RyanC883 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 34 minutes ago, DC Greg said: Not sure if you've seen some the Stand Your Ground defenses that have worked down there and in other states, but many juries in Florida have very, very loosely interpreted what constitutes "threatened with deadly force". Yeah, we all seem to think from the details of this case it's a straight up cold blooded murder, but I thought that in some other cases and the killer got off with Stand Your Ground. People seem to have wildly differing views on what constitutes a "deadly threat" and what justifies someone in killing that person to "protect themselves" with a firearm. A few examples: https://www.propublica.org/article/five-stand-your-ground-cases-you-should-know-about your source is a bit biased. Most aren't from Florida, and one of the 5 is from a state without a "stand your ground" law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Seventeen said: Sure thing boss - this type of thing never happens anywhere else. Has a bills fan ever murdered an opposing fan after a game? Florida people are ummm different. The culture they're fostering especially in South Florida is embarrassing. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Previous thread on this was removed. There were also two sites which were non-professional made sites one which was copying other sites for content and many tags to try to being GoFundMe site found more often on search sites; they are gone. Initial site stated he was from Buffalo but he is from Hollywood, Florida. Somebody was trying to amp donations. Today there is article on CBS News: Vehicle from Sunday's deadly shooting near Hard Rock Stadium found https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/vehicle-from-sundays-deadly-shooting-near-hard-rock-stadium-found/ Quote According to the GoFundMe Page, Isaac, who was a Buffalo fan, was walking through traffic with friends after the Bills' win and got into an argument with a man who tried to hit them with his vehicle. When the man tried to drive off, Isaac and company reportedly went after him. That's when the man stopped, got out, and shot Issacs, according to the GoFundMe page. On Isaac's Facebook page, it said he was from Brantford, Ontario, and was living in Hollywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 With the location of the vehicle, a suspect will soon be named. I always felt it was just a matter of time before some gun nut ruined the tailgating experience with a mass shooting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 🙏🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 This is horrible and senseless…. It’s football …. Entertainment not life or death. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 RIP Dylan. Such a tragedy. This crap happens too much in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Has a bills fan ever murdered an opposing fan after a game? Florida people are ummm different. The culture they're fostering especially in South Florida is embarrassing. How do you know the shooter was from Florida ? S. Fla has a ton of transplants as well as immigrants. We're hearing now that the shooting had nothing to do with the game and more to do with road rage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 34 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Yeah, there were crowds all over that area. Given authorities have located the vehicle, should just be a matter of time before this criminal is behind bars, and hopefully for a long time. The only silver lining is Florida has Capital Punishment and they do use it in situations such as this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Seventeen said: How do you know the shooter was from Florida ? S. Fla has a ton of transplants as well as immigrants. We're hearing now that the shooting had nothing to do with the game and more to do with road rage. OK …. Somehow road rage is a better basis to kill someone? The whole premise is off. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Sad to see NOTHING on Fins message board about this. Not surprised. Classless fan base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, BuffaloBill said: OK …. Somehow road rage is a better basis to kill someone? The whole premise is off. Right. Whether the person is angry because the Dolphins lost, they’re stuck in traffic, both, or whatever else, clearly the person has anger issues and mental health problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 24 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: OK …. Somehow road rage is a better basis to kill someone? The whole premise is off. Huh ? Never OK to kill anyone for any reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 56 minutes ago, Beast said: You don’t have a defense for murder when someone is touching your vehicle. Cripes. Agreed, but reading about some of the crazy cases where people have gotten away with murder in stand your ground states, it shows that there is never a sure thing. Often depends on the personal beliefs of the jury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, DC Greg said: Not sure if you've seen some the Stand Your Ground defenses that have worked down there and in other states, but many juries in Florida have very, very loosely interpreted what constitutes "threatened with deadly force". Yeah, we all seem to think from the details of this case it's a straight up cold blooded murder, but I thought that in some other cases and the killer got off with Stand Your Ground. People seem to have wildly differing views on what constitutes a "deadly threat" and what justifies someone in killing that person to "protect themselves" with a firearm. A few examples: https://www.propublica.org/article/five-stand-your-ground-cases-you-should-know-about "The law removes a person’s duty to retreat before using deadly force against another in any place he has the legal right to be – so long as he reasonably believed he or someone else faced imminent death or great bodily harm". The shooter can't make this argument vs an unarmed pedestrian. It's road rage--as simple and tragic as that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 56 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: your source is a bit biased. Most aren't from Florida, and one of the 5 is from a state without a "stand your ground" law. It's a law very similar to SYG. Splitting hairs on that. Not sure how you think the source is biased. It just lists 5 cases and strictly the facts of what each case was and the result. Those 5 are just a sampling. I mean if you want to argue that those are aberrations from the statistical norm or something, that's an argument. But that doesn't make the cases listed in that article untrue. There's also a lot more information available to you with a quick google search on other cases where people were shot while running away, shot when there wasn't an imminent threat to the killer's life, etc. 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "The law removes a person’s duty to retreat before using deadly force against another in any place he has the legal right to be – so long as he reasonably believed he or someone else faced imminent death or great bodily harm". The shooter can't make this argument vs an unarmed pedestrian. It's road rage--as simple and tragic as that is. Yeah I agree it probably wouldn't fly in this case. But what you are highlighting has also been disregarded by juries in other SYG cases. There are times when people were shot while fleeing, and they still made arguments like "well they could have turned around and come back, so their life was still in danger" to let the killer off. It happens unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubanmist 1 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Miami is just a conglomerate of good people morons, gangsters, uneducated, hypocrites, drunks, and racists. Went to a Dolphins game once to see the Bills and it will be the last time! I almost got into a fight in the “family” section!! 2 drunks (dolphins fans) were harassing a family, Bills fans, and I intervened. It was scary due to my family and I being seated up high, but I wasn’t going to punk out. Thankfully, security came to the rescue. Now, Jacksonville is a better stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Understood, my comment was in reply to @WhitewalkerInPhilly It's tragic and senseless and could have happened anywhere, that was my point. Yup. And I realized that I was inappropriate. Again, my apologies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Truly, truly awful. RIP to the victim, may his family eventually find peace in the middle of this senselessness, and perp(s) be brought to the light of day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Sad. The level of violence in this country is very disturbing!!! 3 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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