New stadium cost goes up from $1.4 billion to $1.54 billion.

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I just love these whining folks who are always clutching their pearls because the Bills are getting help building a new stadium and OHMAGERD taxpayers are footing part of the bill. SO WHAT?!?! The Bills ARE WNY, period. It's a great investment for the region and thankfully all of those in the negotiations are pro public stadium financing.

 

Local taxpayers weren't allowed to decide whether "The Bills ARE WNY".....period.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

51 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Local taxpayers weren't allowed to decide whether "The Bills ARE WNY".....period.

 

Yet they are... and they DID because a majority of them voted for those involved in the stadium deal.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I just love these whining folks who are always clutching their pearls because the Bills are getting help building a new stadium and OHMAGERD taxpayers are footing part of the bill. SO WHAT?!?! The Bills ARE WNY, period. It's a great investment for the region and thankfully all of those in the negotiations are pro public stadium financing.

Fyi I’m not whining the Bills are reviewing money from the state/taxpayers. I’m not whining that the Bills are charging PSLs. I’m not whining that they are going to increases ticket prices dramatically. 
 

im simply arguing that even though they are receiving a ton of money from taxpayers, and charge for PSLs, and request likely double or triple ticket prices. They will not be providing anything more than they currently do now. That’s debatable and we will not know until the stadium is built. I’m arguing that it’s a bad deal because for the money that this thing is costing, I would have expected a roof. Because in the bad weather months which is up to and over half of the season in Buffalo, the team has a hard time selling out games now at the prices they currently charge. And that’s before they double ticket prices, and that’s before they charge for PSLs, and that’s before they raise the prices of concessions, and parking, and merchandise at the stadium. We will see how much of the fan base is covered up guess when this thing is done. We will see how bad they assumed what the fan base would pay. Eventually Allen won’t be our QB. And eventually we will not be one of the hottest teams in the league. And at that time, you will likely see lots of empty seats in the stadium. 
 

just my opinion. 

[Warriorspikes51]

54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Local taxpayers weren't allowed to decide whether "The Bills ARE WNY".....period.

Oh? Do you want the team moved 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, mrags said:

Fyi I’m not whining the Bills are reviewing money from the state/taxpayers. I’m not whining that the Bills are charging PSLs. I’m not whining that they are going to increases ticket prices dramatically. 
 

im simply arguing that even though they are receiving a ton of money from taxpayers, and charge for PSLs, and request likely double or triple ticket prices. They will not be providing anything more than they currently do now. That’s debatable and we will not know until the stadium is built. I’m arguing that it’s a bad deal because for the money that this thing is costing, I would have expected a roof. Because in the bad weather months which is up to and over half of the season in Buffalo, the team has a hard time selling out games now at the prices they currently charge. And that’s before they double ticket prices, and that’s before they charge for PSLs, and that’s before they raise the prices of concessions, and parking, and merchandise at the stadium. We will see how much of the fan base is covered up guess when this thing is done. We will see how bad they assumed what the fan base would pay. Eventually Allen won’t be our QB. And eventually we will not be one of the hottest teams in the league. And at that time, you will likely see lots of empty seats in the stadium. 
 

just my opinion. 

 

That wasn't directed at you, it was directed at those who are complaining about public funding and taxes. Thankfully the Bills's new stadium isn't threatened by that vocal minority.

19 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Oh? Do you want the team moved 

 

Exactly... 

[Mr. WEO]

52 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Yet they are... and they DID because a majority of them voted for those involved in the stadium deal.

 

Did the people running for office campaign on publicly funding a stadium?  Or are you trying to say that when you vote for a state office holder, you automatically favor and approve of,  in advance, any way in which they decide to spend your tax dollars. 

 

Also, the only poll produced a year ago (Sienna) showed overwhelming statewide opposition to the funding in every demographic---with those polled upstate far more against it than NYC residents who were polled.

56 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Oh? Do you want the team moved 

 

Moved????  Come on now!  Terry Pegula saved the Bills from moving (it was big news here on TBD). 

 

Now you are saying he would move the Buffalo Bills out of Buffalo???

[EasternOHBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Did the people running for office campaign on publicly funding a stadium?  Or are you trying to say that when you vote for a state office holder, you automatically favor and approve of,  in advance, any way in which they decide to spend your tax dollars. 

 

Also, the only poll produced a year ago (Sienna) showed overwhelming statewide opposition to the funding in every demographic---with those polled upstate far more against it than NYC residents who were polled.

 

"The bill that included the Bills stadium funding passed 95-49 in the Assembly and 39-23 in the Senate."

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/opposition-to-bills-stadium-funding-not-enough-to-sway-budget-voting/article_c11882f4-b808-11ec-849a-a37eb1662c52.html

 

The funding for the new Bills stadium was up for debate throughout the 2022 election season. If it was "overwhelmingly opposed" as you claim, the vote wouldn't have been that disparate, so yeah...

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

"The bill that included the Bills stadium funding passed 95-49 in the Assembly and 39-23 in the Senate."

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/opposition-to-bills-stadium-funding-not-enough-to-sway-budget-voting/article_c11882f4-b808-11ec-849a-a37eb1662c52.html

 

The funding for the new Bills stadium was up for debate throughout the 2022 election season. If it was "overwhelmingly opposed" as you claim, the vote wouldn't have been that disparate, so yeah...

 

So the article you cited, titled "opposition-to-bills-stadium-funding-not-enough-to-sway-budget-voting", is evidence that voters supported Bills stadium voting?

 

Maybe you are confusing he voting public with Assembly and Senate voters?  The former group certainly did not get a chance to "debate" or "vote" on this funding. That's not how it's done in NYS. 

 

Also, the public funding scheme for the stadium was publicly announced in March 2022.  The 2022 election happened 8 months after this announcement. Kind of late for much "public debate" after a decision has been made, don't you think?

 

Anyway, There was no debate in front of voters.

[SoCal Deek]

For those that want to sit under a roof, might I suggest that you purchase tickets that are…what’s the phrase I’m looking for….oh yeah…UNDER THE ROOF! 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

So the article you cited, titled "opposition-to-bills-stadium-funding-not-enough-to-sway-budget-voting", is evidence that voters supported Bills stadium voting?

 

Maybe you are confusing he voting public with Assembly and Senate voters?  The former group certainly did not get a chance to "debate" or "vote" on this funding. That's not how it's done in NYS. 

 

Also, the public funding scheme for the stadium was publicly announced in March 2022.  The 2022 election happened 8 months after this announcement. Kind of late for much "public debate" after a decision has been made, don't you think?

 

Anyway, There was no debate in front of voters.

I’ve mentioned this many times in the past on this topic. The stadium is at its core a large construction project. The money that goes into essentially stays right in WNY and is pumped right back into the local economy via construction worker’s paychecks who then use that money to buy goods, products and services right there in WNY, of which a large percentage goes right back into the State’s coffers in the form of property, sales, and income taxes. I’m sure it doesn’t make you feel any better, but is the absolute truth. There’s virtually no better investment of State money than a construction project. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve mentioned this many times in the past on this topic. The stadium is at its core a large construction project. The money that goes into essentially stays right in WNY and is pumped right back into the local economy via construction worker’s paychecks who then use that money to buy goods, products and services right there in WNY, of which a large percentage goes right back into the State’s coffers in the form of property, sales, and income taxes. I’m sure it doesn’t make you feel any better, but is the absolute truth. There’s virtually no better investment of State money than a construction project. 

 

That has been disproven and documented as false over the past 10 years or so.  There's not much truth to that statement. 

 

Local construction workers are already living and purchasing goods and services in Buffalo, paying state and local taxes, etc.  Outside workers brought in to work on the stadium will be gone and not contributing to the local economy after the place is built.

 

A public owned stadium is a massive disposable purchase.  Hymark will be torn down and the next stadium will be similarly disposed of whenever the current tenant wants a new(er) one.  

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

That has been disproven and documented as false over the past 10 years or so.  There's not much truth to that statement. 

 

Local construction workers are already living and purchasing goods and services in Buffalo, paying state and local taxes, etc.  Outside workers brought in to work on the stadium will be gone and not contributing to the local economy after the place is built.

