Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: The play was 3-15 and the Jags got trapped inside the 10. There is no guarantee that the 4th down punt would have produced a better result than that. Yea the majority of Josh’s ints actually have helped us. One was an arm punt on 2nd and long which isn’t a huge negative but it’s throwing a down away, and one was a very bad pick at midfield against the jets. all the others were fine. It’s kind of crazy all ints count the same on that stat sheet 😂 I can’t believe how important that play to diggs was. Obviously you change the way the game is played a bit but that could’ve been a 400 passing yard 4 total td win for josh if diggs hangs on to that ball that was literally in his hands Edited October 10, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said: Normally I’d agree, but I’m pretty sure the DB who won is a very small CB Yes that's my point AJ Brown would have just ripped the ball off the defenders head, Jefferson would have knifed it from between his hands, Hill would have backflipped over the DB and caught it between his legs or something Diggs is a very explosive in short areas/surgical precise footwork/sticky hands kind of guy but he's not going to just beast out and physically dominate the contested catch situation, and tbh I don't expect him to because that's not really his game 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I don't know if Diggs does tbh because he's not a big contested catch guy But AJ Brown, Hill, Adams etc are coming down w that ball a decent amount of the time and if not they're certainly not letting it go for an INT edit for photo Diggs won a walk-off playoff game with one of the greatest contested catches I’ve ever seen. He can make and has made that play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Yea the majority of Josh’s ints actually have helped us. One was an arm punt on 2nd and long which isn’t a huge negative but it’s throwing a down away, and one was a very bad pick at midfield against the jets. all the others were fine. It’s kind of crazy all ints count the same on that stat sheet 😂 I can’t believe how important that play to diggs was. Obviously you change the way the game is played a bit but that could’ve been a 400 passing yard 4 total td win for josh if diggs hangs on to that ball that was literally in his hands The DB was falling backward towards the ground, so he was working with gravity. Diggs was trying to fight both the DB and physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Diggs won a walk-off playoff game with one of the greatest contested catches I’ve ever seen. He can make and has made that play. Which one was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Catching downfield requires a lot of concentration in addition to great body control The wr who has tracked the ball and gathers himself to go up is almost always in a better position to make a play than the DB who has been sprinting w head turned and his momentum going away...which works against catching a pass It's easier to catch a pass downfield the slower you as a receiver are moving, your momentum away from the ball works against you The DB's momentum wasn't going away though? He didn't break his stride at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Which one was that? He's talking about the Minneapolis Miracle, but it wasn't really a contested catch: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: The DB was falling backward towards the ground, so he was working with gravity. Diggs was trying to fight both the DB and physics. Yea I don’t even think he had to rip the ball out and possess it solo though…if he just falls on top of the guy with his hands still on the ball too we probably get credit for the catch. a lot of that would’ve come down to the ruling on the field though of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: He's talking about the Minneapolis Miracle, but it wasn't really a contested catch: Completely different catch Edited October 10, 2023 by GoBills808 add photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The DB's momentum wasn't going away though? He didn't break his stride at all. i was going to use a soccer analogy- on long goal kicks the defender usually has leverage being the deeper guy, in this situation diggs would be in the defender's position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: i was going to use a soccer analogy- on long goal kicks the defender usually has leverage being the deeper guy, in this situation diggs would be in the defender's position But the central defender (and I have played that position plenty ) normally has the momentum advantage and is timing it up to attack the ball and the forward is the one with the standing start. Diggs wasn't quite a standing start but he did not have the momentum advantage. Almost always in aerial duels in soccer it is momentum and timing that wins the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: But the central defender (and I have played that position plenty ) normally has the momentum advantage and is timing it up to attack the ball and the forward is the one with the standing start. Diggs wasn't quite a standing start but he did not have the momentum advantage. Almost always in aerial duels in soccer it is momentum and timing that wins the day. Diggs had less momentum going away from the ball than the DB the defender winning a header is usually similarly advantaged unless you are going up against a freak like Lukaku or Haaland or Drogba the defender is always in a better spot because he has less momentum going away from the ball at the catch moving away from the direction of the pass is the disadvantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: That may be sometimes true, it certainly isn't always true. People like to parrot stuff until it becomes fact. These receivers have a hard time creating separation. Especially in the shorter/quick range. They aren't going to get many YAC balls when that is the case. The best the Bills have ever been in YAC since Josh took over as QB is 14th. So it makes more sense to you that they consistently sign wideouts who can't separate for the last 6 years than it is to say Josh's throwing style doesn't lead to YAC yardage? They've had how many different tight ends and wideouts since 2018? I can count 10 without trying, and all of those guys can't separate? Yes, I am repeating my opinion on this redundantly, because it comes up multiple times a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) @HoofHearted I knew I had an old thread on it and I found it you are the last comment page 1 And tho I don't think the NFL is playing it off as new or innovative because it's not new I certainly don't think it's as easy to execute at a high level ... some teams just don't have the right guys... Tre and Dane and Micah and Poyer and benford are very heady players... cerebral... they fit it perfectly You need a defensive back field that is playing in cohesion, and has great field awareness, play recognition... saban has run it with success at Alabama because he recruits super heady cornerbacks.. the best/smartest HS corners and safeties in the country... perfect scheme fit St John bosco's can run it because they have five division one defensive backs ... I could run it at canisius because they have the best players in buffalo ... But I don't think it would work at JFK because they don't have the right guys or football ability Some NFL teams have super athletic corners who aren't thinkers ... just turn hips and run ... That team might not find as much success in palms as a team that value cerebral corners Edited October 10, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I don't know if Diggs does tbh because he's not a big contested catch guy But AJ Brown, Hill, Adams etc are coming down w that ball a decent amount of the time and if not they're certainly not letting it go for an INT edit for photo It was good that it went for an INT instead of an INC. It was the Bills’ best punt all day: 51 yards and no return. It was 3rd and 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, dave mcbride said: It was good that it went for an INT instead of an INC. It was the Bills’ best punt all day: 51 yards and no return. It was 3rd and 15. would have been better it it was a catch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: would have been better it it was a catch The defender made a great play. The other side makes good plays too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Josh had a PFF grade of 91.5 and a QBR of 86.7 vs. the Jags. He was not the problem Sunday. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: The defender made a great play. The other side makes good plays too. of course you'd just like to think in a competition between Stefon Diggs and Darious Williams you could predict the winner w some regularity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: of course you'd just like to think in a competition between Stefon Diggs and Darious Williams you could predict the winner w some regularity I can’t get too down on Diggs, who is so far having the best season of his career. He is on pace for 132 receptions, 1768 yards, and 17 TDs. I expect it to tail off due to weather, but he has been playing like a first-team all pro this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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