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Mark Vader Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Thank you to the founding fathers of this country. I'll say it again, they were by no means, perfect men. Yet that does not take away the vision they had for the country they wanted to live in. God Bless the United States of America. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 We are blessed to live in this great country. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 a 4th of July primer. I thought this was super cute and well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 this is super cool.Did you all know this was a thing? I did Not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 I’ll take any reason to day drink and have a cookout. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Thank you to the founding fathers of this country. I'll say it again, they were by no means, perfect men. Yet that does not take away the vision they had for the country they wanted to live in. During the Revolution times we had roughly one million here, and we came up with Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe. Now we have 335+ million and we've got.............. Our most skilled people are in industry, and we have plenty. Certainly not politics. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 4th of July holidays cause a glut of dogs that escape and freak out over the noise pollution to end up in shelters . It is a proven fact. And they already euthanize so many dogs due to irresponsible people as it is. I don't like that about the 4th of July But celebrate the day Yes! And yes honor our forefathers. chillax and inbibe Si' that too in the best of health to you all. God Bless America. ! ♥️💙♥️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Happy 4th of July Y'all! 🍻 🗽🍔🌭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 2 hours ago, sherpa said: During the Revolution times we had roughly one million here, and we came up with Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe. Now we have 335+ million and we've got.............. Our most skilled people are in industry, and we have plenty. Certainly not politics. Because industry makes people billionaires and millionaires. Being a civil servant doesn't pay that well. A public servant is paid more egalitarian. This lowly lock operator makes more than 1/2 a US Senator makes! 😆 Anyway, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, & Monroe were land owning elites which at the time were the only one's allowed to vote. Jefferson left in debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Who wants the hassle: https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/debt/ "...Despite some years of ample salaries in public office, Jefferson's load of debt only continued to grow. He and his family generally attributed his financial failure to forty years of public service and the consequent neglect of his own affairs. Virginia slave estates, all agreed, required skill and an attention that "never sleeps." "[S]kill I had not, and attention I could not have," explained Jefferson. Among other contributing factors were his famous hospitality – with no "judicious wife to look after his domestic concerns," as granddaughter Ellen Coolidge wrote – and his passion for building. ..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 2 hours ago, muppy said: 4th of July holidays cause a glut of dogs that escape and freak out over the noise pollution to end up in shelters . It is a proven fact. And they already euthanize so many dogs due to irresponsible people as it is. I don't like that about the 4th of July But celebrate the day Yes! And yes honor our forefathers. chillax and inbibe Si' that too in the best of health to you all. God Bless America. ! ♥️💙♥️ It's ok for a day. 3 days drives my dogs psychotic. one needed benadryl every day. Otherwise, I agree with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 2 hours ago, muppy said: 4th of July holidays cause a glut of dogs that escape and freak out over the noise pollution to end up in shelters . It is a proven fact. And they already euthanize so many dogs due to irresponsible people as it is. I don't like that about the 4th of July But celebrate the day Yes! And yes honor our forefathers. chillax and inbibe Si' that too in the best of health to you all. God Bless America. ! ♥️💙♥️ Agree about the noise. Our dog and a dog we are watching while family is out of country both start barking and are hard to get under control when fireworks are set off and we are no where near any big firework celebrations but just kids attempting to emulate Jason Pierre-Paul and C.J. Wilson. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nfl-jason-pierre-paul-c-j-wilson-lose-fingers-in-july-4-fireworks-accidents/ Many people are injured from fireworks but in some states they are easier to get than cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Because industry makes people billionaires and millionaires. Being a civil servant doesn't pay that well. A public servant is paid more egalitarian. This lowly lock operator makes more than 1/2 a US Senator makes! 😆 Anyway, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, & Monroe were land owning elites which at the time were the only one's allowed to vote. Jefferson left in debt. Politics makes people quite wealthy as well, though they may not start out that way. There are scores of extremely talented people in the private sector who are not billionaires. Jefferson died in debt because of a bad loans to friends and family, the panic of 1819, spending so much time away from Monticello in public service, which was not his choice. His estate became a huge financial burden, and living a bit beyond his means at the wrong time. An absolutely brilliant jurist, scientist, inventor, astronomer, political scientist and farmer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Gugny said: I’ll take any reason to day drink and have a cookout. Who needs a reason @Gugny ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 46 minutes ago, sherpa said: Politics makes people quite wealthy as well, though they may not start out that way. There are scores of extremely talented people in the private sector who are not billionaires. Jefferson died in debt because of a bad loans to friends and family, the panic of 1819, spending so much time away from Monticello in public service, which was not his choice. His estate became a huge financial burden, and living a bit beyond his means at the wrong time. An absolutely brilliant jurist, scientist, inventor, astronomer, political scientist and farmer. And slave owner... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: And slave owner... Who acknowledged its evil, wrote that into the Declaration's original draft, (that part was redacted to appease some Southern states so the Declaration would be unanimous-not his choice), and in later years predicted accurately that it would eventually tear the country apart, some fifty years before the Civil War, and when asked to champion its abolition, said that while he agreed with the goal, he was too old to do much good. From John F. Kennedy addressing a dinner including the Nobel winners of the Western Hemisphere: "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. Someone once said that Thomas Jefferson was a gentleman of 32 who could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, and dance the minuet." Edited July 4, 2023 by sherpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: Who acknowledged its evil, wrote that into the Declaration's original draft, (that part was redacted to appease some Southern states so the Declaration would be unanimous-not his choice), and in later years predicted accurately that it would eventually tear the country apart, some fifty years before the Civil War, and when asked to champion its abolition, said that while he agreed with the goal, he was too old to do much good. From John F. Kennedy addressing a dinner including the Nobel winners of the Western Hemisphere: "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. Someone once said that Thomas Jefferson was a gentleman of 32 who could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, and dance the minuet." a renaissance man excepting the slavery part....too old to champion? Could you imagine how much greater his legacy would be if he had? Edited July 4, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, sherpa said: Who acknowledged its evil, wrote that into the Declaration's original draft, (that part was redacted to appease some Southern states so the Declaration would be unanimous-not his choice), and in later years predicted accurately that it would eventually tear the country apart, some fifty years before the Civil War, and when asked to champion its abolition, said that while he agreed with the goal, he was too old to do much good. From John F. Kennedy addressing a dinner including the Nobel winners of the Western Hemisphere: "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. Someone once said that Thomas Jefferson was a gentleman of 32 who could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, and dance the minuet." Jefferson also thought about the Islam conundrum with the American experience. A dreamer that couldn't handle his finances. Sounds like a certain group today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Could this be the last celebration of July 4th. things are changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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