Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, K-9 said: I’m not categorizing success as a fan. I’m categorizing it as someone who has been part of numerous collaborative efforts in pursuit of an ultimate goal and realizing how many successful outcomes need to be achieved in order to get there. Yeah, that’s tiered progress. There is no (or at least very little) correlation between a business or personal collaborative effort with tiered progress, and the NFL. The NFL does not require tiered progress. Teams can go from missing the playoffs one season to winning the Super Bowl the next. Teams can go from losing nearly half of their regular season games, to winning the Super Bowl, in the same season. In the NFL, tiered progress is not required… Unless you are actively seeking something positive to be happy about, to make one feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 dont see the need for these extensions right now. Just like i didnt see the need for Dawson Knox's or Ed Oliver's at the time either. There can be benefits to waiting to make these extensions, many discussed in this thread previously. But so much for Sean being on the "hot seat" calling defensive plays this year tho. Looks like we've given him some longer leash to play with. Superbowl or bust but with no option to pivot, really is bust i guess. It doesnt seem we're on an upward ascent, seems we've regressed but with reasons right? lol. If the team takes a step back this year, God's help us. Superbowl or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, without a drought said: Reid won his 1st Super Bowl in his 21 season as a head coach, so I guess patience is needed here. It’s not. Reid showed early on that he can make Super Bowls and Championship games. And it took him getting fired and multiple QB’s later to win a Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Didn’t happen till he had an elite QB… McD has had one the last three years… and Reid was fired in Philly. I think people tend to view Donovan McNabb very differently in hindsight...........he was a lot better in comparison to his peers than people remember. He regularly finished around 8th in the NFL in passer rating despite one of the worst WR groups in the league year after year. His leading receiver in 2003 was Todd Pinkston with 575 yards. Yikes. Josh Allen finished 8th in passer rating with Stef Diggs at his disposal last season......for comparison sake. In 2004 they finally gave McNabb a WR1 in Terrell Owens.........and he finished 4th in passer rating and the Eagles advanced to a SB. TO didn't even play half of the next season and then it was back to WR purgatory for McNabb and the Andy Reid Eagles. And when Reid went to the Chiefs they famously went an entire season without throwing a TD pass to a WR. Reid got too much of a pass for not having SB caliber QB's............and not enough scrutiny for demanding that they put talent around his QB's. The latter part of his career they have valued offensive skill talent much more and that has yielded greater results. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: I got a bad feeling about Mahomes. If healthy, I could see him get at least another 3 SB wins if not more. If only we had a chance at Mahomes. Oh wait ...... Fans ignore that. We traded the picks that are the best QB in the NFL and the best WR in the NFL. But that’s okay, because, excuses… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 56 minutes ago, Gugny said: I can’t believe people are still using “McBeane” after all these years. why? You arguing semantics in regards to this dual signing extension? In this thread the moniker totally fits. Are they not joined at the proverbial hip? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, muppy said: why? You arguing semantics in regards to this dual signing extension? In this thread the moniker totally fits. Are they not joined at the proverbial hip? I’m not arguing with anyone about anything. I just think, and always have thought, it’s a dumb moniker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah, that’s tiered progress. There is no (or at least very little) correlation between a business or personal collaborative effort with tiered progress, and the NFL. The NFL does not require tiered progress. Teams can go from missing the playoffs one season to winning the Super Bowl the next. Teams can go from losing nearly half of their regular season games, to winning the Super Bowl, in the same season. In the NFL, tiered progress is not required… Unless you are actively seeking something positive to be happy about, to make one feel better. I’m growing bored with what is essentially a semantic argument with an egomaniac who feels only he can define things for everyone else. Is failure the opposite of success or not? Are the Bills a successful team or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, Radar said: Question: Would you rather have the Bills get to playoffs 5 straight years and win 1 Super Bowl or get to playoffs 10 straight years and win 0 Super Bowls? Answer: Ten straight. Wow. This speaks volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Actually the problem is you’re working with 2 beers shy of a sixer and there’s no use arguing with someone either this stupid or this deranged. That's your response to that? Are you