Gregg Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, jletha said: As long as Mahomes is still standing upright they wont lost the division. Jones would be a huge loss for their defense. The Chargers already play the Chiefs tough, and it would become harder stopping Herbert and company if Jones isn't out there. KC should be the favorite but the Chargers winning the division wouldn't surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Chris Jones does not win them Super Bowls, Pat, Andy and Travis do. Jones helps, but will not derail their season if he sits out for 8 weeks. At this point hard to argue otherwise, but one of the big reasons the Chiefs have won 2 SB's is that defense always magically transforms from an average type unit in the regular season to elite in the playoffs and Jones is a big reason why. So not having him in the lineup half the season + then needing ramp up time when he does come back certainly opens the door for the Chiefs for stumble a bit and drop a few games they might normally not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Chris Jones does not win them Super Bowls, Pat, Andy and Travis do. Jones helps, but will not derail their season if he sits out for 8 weeks. Well that's nonsense. They wouldn't have won either of their Super Bowls without Chris Jones. They wouldn't have even made it to this past Super Bowl without him wreaking havoc against the Bengals. Him sitting out until week 8 won't completely derail their season but they need that difference maker on their defense to make it all the way. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If I were the Chiefs I probably would’ve traded him for multiple picks a while ago. He’s a great player but they could get 1st plus more picks and cap space for Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Well that's nonsense. They wouldn't have won either of their Super Bowls without Chris Jones. They wouldn't have even made it to this past Super Bowl without him wreaking havoc against the Bengals. Him sitting out until week 8 won't completely derail their season but they need that difference maker on their defense to make it all the way. Completely agree. It's why we went out and signed Von. We were desperately searching for that elite level difference maker on Defense. Chris Jones has been that for KC.. and they 100% lose to the Bengals in the AFC CG without him. As good as Mahomes/Kelce are, they can't do it alone, and watching that game made it abundantly clear that Chris Jones was the difference between winning and losing. I'd even argue that an elite DT is worth more than an elite EDGE. Guys like Chris Jones and Aaron Donald completely destroy and/or occupy the middle of an OL, thus allowing everyone else to play off of them. Edited August 23, 2023 by SCBills 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Lions/Chiefs to open the season could be a true shootout. Both very well coached and highly talented offenses. Neither defense will have a true difference maker on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: At this point hard to argue otherwise, but one of the big reasons the Chiefs have won 2 SB's is that defense always magically transforms from an average type unit in the regular season to elite in the playoffs and Jones is a big reason why. So not having him in the lineup half the season + then needing ramp up time when he does come back certainly opens the door for the Chiefs for stumble a bit and drop a few games they might normally not. they are often not elite in the playoffs but manage to make 1-3 huge plays that win the game due to Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Chris Jones does not win them Super Bowls, Pat, Andy and Travis do. Jones helps, but will not derail their season if he sits out for 8 weeks. That defense far outperforms the minimal investment the chiefs have made on that side of the ball which is a big factor in why they are who they are and Chris jones is the main reason behind it. He would be a massive loss for half a season. Chargers play them very tough every game even with chris jones in the lineup. I think the bengals and bills (assuming a healthy von) pull ahead of the chiefs pretty comfortably and the chargers could certainly beat them if you subtract chris jones. He knows it too that’s why he’s holding out lol Edited August 23, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: If I were the Chiefs I probably would’ve traded him for multiple picks a while ago. He’s a great player but they could get 1st plus more picks and cap space for Jones. They’d have one less Super Bowl ring if they traded him prior to last season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: they are often not elite in the playoffs but manage to make 1-3 huge plays that win the game due to Jones. They certainly carried the load both times Mahomes left a playoff game early (ironically in both SB winning season 19 & 22), but yes the common denominator was Jones wreaking havoc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: That defense far outperforms the minimal investment the chiefs have made on that side of the ball which is a big factor in why they are who they are and Chris jones is the main reason behind it. He would be a massive loss for half a season. Chargers play them very tough every game with chris jones in the lineup. I agree, for the most part, but wouldn't say they've made minimal investment.. They just don't seem to pay guys on that side of the ball. That Defense has investment with Day 1/Day 2 picks in guys like Karlaftis, Anudike-Uzomah, Bolton, Chenal, McDuffie etc., but it all plays off Chris Jones in the middle of that DL. