Can you recall two devastating failures on the same weekend?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:35 PM, sven233 said:

It got to the point last night that I almost accepted the fact that the Chiefs are going to win it again.  Not only do they have the world's luckiest horseshoe crammed so far up their butts it's irretrievable, but as always, the refs just seem to come through for them at the biggest moments as well.  And you know the league would love to have a team 3-Peat for the first time, especially one with the posterboy of the league and Taylor Swift's presence surrounding them.  It is almost like the league is willing it into existence.

 

So, I did the only possible thing I could think of to prevent it from happening.  I went and immediately placed a bet on the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl at +550.  Let's see the universe deals with this one.......  The Chiefs' luck and all the forces surrounding them trying to carry them to another Championship VS my betting record and terrible beats that I have been dealing with all season!

 

 

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God bless you. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:05 PM, Orlando Buffalo said:

I am going to throw out a thought I had watching Bears game. If Caleb wanted Eberflus out what better way than intentionally doing what he did at the end? If Bears win that game Eberflus gets at least one more game most likely, so if you don't like him screw up the way Caleb did. I know he is a rookie but my high schoolers would not have done that. 

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Williams and his dad are Pos's, both of them. I have zero doubt he would pull something like this.

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:35 PM, sven233 said:

It got to the point last night that I almost accepted the fact that the Chiefs are going to win it again.  Not only do they have the world's luckiest horseshoe crammed so far up their butts it's irretrievable, but as always, the refs just seem to come through for them at the biggest moments as well.  And you know the league would love to have a team 3-Peat for the first time, especially one with the posterboy of the league and Taylor Swift's presence surrounding them.  It is almost like the league is willing it into existence.

 

So, I did the only possible thing I could think of to prevent it from happening.  I went and immediately placed a bet on the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl at +550.  Let's see the universe deals with this one.......  The Chiefs' luck and all the forces surrounding them trying to carry them to another Championship VS my betting record and terrible beats that I have been dealing with all season!

 

 

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Not all heros wear capes.

[Orlando Buffalo]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:57 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

Williams and his dad are Pos's, both of them. I have zero doubt he would pull something like this.

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I should be clear I am not actually accusing but if he came out in about 5 years and admitted it I would not be surprised.

[strive_for_five_guy]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:02 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

It's one reason I think the Bills win a super bowl this year or next. Gotta sell those PSLs.

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Plus, with other owners buying a stake in the Bills, got more money and hands in the pot with an interest in the Bills winning.

[Sierra Foothills]

It's funny that the conspiracy theories are coming out... in both cases being cited, the refs had zero bearing on the outcome. As has been correctly pointed out by some, both of the games were a product of immense organizational game management failures... the refs had no bearing on the outcomes.

 

The takeaway is that even in high-stakes, big money enterprises, incredibly stupid mistakes get made. I call it "the fallacy of status equalling competence." Many people I talk to just assume a person a person is competent because they've managed to accrue status or wealth.

 

Wrong.

 

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:24 PM, SoTier said:

 

On the last long FG attempt for the Raiders, the kicker's foot hit the ground before it hit the ball, so he had no power in his kick.   They showed it.  The  snap was fine.

 

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Pretty sure the "botched snap" refers to the one that bounced of Aidan O'Connell's chest and was recovered by the Chiefs.

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by Sierra Foothills

[Beck Water]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:25 PM, Rubes said:

A friend was talking about how the big money in betting might have played a role. I don’t know. I can certainly see the incentive, but it just seems too improbable that both teams would put all the effort into positioning themselves to win in the final moments, only to throw it at the last second. Am I just too naive?

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No.  I think people really do commit boneheaded acts under immense pressure, and when a lesser team has the chance to tie or win against a superior team on national television, yeah, the pressure is immense.

 

 

[Billzgobowlin]

Yes I have but usually it's because of the refs lol

[Ya Digg?]

  On 11/30/2024 at 2:55 PM, Returntoglory said:

When have we seen two absolutely devastating blown games on the same weekend?

