Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: McDermott has ZERO control over Beane. If he didn’t trust him at all it wouldn’t matter. They each report to Pegula with Beane in charge of the 53. If you like McDermott, the coach, fine. If you like McDermott, the GM, you’re mistaken. In terms of Pegula he’s always said he looks at how Kraft built the Patriots. We all know Belichick ran the show there and basically hired his front office people. 2 of the Bills top front office guys Beane and Brian Gaine were names McDermott gave the Pegulas. It’s my opinion that everything the Bills do runs through McDermott but the quote I gave you was from Vic Carucci who was very tied in at the time. Not saying I like or dislike anyone. Like when 13 seconds happened and everyone was blaming Frazier. I blamed McDermott because there was no way he’d allow a situation that important happen without his input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 We had our replacement in Daboll, always keep the offensive minded coach over the defensive minded one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: In terms of Pegula he’s always said he looks at how Kraft built the Patriots. We all know Belichick ran the show there and basically hired his front office people. 2 of the Bills top front office guys Beane and Brian Gaine were names McDermott gave the Pegulas. It’s my opinion that everything the Bills do runs through McDermott but the quote I gave you was from Vic Carucci who was very tied in at the time. Not saying I like or dislike anyone. Like when 13 seconds happened and everyone was blaming Frazier. I blamed McDermott because there was no way he’d allow a situation that important happen without his input. I’m not trying to be that guy, but that’s not how it works with the Bills. I know a little bit about how things operate there. Beane controls the 53. McDermott is in charge of coaching. I believe a lot of people are capable of the results that McDermott has produced with this roster. It’s Doug Collins. It’s Dwayne Casey. Do we need a new voice to take the next step? That’s my belief. I don’t believe that he is elevating, or holding back, the talent. He’s a caretaker. The Bills do not win BECAUSE of McDermott. That’s what the great coaches do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: The season hasn't started. LOL But allow me to ask you, do you know with absolutely certainty that this season is going to go well? Do you see any potentially looming issues? What type of issues? If they have a losing season there is a real possibility it all blows up and there’s a rebuild around Josh. We could see 6-7 new starters on defense and offense in 2024. In fact it does set up for major changes after next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: In terms of Pegula he’s always said he looks at how Kraft built the Patriots. We all know Belichick ran the show there and basically hired his front office people. 2 of the Bills top front office guys Beane and Brian Gaine were names McDermott gave the Pegulas. It’s my opinion that everything the Bills do runs through McDermott but the quote I gave you was from Vic Carucci who was very tied in at the time. Not saying I like or dislike anyone. Like when 13 seconds happened and everyone was blaming Frazier. I blamed McDermott because there was no way he’d allow a situation that important happen without his input. If the season goes south for any reason, I wonder if Terry fires McDermott but retains Beane or he cleans house and gets rid of both of them. In the latter scenario Terry would probably need a consultant to come in and help him hire the new GM/HC. Or Beane will lead the search for the next HC assuming they do move on from McDermott. I can't see Terry leading the search for the next management team. Despite being the owner, he is a football fan not a "football man". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Doc said: You can’t say he’s hit a plateau/ceiling until you see how the season plays out with him taking over play-calling duties. I realize it’s the slow season right now and we need something to talk about. Well, I can, I did, based upon other indicators. But at this point what's the sense in arguing over it? The season's going to play out one way or another, right? No one's going anywhere before the season. Is anything that you or I say going to alter it? But allow me to ask, and hopefully you'll answer the question. Suppose that it plays out that we go through the season again, make the playoffs whatever the circumstances, and lose either in the Wild-Card or Divisional Round by not playing our best and/or by losing to an inferior team. Will your stance then be the same? As to his play-calling on Defense, here's what I'm expecting, about what he did in Carolina, which was an average of I believe it was 17th ranked Scoring D and 13th ranked Yardage D on average, essentially perfectly average, and that with players like Kuechly, one of the league's best then, Davis, Johnson, Addison in his prime, Lotulelei when he gave a crap. That while also keeping an eye on the offense. Should be interesting, perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised, I hope so, but for purposes of forming my opinions I'm big on expecting what patterns and trends have revealed. That's the only one we have to go by since everyone here says that to date it's all been Frasier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I'm talking more about the Micah Hydes The talent is there I agree, there's talent. There's enough talent to win a SB with a bit of luck. Just not enough talent to guarantee a SB, even with good coaching. Each season, there are teams that are more talented than us - and more likely to win a Lombardi. Both the teams in the SB had better rosters than the Bills, particularly if you look at the shape of the Bills when we entered the playoffs. We were missing key guys. Other key guys, notably our QB, were playing hurt. Bad coaching didn't cost us a trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: What type of issues? If they have a losing season there is a real possibility it all blows up and there’s a rebuild around Josh. We could see 6-7 new starters on defense and offense in 2024. In fact it does set up for major changes after next season. Losing season? LOL ... come on now. They could put Allen on any one of the teams during the drought era and we wouldn't have a losing season. Is that your expectation, minimally, a