Warriorspikes51 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: no trades... I want Diggs and Mike Evans lined up at WR next year for the Bills, with a 1st or 2nd round rookie and Shakir as well, and maybe a proven decent vet guy like Beasley was when we signed him. Diggs Mike Evans Thomas Jr / Franklin / Legette / AD Mitchell / Worthy Shakir Curtis Samuel Shorter YES. Will never happen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Sigh. You are your own worst enemy. That is rich coming from you lol...especially for someone who is obviously desperate to be taken serious around here after lots of previous nonsense yet can't help himself and revert back to nonsense like gas lighting and manipulating a narrative while ignoring the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Diggs Mike Evans Thomas Jr / Franklin / Legette / AD Mitchell / Worthy Shakir Curtis Samuel Shorter YES. Will never happen. Evans would be interesting, but I don't think they are going to go after any of the bigger WR names. Not only do we have a WR1 still in Diggs, but Shakir is set to take a large WR role this year and Kincaid showed he was worth the hype. Between those 2, we already have a strong first 3 reads for Allen. This draft is very WR heavy, so I think they are going to go after a rookie who can start opposite Diggs early in the draft with the potential to become a WR1 to succeed Diggs, then add another prospect somewhere else in the draft. I do think they will still bring in a vet, maybe 2 and Samuel is the type of Vet I can see them bringing in (not saying it will be him specifically). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Diggs Mike Evans Thomas Jr / Franklin / Legette / AD Mitchell / Worthy Shakir Curtis Samuel Shorter YES. Will never happen. I hope he proves me wrong but Shorter has the feel of one of those high-ceiling prospects that never pans out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 22 minutes ago, Einstein said: I hope he proves me wrong but Shorter has the feel of one of those high-ceiling prospects that never pans out. it would be a massive bonus if he made decent contributions to the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Diggs playoff performances has been replacement level. I can't wait for the 2025 version of "Stephon Diggs Crytpic tweets, another teams problems" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Oh joy! This thread is back. He's not going anywhere this season. After 2024 - it's an option. It would cost us extra money and less in compensation to do it this year. We're not going to bite off our nose to spite our face when we can just wait a year. Especially in a year where we have to replace upwards of half of our WR core already and are so far in the red. We're approximately 54m over this year. Next year, we're 26.6m under the cap. We'll Draft a guy this year in Round 1. He'll take some coverage and pressure away from Diggs. Which will allow him to play more like himself and not get as burned to the wick as quickly. We'll probably double dip in the later rounds to provide insurance ala Elam and Benford in 2022. Let those guys get a year of experience under them and groom them under an all time great. Then, if those guys take off immediately, we can move Diggs' contract if we feel we no longer need him. It will cost us less, the opposing team won't have as much to take on which will yield us more in a trade, and we'll be in a better shape capwise, and hopefully roster wise, that it won't hurt us nearly as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Oh joy! This thread is back. He's not going anywhere this season. After 2024 - it's an option. It would cost us extra money and less in compensation to do it this year. We're not going to bite off our nose to spite our face when we can just wait a year. Especially in a year where we have to replace upwards of half of our WR core already and are so far in the red. We're approximately 54m over this year. Next year, we're 26.6m under the cap. We'll Draft a guy this year in Round 1. He'll take some coverage and pressure away from Diggs. Which will allow him to play more like himself and not get as burned to the wick as quickly. We'll probably double dip in the later rounds to provide insurance ala Elam and Benford in 2022. Let those guys get a year of experience under them and groom them under an all time great. Then, if those guys take off immediately, we can move Diggs' contract if we feel we no longer need him. It will cost us less, the opposing team won't have as much to take on which will yield us more in a trade, and we'll be in a better shape capwise, and hopefully roster wise, that it won't hurt us nearly as much. How does it cost us extra money to do it this year? My understanding is that, on the whole, it saves us more money to get it done this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 18 hours ago, FireChans said: How does it cost us extra money to do it this year? My understanding is that, on the whole, it saves us more money to get it done this year. Diggs' dead-cap hit this season would be higher then what we're actually paying him. It would quite literally cost us more to get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 18 hours ago, FireChans said: How does it cost us extra money to do it this