just lost watching the game and dont understand it? Or just a troll? I see youre always asking to be enlightened, or to be told how, followed by insults. You spend how many hours on football and are completely lost? Its just not your forte. You can do other things. Gardening or take the dog for a walk. something Edited June 24, 2023 by 1onemangang7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: I’m not arguing with anyone about anything. I just think, and always have thought, it’s a dumb moniker. gotcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I think people tend to view Donovan McNabb very differently in hindsight...........he was a lot better in comparison to his peers than people remember. He regularly finished around 8th in the NFL in passer rating despite one of the worst WR groups in the league year after year. His leading receiver in 2003 was Todd Pinkston with 575 yards. Yikes. Josh Allen finished 8th in passer rating with Stef Diggs at his disposal last season......for comparison sake. In 2004 they finally gave McNabb a WR1 in Terrell Owens.........and he finished 4th in passer rating and the Eagles advanced to a SB. TO didn't even play half of the next season and then it was back to WR purgatory for McNabb and the Andy Reid Eagles. And when Reid went to the Chiefs they famously went an entire season without throwing a TD pass to a WR. Reid got too much of a pass for not having SB caliber QB's............and not enough scrutiny for demanding that they put talent around his QB's. The latter part of his career they have valued offensive skill talent much more and that has yielded greater results. McNabb was good but I think you’re overrating him a bit. He averaged 18 TD’s per season. That’s pretty low. It took him 8 seasons to have as many passing TD’s as Allen has in 5 (not even including rushing TD’s). That Super Bowl year you mentioned seemed to break him. He only had 2 seasons with more than 20 TD’s the remainder of his 7 year career. . Edited June 24, 2023 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: OOOH so sinister so inside baseball. Tell us all your secrets please you zero. You’re nobody. the run line is the squarest bet in baseball, but that is no secret to many.......just like Kelly, Thurman Thomas has told you and most pundits coast to coast outside of Buffalo. They all believe Josh Allen has to do too much and would benefit from a run game. So far, the best that these extended guys have offered is Singletary, and Cook...two guys that cant start anywhere else in the NFL......with pressure, the gm went and got an aging back and a cheap back, but the hopes are pinned on Cook, which does zero for Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, K-9 said: Are the Bills a successful team or not? The Bills have not been successful at completing the one and only goal of every NFL team. They have not even been successful at gaining entry to the event (Super Bowl) that gives them the opportunity to grasp the one and only goal. Nothing to do with egotism. It’s just fact. “Our goal is to win the Super Bowl” - Josh Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: The Bills have not been successful at completing the one and only goal of every NFL team. They have not even been successful at gaining entry to the event (Super Bowl) that gives them the opportunity to grasp the one and only goal. Nothing to do with egotism. It’s just fact. “Our goal is to win the Super Bowl” - Josh Allen Equivocate much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, PBF81 said: Or of curiosity, where would you put the odds of those happening? A. Not winning the division B. Missing the playoffs C. Losing in the WC Round D. Losing in the Divisional Round E. Winning the AFC F. Winning the Super Bowl Probably that order, greatest to worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, K-9 said: Equivocate much? I could not have been more clear. A team has a successful season if they win the Super Bowl. If they don’t, it wasn’t successful. Doesn’t mean the team sucks, but they did not meet their goal. Notice that Allen didn’t mention the “micro goals” you love? Because he (rightfully so) doesn’t give a crap about those. “The goal is to win the super bowl” - Josh Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 43 minutes ago, Stanley Lombardi said: Only through 2027? The smart move would be to sign them for life. I’ll try better next time I promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Mahomes is Mahomes because of Reid. Do you see the play calling? It’s incredible. I would watch last yr and witnessed Allen playing hero ball nearly every snap. I want an offensive minded coach, McDermott ain’t him. I’ll wait for full justification until after this season. If this year is similar I want him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: I could not have been more clear. A team has a successful season if they win the Super Bowl. If they don’t, it wasn’t successful. Doesn’t mean the team sucks, but they did not meet their goal. Notice that Allen didn’t mention the “micro goals” you love? Because he (rightfully so) doesn’t give a crap about those. “The goal is to win the super bowl” - Josh Allen Is Allen a failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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