PepeSilvia Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 think the root of the problem is that the roster isn’t as great as everyone thought it was. Besides Josh Allen and Diggs, defenses don’t have to game plan or fear anyone else. we don’t have any other receiving options (Kincaid may get there) besides Diggs. the zone defense was great for 5 years against average to below average teams. They have drafted high round, non-impactful pass rushers and in turn had to pay 140 million dollars to a 33 year old pass rusher to overcompensate. hyde and poyer are showing their age besides Matt Milano, who do offenses really game plan for?! whenever this zone defense faces elite quarterbacks it gets shredded. This is nothing new and has been exposed over and over and over again. Everyone keeps saying we’re stuck in the mud, I think we’re lacking high end talent 2 1 3 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 it's a combo. Bean has missed on numerous high round picks. The Groot/Basham duo are particularly glaring. Ignoring WR2 and the continual "hope" that a player improves is nonsensical. That said, McD can't coach himself out of a paper bag on game day against good teams. The defensive timeouts, the lack of knowledge as to why the offense stops going up tempo (note to McD: you are the HC!), have held the team back more than the lack of talent. Even with this current team, we should have beat the Jets, Jags, and Cincy with better offensive playcalling--it's on both Dorsey and McD at this point. 3 1 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Bills oline struggles against good dlines and can't get run game going. Then they rely on Allen too much to make things happen. Too many dline picks and not enough oline picks. Too many bad picks too. Need a WR2 as well. Kincaid is good and he'll get better. I'm hoping Torrence plays better too. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 The offense is Allen, Kincaid, and Diggs (presumably). The defense is Milano (assuming he recovers), Oliver (due to contract), and Taron Johnson (by necessity). Then you can maybe toss in Bernard, Rousseau, and Torrence and hope they develop. Just about everyone else are free agents, potential cap casualties, or in desperate need of upgrade. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I've said for some time that this roster has never been as great as some fans were led to believe. Lots of woefully average players and backups but very few stars. Top heavy and many of these said impact players are constantly hurt year after year. This is why having the right GM entering a crucial roster reset/rebuild is critical and look no further than the Chiefs and the best GM in the NFL who executed a similar transition to perfection a few years ago when everyone though the Chiefs window was closing especially when they opted to traded away the best WR in the NFL. Not only did they hit on key draft picks finding multiple legit starters, they drafted some real stars/probowlers and won a SB with them last year when they were rookies/2nd year players. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 We have no game breakers up front on the DL. It's a massive issue, and given the investment... unacceptable. When everyone is healthy, we have a ton of above average/very good DL and it shows - as they are a menace when rushing together. However, when one of them goes down to injury, the fact none of them can take over a game with any regularity is glaring. 3 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 The "top 5" roster proclamation that was championed here back in August was nutz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 If we were getting the most that we could from this offense then the issue might be talent. But this offense is nowhere near optimized. If Allen had predated McD, the odds of McD even making the short-list for HC would have been slim. At least from someone that knew what they were doing in selecting a HC. We've got a lot of cart/horse stuff here. McD hired before a GM. GM clearly then coming from Carolina. (just like McD's entire senior coaching staff, as if they were all the "best options" for the positions) Then Allen being drafted while the offense was all but ignored while Mr. Defense and his GM toady catering to his FFL defensive methodologies. And if talent's in issue after 6 full drafts, the fire Beane. Again, if we had to build starting lineups from Beane's draft picks apart from Allen and to support Allen and the offense, here's what we have to work with: DL: Oliver, AJE, Groot LB: Bernard, Williams DB: Johnson, Jackson, Benford, Elam OL: Brown, Torrence RB: Cook WR: Davis, Shakir, Shorter TE: Kincaid, Knox Good luck with that. Both talent and coaching are the issue. And honestly, when your head coach has stated multiple times now that he is clueless as to what's wrong much less how to correct it, I mean seriously, what is Pegula waiting for! Imagine telling your boss that you have no idea how to do your job effectively. SMH 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I don't understand why, when you have a QB like Josh Allen, you don't go out and at least TRY to put a super team around him. I feel like that should have been the goal since he was drafted, and once we went to the AFCCG and even the following year, getting SO close, but knowing we were missing pieces, why not just go all out? Look at how stubborn The Ravens org. was with Lamar. They finally get him some legit weapons and now they look like the best team in the AFC. Lamar was able to carry the team a bit due to sheer talent(when healthy) and they relied on him too much for that, but now he has pieces around him and they look unstoppable. Speaking of The Ravens. I fear with the injuries we have this year, we are this seasons Ravens. Decimated by injuries and quite possibly not making the playoffs. Ugh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 The Bills have lost good coaching on both sides of the football in Daboll and Frazier and