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, NewEra said: They’d have one less Super Bowl ring if they traded him prior to last season Impossible to know plus that was last year and he played. At some point you have to rebuild Super Bowl rosters. NE traded Richard Seymour. It hurt definitely but they recovered. Trading Jones is the next step for KC. They will recover. Edited August 23, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Impossible to know plus that was last year and he played. At some point you have to rebuild Super Bowl rosters. NE traded Richard Seymour. It hurt definitely but they recovered. Trading Jones is the next step for KC. They will recover. Chiefs have 3 players that the entire team plays off of.. Mahomes Kelce Jones This isn't like them trading away Tyreek Hill. And I think they will get a deal done with Chris Jones, but I think that because - unless it becomes toxic - Chiefs Front Office also understands trading Jones is not the same as trading Hill. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, SCBills said: I agree, for the most part, but wouldn't say they've made minimal investment.. They just don't seem to pay guys on that side of the ball. That Defense has investment with Day 1/Day 2 picks in guys like Karlaftis, Anudike-Uzomah, Bolton, Chenal, McDuffie etc., but it all plays off Chris Jones in the middle of that DL. That’s a fair rephrase…they have drafted more defensive players recently that could become guys to build around…should be an interesting year with Orlando brown/Wylie gone that defense may need to step up a little more often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, SCBills said: Chiefs have 3 players that the entire team plays off of.. Mahomes Kelce Jones This isn't like them trading away Tyreek Hill. And I think they will get a deal done with Chris Jones, but I think that because - unless it becomes toxic - Chiefs Front Office also understands trading Jones is not the same as trading Hill. He’s a great player. But as I said I would’ve traded him for multiple picks a while ago. Definitely before the draft. A lot of people thought Hill opened up everything for KC’s offense. Jones is a great player but paying him almost $30 million is a bad idea. At least in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He’s a great player. But as I said I would’ve traded him for multiple picks a while ago. Definitely before the draft. A lot of people thought Hill opened up everything for KC’s offense. Jones is a great player but paying him almost $30 million is a bad idea. At least in my opinion. Maybe, but they also aren't the Buffalo Bills.. They don't feel the need to pay a bunch of guys on Defense. He's THE guy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 No communication. Interesting. I have no clue why the Chiefs are playing chicken with the most important player on their defense but I'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Gregg said: Jones would be a huge loss for their defense. The Chargers already play the Chiefs tough, and it would become harder stopping Herbert and company if Jones isn't out there. KC should be the favorite but the Chargers winning the division wouldn't surprise me. I’ll believe they will lose the division when I see it happen. They traded away a HoF WR last year and won the Super Bowl. It should not be understated how impressive that is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: No communication. Interesting. I have no clue why the Chiefs are playing chicken with the most important player on their defense but I'll take it. We all focus on our cap issues, and the Chiefs are situated better than pretty much anyone else (Bills, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins) but they do have the (good) ramifications of drafting well coming up on the horizon... A lot of good players like Humphrey and Smith on their OL will be needing new deals soon.. and likely won't be cheap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Well that's nonsense. They wouldn't have won either of their Super Bowls without Chris Jones. They wouldn't have even made it to this past Super Bowl without him wreaking havoc against the Bengals. Him sitting out until week 8 won't completely derail their season but they need that difference maker on their defense to make it all the way. Jones missing 8 games could cost the Chiefs the #1 seed and when has Mahomes won a NFL playoff game on the road? Oh wait he hasn't. Edited August 23, 2023 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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