 

The Bears/Lions horrid clock management fiasco to end the game and then the Raiders botched snap?

 

I can't recall two plays on the same weekend that were such a devastating failure for two teams.

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Wait hold on, you think in the history of the league there hasn’t been a time when players in 2 different games on the same weekend have made mistakes at the end of the game? There are games every weekend decided by a game dealing interception, someone fumbles late in a game, etc. there is absolutely nothing new about what happened in those games. Has been happening for decades, will continue to happen.

 

Gotta love social media and 24 hour sports-everything had to be the worst thing, best thing, first time, only time, greatest of all time (side note, how is it possible to have so many GOATS??)…WELL WILL THE MADNESS END?!????

Edited November 30, 2024 by Ya Digg?

[pennstate10]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:24 PM, SoTier said:

 

On the last long FG attempt for the Raiders, the kicker's foot hit the ground before it hit the ball, so he had no power in his kick.   They showed it.  The  snap was fine.

 

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The OP was talking about the botched snap that ended the game. 

[Returntoglory]

  On 11/30/2024 at 5:14 PM, Ya Digg? said:

Wait hold on, you think in the history of the league there hasn’t been a time when players in 2 different games on the same weekend have made mistakes at the end of the game? There are games every weekend decided by a game dealing interception, someone fumbles late in a game, etc. there is absolutely nothing new about what happened in those games. Has been happening for decades, will continue to happen.

 

Gotta love social media and 24 hour sports-everything had to be the worst thing, best thing, first time, only time, greatest of all time (side note, how is it possible to have so many GOATS??)…WELL WILL THE MADNESS END?!????

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Lighten up Francis  

[SoTier]

  On 11/30/2024 at 4:07 PM, Sierra Foothills said:

It's funny that the conspiracy theories are coming out... in both cases being cited, the refs had zero bearing on the outcome. As has been correctly pointed out by some, both of the games were a product of immense organizational game management failures... the refs had no bearing on the outcomes.

 

The takeaway is that even in high-stakes, big money enterprises, incredibly stupid mistakes get made. I call it "the fallacy of status equalling competence." Many people I talk to just assume a person a person is competent because they've managed to accrue status or wealth.

 

Wrong.

 

 

Pretty sure the "botched snap" refers to the one that bounced of Aidan O'Connell's chest and was recovered by the Chiefs.

 

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  On 11/30/2024 at 5:34 PM, pennstate10 said:

The OP was talking about the botched snap that ended the game. 

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My bad.  I forgot about the bad snap at the very end of the game.  

 

Sierra, I totally agree that both bad plays are symptomatic of organizational incompetence.   How many times did Bills fans during the Drought (especially during Jauron's tenure) witness the team ***** defeat from the jaws of victory with bonehead plays?   Too many to count probably.

[Ya Digg?]

  On 11/30/2024 at 5:57 PM, Returntoglory said:

Lighten up Francis  

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I just need to know, do you actually think those things have never happened before in football games? 

[Returntoglory]

  On 11/30/2024 at 6:25 PM, Ya Digg? said:

I just need to know, do you actually think those things have never happened before in football games? 

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I just need to know. Did you read my post? 

[Don Otreply]

  On 11/30/2024 at 2:59 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm starting to believe this.

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Ask the script writer…, 

 

 

he has his own show, 

[Einstein's Dog]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:48 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I was thinking about the same thing OP.

 

The Raiders failure was more than just a botched snap. They never should have been trying to run another play outside of a FG attempt. I don't care that Carlson had already missed 3 FG's. At least two were way beyond 50 yards. Like 56 and 58 yards. Raiders had the ball at the 32. That's a 50 yard FG. 15 seconds no timeouts, you just kick the ball there. 

 

It was a coaching failure. First off, the previous snap to kill the clock should have happened at 10 seconds, not 15. KC still had a couple time outs and we saw what they can do with two timeouts and 13seconds left. 

 

Both games were monumental coaching failures with young QB's. And I think in the Raiders case, their center is a rookie. 

