. he might be on a couple teams..  on 24 other teams he's not the best player in the world because they would not have developed him correctly

 

We can agree to disagree but it's crazy to think that if player x starts his career at spot y he's exactly the same

 

Do you believe Sam Darnold would have ended up the MVP if he had been drafted to Buffalo? Not a gotcha question, I'm genuinely curious what you think.

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Allen was a green prospect. HE needed to develop, which he largely did on his own. Your credit for culture and environment is only apparent after it was largely given a chance to develop based on Allen being elite. No QB, no culture, no time for process. 

 

All this stuff can matter with a B talent. Give a B QB a great system and talent and it can make a difference vs a team who likely just picked top 5.  It just doesn't matter when you're dealing with a Josh Allen level talent. Somebody who is that determined, that intelligent, and that self aware. The game has never failed a Josh Allen level player because the situation was just so bad it ruined the player.

 

Yes, we can agree to disagree 

If Josh Allen was as surefire as you thought he would have went number one overall 

 

He dropped to seven because of question marks ... To think there's never been supremely gifted and smart players who did not reach their peak is not true 

 

Plenty of hard-working physically gifted players never reach their full potential... 

 

In Fact in the NFL it's extremely rare for a player to reach their full potential

 

Again this doesn't mean Josh Allen would be terrible on other teams... To think he is the best player in the world on the bears or Panthers or Jets is far-fetched

 

There is a reason the Packers have went from farve to Rogers to Jordan love.. it's because organizations have a big part in developing a quarterback... Sitting on the bench for years is the best way to groom a quarterback , always has been... Even mahomes got to sit for a year

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you believe Sam Darnold would have ended up the MVP if he had been drafted to Buffalo? Not a gotcha question, I'm genuinely curious what you think.

 

Any quarterback getting drafted in the top 10 has MVP potential.. it's about how they are developed from 22 to 26 in those formative years 

 

Obviously Sam darnold would have been a lot better off in Buffalo..  MVP no, do I think we are still better than the Jets dolphins and Patriots? Yes

 

Do I think Josh Allen is an MVP drafted by the Jets no.. do I think hes good , yea

 

There's a difference between being good or really good.. and the best in the world... Which always takes circumstances..  internal and external.. players can only control so much and rely on other people

 

Something as simple as a play caller can impact a quarterback's career immensely.. mahomes getting Andy Reid as a play caller and learning from the bench for a year.. certainly helped his career better than getting thrown to the fire with  a more inept coordinator on an inept team

 

Joe burrow is extremely talented and cannot survive the Bengles organization and he's going to be a footnote... He's going to go down as the guy who could have been..  because the organization has not helped him out enough

 

Not only can Josh escape pressure... But we have built one of the best three offensive lines in the world around him to keep him clean... Josh's Ascension has also ascended with our offensive line 

 

With the Bengals line Josh would still be really good like burrow... But he would be at a lot more risk of injury and would more likely revert back to old bad tendencies because that's what quarterbacks do when they're under fire.. even mahomes is reverting back to bad tendencies now that he doesn't have a line

 

As I said in the NFL players are either progressing or regressing.. static is regressing 

 

 mahomes is not getting protected anymore and he's regressing.. he's going back to his college bad habits... Even a multiple time all pro super bowl champion can regress..  he's not as good as he was in 2022

 

Not the eye test or statistics

 

Situations definitely matter

Edited September 18 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

Ben Johnson has a hard situation in Chicago

 

It's an organization that knows defense but has not developed a quarterback for 60 years 

 

The bears have been playing professional football for over 100 years never had one 4,000 yard thrower... New England Buffalo Green Bay all has 

 

Even Brian sipe threw for 4000 yards in Cleveland... This shows organizational dysfunction in Chicago that they cannot develop quarterbacks

 

 ben has to, like McDermott... Take control of the entire organization top down.. and instill a culture of hard work and dedication... Hard work trumps talent because everybody has talent in the NFL 

 

That's his next step with Chicago

[BringBackFergy]

Hmmm. That was pretty easy vs Ravens. Even a caveman could do it. 
 

Stack enough weapons, you can be a “genius” coordinator. 

[Big Turk]

Josh McDaniels 2.0  

 

Treat other people like dog crap, talk down to them, make them feel small and that you always have to be smarter than them.  

 

Doesn't work so well in the end I think he will find out.

 

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Josh McDaniels 2.0  

 

Treat other people like dog crap, talk down to them, make them feel small and that you always have to be smarter than them.  

 

Doesn't work so well in the end I think he will find out.

 

 

 

He seems like a piece or garbage. Bullies usually get what they deserve. 

 

I give McDermott a bunch of football criticism but by all accounts he is a decent caring human being. Will never criticize his character. 

[hondo in seattle]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Josh McDaniels 2.0  

 

Treat other people like dog crap, talk down to them, make them feel small and that you always have to be smarter than them.  