winning season? As to looming issues, if you don't see any then that would explain any differences in our views. To start, I'd be willing to make a friendly wager that the whole Diggs issue revives itself and in no small way at some point during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Losing season? LOL ... come on now. They could put Allen on any one of the teams during the drought era and we wouldn't have a losing season. Is that your expectation, minimally, a winning season? As to looming issues, if you don't see any then that would explain any differences in our views. To start, I'd be willing to make a friendly wager that the whole Diggs issue revives itself and in no small way at some point during the season. All I care about are wins and losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 12 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, I can, I did, based upon other indicators. But at this point what's the sense in arguing over it? The season's going to play out one way or another, right? No one's going anywhere before the season. Is anything that you or I say going to alter it? But allow me to ask, and hopefully you'll answer the question. Suppose that it plays out that we go through the season again, make the playoffs whatever the circumstances, and lose either in the Wild-Card or Divisional Round by not playing our best and/or by losing to an inferior team. Will your stance then be the same? As to his play-calling on Defense, here's what I'm expecting, about what he did in Carolina, which was an average of I believe it was 17th ranked Scoring D and 13th ranked Yardage D on average, essentially perfectly average, and that with players like Kuechly, one of the league's best then, Davis, Johnson, Addison in his prime, Lotulelei when he gave a crap. That while also keeping an eye on the offense. Should be interesting, perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised, I hope so, but for purposes of forming my opinions I'm big on expecting what patterns and trends have revealed. That's the only one we have to go by since everyone here says that to date it's all been Frasier. Sorry, should have added "reasonably." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 12 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I agree, there's talent. There's enough talent to win a SB with a bit of luck. Just not enough talent to guarantee a SB, even with good coaching. Each season, there are teams that are more talented than us - and more likely to win a Lombardi. Both the teams in the SB had better rosters than the Bills, particularly if you look at the shape of the Bills when we entered the playoffs. We were missing key guys. Other key guys, notably our QB, were playing hurt. Bad coaching didn't cost us a trophy. I don't believe that the Bengals were more talented than us when we played 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: All I care about are wins and losses. You don't care about a championship? You'd rather go 14-3 and lose in the WC or D round than to go 9-8 and win it all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not trying to be that guy, but that’s not how it works with the Bills. I know a little bit about how things operate there. Beane controls the 53. McDermott is in charge of coaching. I believe a lot of people are capable of the results that McDermott has produced with this roster. It’s Doug Collins. It’s Dwayne Casey. Do we need a new voice to take the next step? That’s my belief. I don’t believe that he is elevating, or holding back, the talent. He’s a caretaker. The Bills do not win BECAUSE of McDermott. That’s what the great coaches do. My question is if it comes down to choosing between a defensive or offensive asset, who wins the decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Sorry, should have added "reasonably." Well, I thought that I was being pretty reasonable. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Interesting. Ben Roethlisberger made 3 Super Bowls and won 2. All 3 Super Bowls he avoided playing Tom Brady and the Patriots in the playoffs. Blown out the 2 times he faced NE. It’s interesting how legacy are made. How many people here would discredit McDermott if he makes a Super Bowl without beating Mahomes or Burrow. I know there’s some here that would. Sometimes you have to be lucky. 4 minutes ago, PBF81 said: You don't care about a championship? You'd rather go 14-3 and lose in the WC or D round than to go 9-8 and win it all? Huh? Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Interesting. Ben Roethlisberger made 3 Super Bowls and won 2. All 3 Super Bowls he avoided playing Tom Brady and the Patriots in the playoffs. Blown out the 2 times he faced NE. It’s interesting how legacy are made. How many people here would discredit McDermott if he makes a Super Bowl without beating Mahomes or Burrow. I know there’s some here that would. Sometimes you have to be lucky. Huh? Lol. Nobody is going to discredit anybody if they win a Super Bowl, come on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Nobody is going to discredit anybody if they win a Super Bowl, come on Correct. McD to me == Dungy, and Dungy won one, and later parlayed that into a sweet network television gig. Admittedly, I'm in the down on McD camp (after all of these years), but what it comes down to for me each season is: would I rather watch a McD season than a drought season. And there's my answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, TheCockSportif said: Correct. McD to me == Dungy, and Dungy won one, and later parlayed that into a sweet network television gig. Admittedly, I'm in the down on McD camp (after all of these years), but what it comes down to for me each season is: would I rather watch a McD season than a drought season. And there's my answer. Yes I agree obviously But concurrently I would sit through 10 more drought seasons back to back for 1 Super Bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Just now, GoBills808 said: But concurrently I would sit through 10 more drought seasons back to back for 1 Super Bowl Really?! I applaud you for this, and I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, TheCockSportif said: Really?! I applaud you for this, and I'm not being sarcastic in the slightest. Oh dead serious We'll still have Allen so it will be fun to watch. Give me the championship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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