year? My understanding is that, on the whole, it saves us more money to get it done this year. He has a $27.8M cap hit if he is on the team. Or a $31M dead cap hit if we move him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ Next year his cap hit will be $27.3M on the team, or $22.2M is we move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He has a $27.8M cap hit if he is on the team. Or a $31M dead cap hit if we move him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ Next year his cap hit will be $27.3M on the team, or $22.2M is we move him. Look at post 6/1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I still see no cryptic tweets 👀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: Look at post 6/1. You tell me. I'm also curious to know how this little contract tidbit affects those numbers: 2024 salary fully guarantees 03/17/2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: You tell me. I'm also curious to know how this little contract tidbit affects those numbers: 2024 salary fully guarantees 03/17/2024 And moving on from him post 6/1 jams up the dead cap next season. 2024 is the first year of his extension, there is virtually no way to move on from Diggs the next 2 seasons without killing the Cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: You tell me. I'm also curious to know how this little contract tidbit affects those numbers: 2024 salary fully guarantees 03/17/2024 03/17/2024 → 6/1/2024 2024 Dead Cap: $49,596,000 2024 Cap Savings: $-21,742,000 Post 6/1 release: 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,0002025 Dead Cap: $22,247,0002024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 they make a special point to delineate the 2024 salary guaranteeing on 3/17 but still giving the 6/1 date after. So…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, FireChans said: 03/17/2024 → 6/1/2024 2024 Dead Cap: $49,596,000 2024 Cap Savings: $-21,742,000 Post 6/1 release: 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,0002025 Dead Cap: $22,247,0002024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 they make a special point to delineate the 2024 salary guaranteeing on 3/17 but still giving the 6/1 date after. So…. It’s been discussed on Locked On/Cover 1 at length, there is no way to move on from Diggs the next 2 seasons without eating an absolute ungodly amount of dead cap. Take a listen if you want, they explain it better than I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said: It’s been discussed on Locked On/Cover 1 at length, there is no way to move on from Diggs the next 2 seasons without eating an absolute ungodly amount of dead cap. Take a listen if you want, they explain it better than I can. Not to sound arrogant, but I don’t find those guys to have as trustworthy opinions as others do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Not to sound arrogant, but I don’t find those guys to have as trustworthy opinions as others do. Oh they are homers for sure, but I dig it. If I need some Buffalo Bills doom and gloom, I just come here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FireChans said: 03/17/2024 → 6/1/2024 2024 Dead Cap: $49,596,000 2024 Cap Savings: $-21,742,000 Post 6/1 release: 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,0002025 Dead Cap: $22,247,0002024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 they make a special point to delineate the 2024 salary guaranteeing on 3/17 but still giving the 6/1 date after. So…. But then what is the 2025 dead cap number you are kicking down the road? That money doesnt just disappear because you wait until June 1. I'm also not really following your numbers or how you have them laid out as it pertains to releasing/trading Diggs and his cap numbers. 14 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: And moving on from him post 6/1 jams up the dead cap next season. 2024 is the first year of his extension, there is virtually no way to move on from Diggs the next 2 seasons without killing the Cap. We can do it in 2025 to save $5M. But I have to think $5M isnt worth losing a player like Diggs over. Edited February 21 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Oh they are homers for sure, but I dig it. If I need some Buffalo Bills doom and gloom, I just come here lol What really turned me off of Cover1 was them carrying water for Dorsey all season pointing to his EPA/play etc etc; until he got fired, then doing a complete 180 and talking about how had a lack of feel for calling a game, and calling a series and the chess match stuff. Neither take is necessarily bad (despite my personal opinions) but I find very little value in takes that change with the wind. If they lack conviction, then they are just saying stuff they think people want to hear. This calls their objectivity into question. Even in their Diggs' contract takes (which I begrudgingly listened to), they start off talking about how he still has value, how he's still a WR1, how they think he's very valuable to the Bills, then talk about how his contract is "unmovable." Are they saying that because they actually believe it, or because they want it to be true? Once that question needs to be asked, you aren't worth my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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