 

A public owned stadium is a massive disposable purchase.  Hymark will be torn down and the next stadium will be similarly disposed of whenever the current tenant wants a new(er) one.  

Oh brother. So you’re saying that NY State based contractors won’t be working on the stadium. Sure they won’t. The workers are all going to drive in from California every day. It’ll be a long day but it’s good work if you can get it. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh brother. So you’re saying that NY State based contractors won’t be working on the stadium. Sure they won’t. The workers are all going to drive in from California every day. It’ll be a long day but it’s good work if you can get it. 

 

Maybe you missed this part:

 

"Local construction workers are already living and purchasing goods and services in Buffalo, paying state and local taxes, etc."

 

"Outside workers" ( meaning from outside of Erie County) would certainly include NY State based contractors and workers (who already are paying NYS taxes). 

 

Where's the long term net gain for Erie/NYS from people already living/working there?

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Maybe you missed this part:

 

"Local construction workers are already living and purchasing goods and services in Buffalo, paying state and local taxes, etc."

 

"Outside workers" ( meaning from outside of Erie County) would certainly include NY State based contractors and workers (who already are paying NYS taxes). 

 

Where's the long term net gain for Erie/NYS from people already living/working there?

I’m not sure where you went to economics school but it doesn’t work that way. It is NOT a zero sum game! Using your premise, since everyone is already working, the stadium construction site will be empty. Not a single pick up truck to be found….cause everyone already has a job…or something like that. (Please excuse the snarky tone, but I think we ALL know by now that you hate the very idea of the project.) 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not sure where you went to economics school but it doesn’t work that way. It is NOT a zero sum game! Using your premise, since everyone is already working, the stadium construction site will be empty. Not a single pick up truck to be found….cause everyone already has a job…or something like that. (Please excuse the snarky tone, but I think we ALL know by now that you hate the very idea of the project.) 

 

I'm not sure what the hard part is here.  We agree most workers will be local or at least in state.  They will move to this project from others that are completed.  

 

Maybe you mean a large number of these individuals who will be working on the stadium are currently idle and not paying taxes or buying goods and services?

 

You're an architect.  You understand that contractors,  skilled labor and tradesman are in high demand.  Anyone who has wanted to build a house or do a major reno call tell you this:  you have to wait until the contractor/labor is available. 

[SoCal Deek]

59 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm not sure what the hard part is here.  We agree most workers will be local or at least in state.  They will move to this project from others that are completed.  

 

Maybe you mean a large number of these individuals who will be working on the stadium are currently idle and not paying taxes or buying goods and services?

 

You're an architect.  You understand that contractors,  skilled labor and tradesman are in high demand.  Anyone who has wanted to build a house or do a major reno call tell you this:  you have to wait until the contractor/labor is available. 

Yes I am. And I literally guarantee I know more about how the construction market works than you do. But go ahead, keep complaining. I’m sure your opinion has been duly noted by those in charge. 😉

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes I am. And I literally guarantee I know more about how the construction market works than you do. But go ahead, keep complaining. I’m sure your opinion has been duly noted by those in charge. 😉

 

I'm not complaining, just pointing out things and making corrections.

 

So where will all the new tax and services and goods buying come from if not from all the future stadium builders who are currently working on other sites and already paying taxes and buying goods and services?  Will they be moonlighting at the stadium factory until it is finished, thus generating all this new revenue locally and statewide?

[Just Jack]

22 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

not to mention there is no way in hell the league office and the other owners would have went for a billion dollar renovation of a 50 year old stadium. Never ever would have even been considered. Yet some people here talk about it like it would have been such a great option. 
 

And no don’t bring up Chicago. Totally different situation.

 

Would that be the same Chicago team that is moving away from their renovated stadium, just 20 years ago, to some place outside of the city? 

[SoCal Deek]

54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm not complaining, just pointing out things and making corrections.

 

So where will all the new tax and services and goods buying come from if not from all the future stadium builders who are currently working on other sites and already paying taxes and buying goods and services?  Will they be moonlighting at the stadium factory until it is finished, thus generating all this new revenue locally and statewide?

Come on Weo….Let me ask you this? What do your prefer the State does with it’s tax money? Let me guess….social service programs? 