tried to fill the void with a QB coach and HC doing double duty. I blame the Beane head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Airseven said: The "top 5" roster proclamation that was championed here back in August was nutz. I mean, the last time we saw a healthier Bills team they tore apart Miami. But injuries are part of it so let’s see how they adjust. I’m not optimistic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I mean, the last time we saw a healthier Bills team they tore apart Miami. But injuries are part of it so let’s see how they adjust. I’m not optimistic though. Injuries are not a part of it. The team that beat the Bills on Sunday has zero current significant injuries. KC has one. Baltimore has one. Jacksonville has zero. The teams that are currently playing well in the AFC have the fewest injuries. That is not a coincidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Injuries are not a part of it. The team that beat the Bills on Sunday has zero current significant injuries. KC has one. Baltimore has one. Jacksonville has zero. The teams that are currently playing well in the AFC have the fewest injuries. That is not a coincidence. Ravens had a ton of injuries to start the year. Only difference is those guys came back. Bills are definitely hit probably the worst of the winning teams. Even Allen is playing hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Ravens had a ton of injuries to start the year. Only difference is those guys came back. Bills are definitely hit probably the worst of the winning teams. Even Allen is playing hurt. Exactly. Injury luck is just as important as talent and coaching in winning a Superbowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Figster said: The Bills have lost good coaching on both sides of the football in Daboll and Frazier and tried to fill the void with a QB coach and HC doing double duty. I blame the Beane head... Beane?!? He has ZERO say in coaching decisions. ZERO. That is all McD and Terry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepeSilvia Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said: Injuries are not a part of it. The team that beat the Bills on Sunday has zero current significant injuries. KC has one. Baltimore has one. Jacksonville has zero. The teams that are currently playing well in the AFC have the fewest injuries. That is not a coincidence. What do the injuries on defense have to do with the fact that the offense had 7 pts total with 54 minutes left in 4 of the last 5 games. take away their best game (Miami) and their worst game (pick any of the other 8 games) and that’s what they are. This isn’t just a this season problem. This started to show in the second half of last season. Even when healthy, this defense gets exposed by elite quarterbacks and plays well against average to below average quarterbacks. The roster even when healthy has holes and not enough impactful players that were drafted high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 On 11/8/2023 at 4:00 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Beane?!? He has ZERO say in coaching decisions. ZERO. That is all McD and Terry. To me in this article it sounds like the Bills GM is very much involved IMO. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/36960/who-replaces-brian-daboll-will-be-vital-decision-in-sean-mcdermotts-bills-tenure If not, then perhaps he should be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/8/2023 at 8:32 AM, juno999 said: Bills oline struggles against good dlines and can't get run game going. Then they rely on Allen too much to make things happen. Too many dline picks and not enough oline picks. Too many bad picks too. Need a WR2 as well. Kincaid is good and he'll get better. I'm hoping Torrence plays better too. McDermott had 7 years to upgrade this OL. Instead he dicked around with failed Defensive picks. Basically he tells Josh "you'll have no run game or #2 wr and like it. Go out there and do something heroic". 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/8/2023 at 1:34 PM, Figster said: The Bills have lost good coaching on both sides of the football in Daboll and Frazier and tried to fill the void with a QB coach and HC doing double duty. I blame the Beane head... I think Beane also but not because of who is coaching. Im glad Daboll is gone. Dorsey is fine for Dabboll. McDermott has done better than expected for what he has to work with on the defensive side, but that'll get worse in coming weeks. Everyone loved the Cook pick and this is what you get. 180 pound guy praised by fan boys as a top 5 rb and they keep putting him in the game. Cincy used 2 spies on the qb. Without a run threat or even an attempt to wear defenses down you can hand pick your coordinator and it's still all on 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 On 11/7/2023 at 6:10 PM, PepeSilvia said: think the root of the problem is that the roster isn’t as great as everyone thought it was. Besides Josh Allen and Diggs, defenses don’t have to game plan or fear anyone else. we don’t have any other receiving options (Kincaid may get there) besides Diggs. the zone defense was great for 5 years against average to below average teams. They have drafted high round, non-impactful pass rushers and in turn had to pay 140 million dollars to a 33 year old pass rusher to overcompensate. hyde and poyer are showing their age besides Matt Milano, who do offenses really game plan for?! whenever this zone defense faces elite quarterbacks it gets shredded. This is nothing new and has been exposed over and over and over again. Everyone keeps saying we’re stuck in the mud, I think we’re lacking high end talent We have high end talent on offense , the coaching staff is refusing to adjust and stick with concepts that are ineffective. The defense is lacking talent but that is due to injuries and are holding up well enough. The Tom Brady offense needs to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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