Man with No Name Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 difficult to have any confidence in his ability to return to form last year. we have seen with both von and Tre that they are not back to their best after 12 months. Von looked a lot better against the chiefs, but he was useless for most of the season, and probably still only 80 to 90% now. and this is something like 14 months post injury. Tre took somewhere between 15-20 months to get IT back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The he BETTER be taking a massive salary cut or taking phantom years on that deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I know i.m rambling like a crazy person but it's insane to me that our 3rd running back coming off an ACL would be the best paid guy in the room when that's the difference between keeping Floyd or Epenesa or Daquan. Not saying they can't do some but it seems like the dumbest waste of resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Success said: Hines is talented. He, Johnson & Cook sounds good to me. I can tolerate Hines as our return man and RB3 but it's gotta come on a lesser cap hit or whatever was negotiated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 They'd be crazy to get rid of a phenominal receiving RB like Hines. We need someone with great skills to not get involved in our offense. If not him, then who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PBF81 said: They'd be crazy to get rid of a phenominal receiving RB like Hines. We need someone with great skills to not get involved in our offense. If not him, then who. Ty Johnson!!! He caught every ball in which he was targeted except for one game. He has that spark we need and must be retained. I feel like we don't need Hines to start the season and go through another Von Miller-like saga... let's hope we can find the right return specialist as a Plan B if he suffers from a lack of production in the preseason. Edited January 25 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 28 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Ty Johnson!!! He caught every ball in which he was targeted except for one game. He has that spark we need and must be retained. I feel like we don't need Hines to start the season and go through another Von Miller-like saga... let's hope we can find the right return specialist as a Plan B if he suffers from a lack of production in the preseason. I think Ty Johnson will be back. He'll probably want to be back and it won't cost much for a journeyman vet RB. No one's going to make him their starter or break the bank for a 2nd or 3rd RB. Basically it will be Hines replacing Latavius Murray. If he struggles throughout Camp and the Pre-Season and shows he's lost a step, than he may not make the 53. But he'll be here at Camp regardless. 45 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I know i.m rambling like a crazy person but it's insane to me that our 3rd running back coming off an ACL would be the best paid guy in the room when that's the difference between keeping Floyd or Epenesa or Daquan. Not saying they can't do some but it seems like the dumbest waste of resources Yeah, but without the deal they made with him last season - there's a player we would have missed out on then. Obviously part of that deal was he wouldn't be cut before this season and he'd be given a real chance to make the roster this year. They decided they'd rather save some money last year than this year. Just is what it is. Now he has to stick to his word or risk losing faith with players in their locker room and potential FA's down the road. And as others have said, I'd doubt he'll have that full hit. He'll probably take a pay cut or have his deal restructured in a way to save us some space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 Another thing showing he's not going anywhere is Spotrac. He isn't listed as a player that has a simple Out in his contract like other players. Today they posted ways to save money. Hines was not listed among them. Which I take as them knowing it's not as simple as just cutting him and saving a full $5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This is terrible for our roster. Cook, Ty and a bruiser is ideal. If we lose Ty or a bruiser because we keep him for 5M -💩 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 (edited) 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: This is terrible for our roster. Cook, Ty and a bruiser is ideal. If we lose Ty or a bruiser because we keep him for 5M -💩 I'd doubt we'll lose Ty. He's not going to cost much of anything and he'll be motivated to stay. I don't see a huge market for an RB2/3. And I'd imagine we're still going to have a Bruiser. Last season we started the year with Cook, Harris, Murray, and Johnson on the 53. Hines will replace Murray and they'll have someone else to replace Harris's role. Probably a late round pick. As I and others have said, I'm sure that numbers going to come down somehow. But it just is what it is. He took his medicine last season, we were able to save some Cap for last year to get some help then. We take a little bit of medicine this year. He can't go back on his word and it's clear from yesterday's presser, he's not going to. Edited January 25 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 51 