[JoPoy88]

5 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Would that be the same Chicago team that is moving away from their renovated stadium, just 20 years ago, to some place outside of the city? 

Actually yes! Thanks for reminding me - I know the original plan was to build onto Soldier Field yet again but now the plan is to move to a completely different site and new building. 
 

So yeah even that reno was abandoned. And yet it’s being floated here that “oh just rip out the rotting decks. Throw on a roof.” As if the league would have even agreed to that.

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Come on Weo….Let me ask you this? What do your prefer the State does with it’s tax money? Let me guess….social service programs? 

 

I prefer they let me keep a little more for myself.

 

Now answer my question

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I prefer they let me keep a little more for myself.

 

Now answer my question

Well on that we DEFINITELY agree! I’m all for keeping more for myself. But…since they’re taking the taxes anyway I’d rather have a stadium to show for it. 😉

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well on that we DEFINITELY agree! I’m all for keeping more for myself. But…since they’re taking the taxes anyway I’d rather have a stadium to show for it. 😉

 

They aren't taking your taxes...

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They aren't taking your taxes...

Weo…I live in California. Believe me when I say that my taxes have and will continue to be thoroughly and relentlessly ‘taken’. On that I feel your pain. If you follow the news we’ve been supposedly building a $10 BILLION bullet train for well over a decade and to date it has managed to travel absolutely nowhere. I therefore recommend you show them big time by going and sitting in that stadium for as many hours as is humanly possible. 👍

[cba fan]

On 4/17/2023 at 11:12 PM, mrags said:

Ok. But everything you just stated also applies to the Bills and the new stadium AND, they are also charging PSLs. Again. You can’t say that all these companies are getting breaks and profiting but then not include the Bills. And you can add Sams Club and Costco all you want. That’s a membership fee. But if you really want to include them and their $50-100 membership fees to prove your point then I guess I’ll just concede and that you refuse to listen to any argument. So have a good day. 

yeah i never said it did not apply to the Bills also...🙄

if it's ok for all of them, why is it not ok for sports teams to do it?

[mrags]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

yeah i never said it did not apply to the Bills also...🙄

if it's ok for all of them, why is it not ok for sports teams to do it?

I never said it wasn’t ok for them to do it. Throughout this whole thing you can go back and see that I’m not against public funding. I’m not against PSLs or price increases either. What I do have a problem with, is basically getting the same experience we currently have now. Except everyone’s taxes have paid for it. And everyone is paying more for tickets and PSLs. I’ve argued that the Bills have a hard enough time as it is, selling out games in the winter. Especially when they are less than a top team in the league. 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I never said it wasn’t ok for them to do it. Throughout this whole thing you can go back and see that I’m not against public funding. I’m not against PSLs or price increases either. What I do have a problem with, is basically getting the same experience we currently have now. Except everyone’s taxes have paid for it. And everyone is paying more for tickets and PSLs. I’ve argued that the Bills have a hard enough time as it is, selling out games in the winter. Especially when they are less than a top team in the league. 

Yes. We get it. You have no problem with the ticket price increases or the PSLs except for the fact that we’re all paying more and “you’re getting the same thing.” In other words, not getting your F’n dome that you won’t shut up about. It’s over. Watch football outside sir, it won’t kill you. Buy a new coat.

 

You have no idea if we’re “getting the same thing” though, even though you’ve said it probably hundreds of times over two threads now. The only thing you know is the “same” is both stadiums are open air. You’ve said nothing about the concourse or gate or seating improvements that could be in this new stadium, because you don’t know. 
 

“basically the same experience we have now” - your words. Based on nothing except for the fact that there’s no roof. 
 

dude just don’t go. Honestly I’d feel icky being in the same building as someone like you anyways. Give your seats up to someone that can handle the elements. Christ.

 

 

[mrags]

46 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Yes. We get it. You have no problem with the ticket price increases or the PSLs except for the fact that we’re all paying more and “you’re getting the same thing.” In other words, not getting your F’n dome that you won’t shut up about. It’s over. Watch football outside sir, it won’t kill you. Buy a new coat.

 

You have no idea if we’re “getting the same thing” though, even though you’ve said it probably hundreds of times over two threads now. The only thing you know is the “same” is both stadiums are open air. You’ve said nothing about the concourse or gate or seating improvements that could be in this new stadium, because you don’t know. 
 

