The Walls be Closing

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Chris farley said:

I had a nice piece of salmon and quinoa for dinner.  

 

Even tried one of these amber stellas.  Very impressed and I'm not a beer drinker.  

 

My mother made and sent me a homemade lemon/ricotta cake. So gonna have a bit of that later.  

Maybe 

 

On my way to work this morning I passed a pretty ugly vehicle accident.  One of the vehicles looked familiar. Had a coexist sticker on it. 

 

Hope this safety plays as good as he looks on tape. Hyde and poyer ain't getting younger.  

 

 

I dislike quinoa intensely.  Didn't know stella made an amber.  No cake altho I liked the band. Leftover Salmon is pretty good too.  And yes.

Edited March 29, 2023 by redtail hawk

[L Ron Burgundy]

10 hours ago, Kemp said:

Empty?

Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was dismissed from his position and later pled guilty to making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition.[174][175]

Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[179] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[180][181] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[182][183] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[184] in February 2018.
 

George Papadopoulos, Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[185]

 

Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[186] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[187] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[188]

 

Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch lawyer with the global law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, he pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement to investigators while answering questions about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[189]

But it's a conspiracy....while they are the party of Jewish space lasers, qanon, and literally daily conspiracy theories.  Every day a new one.

 

Zero self awareness.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

What do trump's associates or mtg tweet have anything to do with trump being indicted or ever actually convicted of an investigation.

 

Nothing. All strawman. 

[Kemp]

2 hours ago, Chris farley said:

What do trump's associates or mtg tweet have anything to do with trump being indicted or ever actually convicted of an investigation.

 

Nothing. All strawman. 

 

You act blissfully unaware of connections between Trump and Russia, even though we all know you are aware.

4 of the people cited worked for Trump and were found guilty in issues that involved Russia.

It takes longer to get the Don than the criminals who work for the Don.

[All_Pro_Bills]

12 hours ago, Kemp said:

Empty?

Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was dismissed from his position and later pled guilty to making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition.[174][175]

Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[179] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[180][181] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[182][183] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[184] in February 2018.
 

George Papadopoulos, Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[185]

 

Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[186] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[187] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[188]

 

Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch lawyer with the global law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, he pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement to investigators while answering questions about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[189]

4 cases of lying to investigators, Manafort's tax evasion charges prior to joining the campaign.  A Dutch lawyer?  That's a stretch.  And Stone meeting with a Russian person?  That's not a crime.  But this same Russian person, met with Glen Simpson at FusionGPS.  The guy Hillary used as a conduit to funnel payments to Steele for the bogus dossier.  Does that seem the least bit suspicious to you?  What could they have possibly discussed?  Should we scrutinize all of Mr. Simpson's contacts too?

 

So how many millions votes and which States did this alleged interference change?   Reality is a lot of people have been bullshitted into believing this story for 7 years and there's no turning back for them. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That's not a crime. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/politics/trump-roger-stone-clemency.html

 

You MAGA's try so hard, but the truth is the truth.  There's no such thing as alternative facts.

[Kemp]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

4 cases of lying to investigators, Manafort's tax evasion charges prior to joining the campaign.  A Dutch lawyer?  That's a stretch.  And Stone meeting with a Russian person?  That's not a crime.  But this same Russian person, met with Glen Simpson at FusionGPS.  The guy Hillary used as a conduit to funnel payments to Steele for the bogus dossier.  Does that seem the least bit suspicious to you?  What could they have possibly discussed?  Should we scrutinize all of Mr. Simpson's contacts too?

 

So how many millions votes and which States did this alleged interference change?   Reality is a lot of people have been bullshitted into believing this story for 7 years and there's no turning back for them. 

 

How many coincidences do you need before you see a pattern?

So, why do you believe Putin tried so hard to get Trump elected?

There is no disputing that he did.

[All_Pro_Bills]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/politics/trump-roger-stone-clemency.html

 

You MAGA's try so hard, but the truth is the truth.  There's no such thing as alternative facts.

The truth is Trump pardoned Stone.  So what's you're point?  

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

How many coincidences do you need before you see a pattern?

So, why do you believe Putin tried so hard to get Trump elected?

There is no disputing that he did.

I don't think Putin tried to get Trump elected.  What would he want to do that for?  To keep Biden's administration from destroying America and our standing in the world community?  Great plan. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

How many coincidences do you need before you see a pattern?

So, why do you believe Putin tried so hard to get Trump elected?

There is no disputing that he did.

If nothing illegal was done, why did they all lie so much?  If there was nothing nefarious they would have just told the truth.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't think Putin tried to get Trump elected.  What would he want to do that for? 

Hannity did not air the part of his interview where trump said he'd have let Putin invade.

 

And what about this.  Presumably you accept some of Mueller's finding and completely reject others

 

The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.

Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.

A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice.

 

Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016 

Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1]

Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3]

Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4]

 

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

 

Mostly willful ignorance by the MAGA's but in this case it might be feigned.

Edited March 29, 2023 by redtail hawk

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

If nothing illegal was done, why did they all lie so much?  If there was nothing nefarious they would have just told the truth.

I don't know why they lied.  Perhaps poor judgment?  But the only charge was lying to investigators and if they told "the truth" there would have been no charges for anything.  So the lesson is that if FBI or some other law enforcement agency asked you questions either tell the truth or decline to answer their questions without the presence of your attorney.  

11 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Hannity did not air the part of his interview where trump said he'd have let Putin invade.

 

Mostly willful ignorance by the MAGA's but in this case it might be feigned.

That's a moot point.  Because if Trump was President the Russians wouldn't have invaded. 

[Tommy Callahan]

31 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

You act blissfully unaware of connections between Trump and Russia, even though we all know you are aware.