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Agree, the Raiders failure was more than a botched snap.   

 

Prior to that sequence when the guy went around the end and made it to near the 32, his not going out of bounds was baffling.   

 

Even with the clock running tI didn't think needed to spike the ball, just run a play, they still had over 20 seconds.  A quick hitter over the middle, then move up quick and spike the ball and then attempt the FG to win the game.

 

Early unnecessary usage of TOs came back to haunt them.

 

[Sierra Foothills]

  On 11/30/2024 at 7:39 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

Agree, the Raiders failure was more than a botched snap.   

 

Prior to that sequence when the guy went around the end and made it to near the 32, his not going out of bounds was baffling.   

 

Even with the clock running tI didn't think needed to spike the ball, just run a play, they still had over 20 seconds.  A quick hitter over the middle, then move up quick and spike the ball and then attempt the FG to win the game.

 

Early unnecessary usage of TOs came back to haunt them.

 

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Yes, they also took their final timeout with about 2:12 remaining. That's when they pulled the punt team off the field in order to try the failed 58 yard field goal instead.

 

 

[Carmel Corn]

  On 11/30/2024 at 2:55 PM, Returntoglory said:

When have we seen two absolutely devastating blown games on the same weekend?

 

The Bears/Lions horrid clock management fiasco to end the game and then the Raiders botched snap?

 

I can't recall two plays on the same weekend that were such a devastating failure for two teams.

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In the “Swiftie” universe, anything that benefits the Chiefs is possible.

[TBBills Fan]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:25 PM, Rubes said:

A friend was talking about how the big money in betting might have played a role. I don’t know. I can certainly see the incentive, but it just seems too improbable that both teams would put all the effort into positioning themselves to win in the final moments, only to throw it at the last second. Am I just too naive?

 

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Doubt it both teams were huge favorites so the losing teams covered 

 

In fact the 3 easiest bets of the year were giants plus 10, bears plus 10 and raiders plus 13

[Beck Water]

  On 11/30/2024 at 6:25 PM, SoTier said:

 

 

My bad.  I forgot about the bad snap at the very end of the game.  

 

Sierra, I totally agree that both bad plays are symptomatic of organizational incompetence.   How many times did Bills fans during the Drought (especially during Jauron's tenure) witness the team ***** defeat from the jaws of victory with bonehead plays?   Too many to count probably.

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once again the naughty word filter strikes - can't use s n a t c h

 

But seriously - to anyone nurturing some conspiracy theory: look at Olympic athletes, these guys and gals are not only the best in their country, but the best in the world since for sports like diving, gymnastics, ice skating etc the countries that didn't have an athlete in the top 10 at the last Olympics need to place at world competitions to even qualify for an Olympic spot.  These are athletes that can nail a triple back somersault with two twists and a Rip! entry all week in diving practice (or analogous) and Yet, when the pressure is on and it really counts, how often do we see them mess up?  All the time.... it's one thing to have the elite athletic traits, and another to have the mental makeup that can handle the pressure flawlessly.

 

I agree that there are symptoms of organizational incompetence or poor coaching (Caleb Williams may be indicative of that) but, there are also symptoms of humans making mental mistakes under pressure.  Interesting book by Sian Beilock about it, called Choke (not to be confused with the novel by the same name):

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Choke/Sian-Beilock/9781416596189

[Beck Water]

  On 11/30/2024 at 3:41 PM, Returntoglory said:

I disagree.

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I mean, he's disagreeing with your disagreement.  So can you collect some other evidence?  I can think of, for example, horrible clock management by Dak Prescott to lose a game for the Cowboys; showboating instead of jumping up and handing the ball to the ref by Chase Claypool that cost the Steelers about 5 seconds during their final drive that would have tied the game; I agree with @JGMcD2 that botching the crucial throw or the crucial catch or the crucial kick causes teams to lose games in the final seconds all the time, so with 32 teams playing every week the chances that this has happened in two games in a weekend seems pretty high.

What's different here is that both games were the only game being played at that time and both nationally televised.