“basically the same experience we have now” - your words. Based on nothing except for the fact that there’s no roof. 
 

dude just don’t go. Honestly I’d feel icky being in the same building as someone like you anyways. Give your seats up to someone that can handle the elements. Christ.

 

 

Pretty sure I was having a conversation with @cba fan. Im quite sure I didn’t reply to any of your posts. I also haven’t brought up anything about a dome in a long time. I’m way past that as we all are at this point. I’m simply bringing up the fact that when the new place is built, and the team isn’t doing well. It’s not going to be easy selling it out. 
 

and it pretty much is going to be the same experience for much much more. Open air. Jumbotron at one or both ends. Teams on the field playing. Some highlights. Some concourses (which who really gives a crap about) and some concessions. 
 

not to mention that as much as I don’t know what we’re going to be getting, you have no idea what we are getting either. So that makes both of us clueless on the subject. 

28 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Easy for you to say from SoCal…

 

See in cold western NY there’s an obvious difference between sitting indoors and sitting under an overhang

 

 

Yup. About 40 degrees and about $1500 per season ticket for the year. And that’s now. I’d imagine $3000 difference or more with the new stadium. Not to mention the PSL fee 

[JoPoy88]

16 minutes ago, mrags said:

Pretty sure I was having a conversation with @cba fan. Im quite sure I didn’t reply to any of your posts. I also haven’t brought up anything about a dome in a long time. I’m way past that as we all are at this point. I’m simply bringing up the fact that when the new place is built, and the team isn’t doing well. It’s not going to be easy selling it out. 
 

and it pretty much is going to be the same experience for much much more. Open air. Jumbotron at one or both ends. Teams on the field playing. Some highlights. Some concourses (which who really gives a crap about) and some concessions. 

you’re not having a conversation with cba or anyone in particular if you’re posting in a thread. There’s DMs for that. And as far as “no one cares” about things like concourses, uh, I do. I’d like to not be sardined into tiny narrow concourses right after I waited 25 minutes to get through the gate. 
 

See these are things that the new stadium will almost definitely improve and you disregard because, again, you’re just salty about it not having a dome. I really don’t care how long it’s been since you’ve brought it up, people paying attention to these threads know what you’ve said. Stop trying to add nuance to your argument. there is none. And again, don’t go. You actually upgraded your seats so you’d have better priority for seasons in the new stadium? And now you’re complaining non stop because “it’s gonna be the same thing.” 
aka “I’m cold where’s my dome”

 

those tickets are wasted on the likes of you. Again, give em up. Let someone on the wait list have a go.

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Easy for you to say from SoCal…

 

See in cold western NY there’s an obvious difference between sitting indoors and sitting under an overhang

 

 

You can stay home too. No one will miss you. 

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

you’re not having a conversation with cba or anyone in particular if you’re posting in a thread. There’s DMs for that. And as far as “no one cares” about things like concourses, uh, I do. I’d like to not be sardined into tiny narrow concourses right after I waited 25 minutes to get through the gate. 
 

See these are things that the new stadium will almost definitely improve and you disregard because, again, you’re just salty about it not having a dome. I really don’t care how long it’s been since you’ve brought it up, people paying attention to these threads know what you’ve said. Stop trying to add nuance to your argument. there is none. And again, don’t go. You actually upgraded your seats so you’d have better priority for seasons in the new stadium? And now you’re complaining non stop because “it’s gonna be the same thing.” 
aka “I’m cold where’s my dome”

 

those tickets are wasted on the likes of you. Again, give em up. Let someone on the wait list have a go.

Naw. I think I’ll keep my tickets. And screw someone so they can’t get tickets. Then I’ll sell them to an opposing fan for 3x as much as I paid for them. Just to annoy people like you. 

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

You can stay home too. No one will miss you. 

I’ll miss him 

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

Naw. I think I’ll keep my tickets. And screw someone so they can’t get tickets. Then I’ll sell them to an opposing fan for 3x as much as I paid for them. Just to annoy people like you. 