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Ty Johnson!!! He caught every ball in which he was targeted except for one game. He has that spark we need and must be retained. I feel like we don't need Hines to start the season and go through another Von Miller-like saga... let's hope we can find the right return specialist as a Plan B if he suffers from a lack of production in the preseason. Yeah, I was just joking though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'd doubt we'll lose Ty. He's not going to cost much of anything and he'll be motivated to stay. I don't see a huge market for an RB2/3. And I'd imagine we're still going to have a Bruiser. Last season we started the year with Cook, Harris, Murray, and Johnson on the 53. Hines will replace Murray and they'll have someone else to replace Harris's role. Probably a late round pick. As I and others have said, I'm sure that numbers going to come down somehow. But it just is what it is. He took his medicine last season, we were able to save some Cap for last year to get some help then. We take a little bit of medicine this year. He can't go back on his word and it's clear from yesterday's presser, he's not going to. Yeah- Beane is a man of his word- but he’s a waste of a roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 It seems like Nyheim Hines and Deonte Harty are two luxuries for we can’t really afford to have both of, but we shall see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 38 minutes ago, SCBills said: It seems like Nyheim Hines and Deonte Harty are two luxuries for we can’t really afford to have both of, but we shall see. Harty's most likely done. He's got an out in his contract, probably by design. A 1 year trial that didn't work out. Thankful for the Kick Return in the Miami game, but that alone doesn't save him. And with Hines staying, he'll be the Returner anyways (as he was supposed to be last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: people are scared about the $5m… he cut that number last year BEFORE his injury … so he won’t be getting that in 2024… think about halving that which works for kick and punt return, and being an RB contributor provided he has fully recovered from his injury … if he cant demonstrate that in the preseason games then he is gone .. well, that’s his 2024 number as of today. this thread would be far more successful declaring he won’t be a cap casualty if he cuts his pay than declaring the bills have guaranteed him a spot I do think in reframing him though- had he been healthy it would’ve been really interesting to see Brady use him. The colts had him spending real time in the wr room. Now picture some of the totes we’ve seen from cook since the change in OC. That we never got a chance to see him used like that is a bummer. i guess maybe 2024 happens but a lot has to come together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That may or may not be true. But it doesn't change the fact that he will not be told "goodbye". And he absolutely would have made the squad last year. We wouldn't have signed Damien Harris or Latavius Murray if he were on the roster. We gave up a pick and a player for him and said before the injury he was being brought on slow in 2022 because he was just learning the playbook and that they had big plans for him. Perhaps he'll take a pay cut or there's a way they can restructure it to create space. But pre injury, he was one of the better pass catching RB's in the league and a top returner with rare speed for a RB. Those are valued traits you can't just find anywhere. Where/when was this guy "a top returner"? He had 2 decent years catching the ball. He's a dime a dozen ST'er. Where's the value? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Where/when was this guy "a top returner"? He had 2 decent years catching the ball. He's a dime a dozen ST'er. Where's the value? Dime a dozen? The guy had two returns for a TD in the same game. How many times have you seen that? You can argue your opinion of his value all you want. That's not the point of the post. The point is he's not getting cut before the final cutdown. And unless he shows he's lost a step or is clearly beat out, probably won't be cut at all. Edited January 25 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Yeah- Beane is a man of his word- but he’s a waste of a roster spot. We'll see. If he's the same player he was in Indianapolis and hasn't lost a step - this is absolutely incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Spending 5m on a recieving back coming off an ACL tear just shows how much we are spinning our wheels. That money could go to a meaningful upgrade, but nope, let’s use it on Hines. Running backs are dime a dozen, we signed Johnson off the scrap heap and he was productive. There is truly no hope with these complacent people in charge. Edited January 25 by MWK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: He should be. If he's released they save 5 million against the cap. He only has a 500k dead cap hit if released. Wanted to check this and yes, his salary hit is $5,480,000 with just $500,000 dead if cut. I can't see how a backup RB — even if he returns kicks — can make this money. Edited January 25 by Nephilim17 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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