 

Doesn't work so well in the end I think he will find out.

 

 

 

 

I like the fake smile midway through his reply.

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

He seems like a piece or garbage. Bullies usually get what they deserve. 

 

I give McDermott a bunch of football criticism but by all accounts he is a decent caring human being. Will never criticize his character. 

 

McDermott is a real one and I think when Dunne came out with that hit piece against him a few years back that really was hurtful to him because he takes a lot of pride in trying to be a good person and always do what's best for his players, his team and his family and that he really does care about these players as people first before players.  The fact that instead of getting all bent out of shape and yelling and screaming about it that he gave over an hour of his time(and it went way over the alloted time he was supposed to spend with him) to sit down with the person who just wrote that and have an open conversation with him speaks volumes to who he is and the fact his players literally acted like their asses had been lit on fire after that happened and showed what they thought of him speaks volumes as well.

 

I even think Dunne came away impressed with him after that and his respect level went up pretty hugely for him.

 

Edited Monday at 06:05 PM by Big Turk

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Josh McDaniels 2.0  

 

Treat other people like dog crap, talk down to them, make them feel small and that you always have to be smarter than them.  

 

Doesn't work so well in the end I think he will find out.

 

 

 

His reaction sucked….but the reporter was baiting him in a big way.  She got what she was hoping for but both look bad imo.  

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

His reaction sucked….but the reporter was baiting him in a big way.  She got what she was hoping for but both look bad imo.  

 

Seemed like a pretty normal "softball" question based on the interviews I have seen.

[gonzo1105]

Caleb Williams ain’t it. The Raiders and particularly Geno Smith literally tried to give them the football game over and over and he couldn’t take advantage of it. They won though in the end and again that’s what matters but if it wasn’t for the Titans I’d argue the Raiders are the worst team in the NFL right now 

[NewEra]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Seemed like a pretty normal "softball" question based on the interviews I have seen.

What she said and her delivery of it was a bad combination imo.  Agree to disagree 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What she said and her delivery of it was a bad combination imo.  Agree to disagree 

 

Based on the number of people who have no dog in the fight that have said Ben Johnson is an a-hole of the highest degree as a person over the past year or so, I would tend to go with this is him being who he is.

[Mango]

42 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Josh McDaniels 2.0  

 

Treat other people like dog crap, talk down to them, make them feel small and that you always have to be smarter than them.  

 

Doesn't work so well in the end I think he will find out.

 

 

 

 

That was gross. He was not only condescending, but he leans over her to make his point to the point she backs away. 

Fork this guy. 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Based on the number of people who have no dog in the fight that have said Ben Johnson is an a-hole of the highest degree as a person over the past year or so, I would tend to go with this is him being who he is.

I said he was wrong and I agree that he’s most likely a grade A a-hole.  And the reporter knows that too.  She got exactly what she was hoping for and they both look bad.  As a sideline reporter mid game, your job isn’t to try and get a negative reaction from the HC.  And imo, that’s exactly what she was doing 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

That was gross. He was not only condescending, but he leans over her to make his point to the point she backs away. 

Fork this guy. 

 

He seems like the kind of guy that goes out to restaurants and berates the wait staff over minor things to feel good and enjoys ruining their day just because he can.

[Mango]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What she said and her delivery of it was a bad combination imo.  Agree to disagree 

 

I don't think the issue here is the words on paper. It is the aggressiveness and physicality to his response that was the problem. He leans in to literally talk down to her. Lets change the context, if you talked to a dude like that out in public you would likely get in a bit of an altercation. He wouldn't dare do that to somebody built like Vrabel.

My partner and I have some work overlap, and if I caught a guy do that to her at a work event, we would likely have words. 

He could have condescendinly smirked and stayed standing up straight and we would all just shrugged this off. 

Edited Monday at 06:34 PM by Mango

[TheFunPolice]

Totally unlikeable coach, IMO.

 

 

I predict a total meltdown in Chicago eventually... maybe even by the end of the season 

[NewEra]

54 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't think the issue here is the words on paper. It is the aggressiveness and physicality to his response that was the problem. He leans in to literally talk down to her. Lets change the context, if you talked to a dude like that out in public you would likely get in a bit of an altercation. He wouldn't dare do that to somebody built like Vrabel.

My partner and I have some work overlap, and if I caught a guy do that to her at a work event, we would likely have words. 

He could have condescendinly smirked and stayed standing up straight and we would all just shrugged this off. 

I agree.  His response and his delivery of the response sucked.  He’s probably an a-hole.  Gregg Williams 2.0?  
 

She could’ve asked the question with a not so derogatory tone and facial expression and he took extreme exception to that.  When I heard her ask the question the way she did, I cringed in real time.  Then cringed even harder with his reaction.