Haha you think you’ll get 3x face value? When the new dump doesn’t even have a roof? I don’t know those Jets fans may have an issue with the chilly breezes. They may just stay home.

[SoCal Deek]

Okay people…the Oakland A’s have just announced that they’re in the final stages of moving to Las Vegas where they plan on building a $1.5 Billion, 35,000 seat stadium with a….yep…

retractable roof. The site is just a mile north of Allegiant Stadium along the Strip if anyone is familiar with the area. 
 

Oakland, another small, working class, original AFL city will have now lost EVERY one of its major sports franchises. (NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL). Three of the four will have left in the span of a decade, and all have left over lack of updated facilities. 

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay people…the Oakland A’s have just announced that they’re in the final stages of moving to Las Vegas where they plan on building a $1.5 Billion, 35,000 seat stadium with a….yep…

retractable roof. The site is just a mile north of Allegiant Stadium along the Strip if anyone is familiar with the area. 
 

Oakland, another small, working class, original AFL city will have now lost EVERY one of its major sports franchises. (NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL). Three of the four will have left in the span of a decade, and all have left over lack of updated facilities. 

 

They will need a roof. Could you imagine playing baseball especially in June, July, and August outside in Vegas. Nothing like running around in 120-degree weather.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

They will need a roof. Could you imagine playing baseball especially in June, July, and August outside in Vegas. Nothing like running around in 120-degree weather.

I wasn’t aware but apparently they have a Triple A team now, that’s the farm team for the A’s. I’m guessing they’ll relocate. 

[NewEra]

Uhoh-  I think this could be putting a strain on Josh and Diggs’ relationship and causing it to decline. 

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay people…the Oakland A’s have just announced that they’re in the final stages of moving to Las Vegas where they plan on building a $1.5 Billion, 35,000 seat stadium with a….yep…

retractable roof. The site is just a mile north of Allegiant Stadium along the Strip if anyone is familiar with the area. 
 

Oakland, another small, working class, original AFL city will have now lost EVERY one of its major sports franchises. (NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL). Three of the four will have left in the span of a decade, and all have left over lack of updated facilities. 

 

Oakland briefly had an NHL team many decades ago.  If there are any hockey fans in Oakland, they can go watch the bay area team in San Jose....which is pretty much where 49ers fans have to go to watch their once local NFL team...

 

Also, The Warriors have always been a Bay Area team, so Oakland really didn't "lose" an NBA team.  Oakland residents can cross the bridge to see them, just like SF residents had done for years to watch them in Oakland.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Oakland briefly had an NHL team many decades ago.  If there are any hockey fans in Oakland, they can go watch the bay area team in San Jose....which is pretty much where 49ers fans have to go to watch their once local NFL team...

 

Also, The Warriors have always been a Bay Area team, so Oakland really didn't "lose" an NBA team.  Oakland residents can cross the bridge to see them, just like SF residents had done for years to watch them in Oakland.

 

 

Weo….we’ve now established that you’re not from California. Oakland and San Francisco are most definitely not the same place. This is a significant blow to what was once a second tier major league city. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Weo….we’ve now established that you’re not from California. Oakland and San Francisco are most definitely not the same place. This is a significant blow to what was once a second tier major league city. 

 

A's are a blow for sure, but.

 

But regarding "losing their" NBA team, was it as equal of a blow to SF losing the 49ers to Santa Clara/San Jose?  That's a lot longer commute than for Oakland residents to go see the "Golden State" Warriors.

[SoCal Deek]

44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

A's are a blow for sure, but.

 

But regarding "losing their" NBA team, was it as equal of a blow to SF losing the 49ers to Santa Clara/San Jose?  That's a lot longer commute than for Oakland residents to go see the "Golden State" Warriors.

With much respect. The nuances of various regions are sometimes difficult to comprehend. There’s a significant difference between the east and west bay side. I’m sure it doesn’t seem like much from WNY, but do not try and tell somebody from the Bay Area that they’re the same. 
 

And as you correctly pointed out, the A’s and Raiders will now have both moved out of State, not just out of the metro area. Further still, if memory serves, the San Jose Sharks are NOT the old California Seals. I believe they are a totally new franchise.

Edited April 20, 2023 by SoCal Deek