4 of the people cited worked for Trump and were found guilty in issues that involved Russia.

It takes longer to get the Don than the criminals who work for the Don.

So The aticle is about Don, And every time you all investigated and said he was going down (and this thread). then went with his associates to prove this time is different than all the rest.

 

Now its back to mueller and fox news.

 

Lots of strawmen being tossed. WHY

 

 

[Kemp]

17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The truth is Trump pardoned Stone.  So what's you're point?  

I don't think Putin tried to get Trump elected.  What would he want to do that for?  To keep Biden's administration from destroying America and our standing in the world community?  Great plan. 

 

If you don't understand that Putin wanted Trump to win, you're a simpleton.

More likely, you just refuse to admit it because then you would have to face up to reality.

Why do you believe Trump refused to have an American translator with him when he spoke to Putin?

Why do you believe Tucker Carlson is regularly featured on Putin State TV in Russia?

More coincidences?

You can't answer these questions and you can't dispute them.

Prove me wrong.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Because if Trump was President the Russians wouldn't have invaded

and you know this how, omnipresent one?

5 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

So The aticle is about Don, And every time you all investigated and said he was going down (and this thread). then went with his associates to prove this time is different than all the rest.

 

Now its back to mueller and fox news.

 

Lots of strawmen being tossed. WHY

 

 

Not straw men,  We're arguing against the premise that trump and his band of traitors didn't work with Russians  to win the election.

[L Ron Burgundy]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

I don't know why they lied.  Perhaps poor judgment?  But the only charge was lying to investigators and if they told "the truth" there would have been no charges for anything.  So the lesson is that if FBI or some other law enforcement agency asked you questions either tell the truth or decline to answer their questions without the presence of your attorney.  

They lied because they broke the law.  I'd bet there was a lot more they got away with as well.  It's not a conspiracy theory.  

[Kemp]

7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

That's a moot point.  Because if Trump was President the Russians wouldn't have invaded. 

 

Other than you saying it, what is the evidence to support this?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

Other than you saying it, what is the evidence to support this?

it's almost like they had part of their brains washed away.

[Kemp]

12 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

So The aticle is about Don, And every time you all investigated and said he was going down (and this thread). then went with his associates to prove this time is different than all the rest.

 

Now its back to mueller and fox news.

 

Lots of strawmen being tossed. WHY

 

 

 

Strawmen?

 

Multiple Trump employees found guilty for interactions with Russia.

Coincidences all?

BTW, do you agree with your beloved Trump that those that attacked the Capitol are heroes?
 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Kemp

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Other than you saying it, what is the evidence to support this?

Biden's administration, thru re-inserting neocon Nuland and stepped up arms deliveries, encouraged Ukrainian paramilitary groups to step up attacks on ethnic Russian separatists in the east which began in 2014 and dismissed any diplomatic efforts and conversations between the parties.  Escalation followed escalation and events unfolded to where they sit today.  Trump's Department of State would have done neither.  Now China is stepping into the vacuum and along with new partner France have begun engagement with Ukraine and Russia to broker a peace deal, absent Washington which of course is against any peace deal.    

[L Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Biden's administration, thru re-inserting neocon Nuland and stepped up arms deliveries, encouraged Ukrainian paramilitary groups to step up attacks on ethnic Russian separatists in the east which began in 2014 and dismissed any diplomatic efforts and conversations between the parties.  Escalation followed escalation and events unfolded to where they sit today.  Trump's Department of State would have done neither.  Now China is stepping into the vacuum and along with new partner France have begun engagement with Ukraine and Russia to broker a peace deal, absent Washington which of course is against any peace deal.    

Sooo, no evidence.   Got it.  Just the usual making stuff up.  

22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

it's almost like they had part of their brains washed away.

Sometimes I think it's attempted trolling.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Sometimes I think it's attempted trolling.

perhaps, i favor the ignorance theory...

[SoCal Deek]

1,460 days

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

1,460 days

Is that a reference to the day the Mueller report came out and had nothing?

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Sooo, no evidence.   Got it.  Just the usual making stuff up.  

Sometimes I think it's attempted trolling.

I've got to laugh at the "evidence" ploy.  But I'm not making anything up.  For the unfamiliar its called reasoning and my reasoning is Trump would have continued the administration's policy and Biden's would not have been implemented.  That seems like a reasonable conclusion.  

 

But put your money on the Washington establishment.  But be warned, its a losing bet.  They've bungled every foreign adventure for the past 25 years and there's no reason to expect anything different.  They're well on their way to screwing this up too.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Is that a reference to the day the Mueller report came out and had nothing?

 

 

That’s how many days Trump was in office. It’s not like Putin didn’t have plenty of time to attack during any one of those 1,460 days. Nope….he waited until the incredibly weak Joe Biden sat behind the desk. Like everything else, this is NOT complicated. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

Strawmen?

 

Multiple Trump employees found guilty for interactions with Russia.

Coincidences all?

BTW, do you agree with your beloved Trump that those that attacked the Capitol are heroes?
 

 

Interactions with Russia don't even come close to being "collusion."  Collusion is having a disgraced British spy get lies from Russians and pass it off as legit intel in order to take down a President.

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I've got to laugh at the "evidence" ploy.  But I'm not making anything up.  For the unfamiliar its called reasoning and my reasoning is Trump would have continued the administration's policy and Biden's would not have been implemented.  That seems like a reasonable conclusion.  

 

But put your money on the Washington establishment.  But be warned, its a losing bet.  They've bungled every foreign adventure for the past 25 years and there's no reason to expect anything different.  They're well on their way to screwing this up too.

There are still facts and your reasoning is often not based on fact.

 

The assumption that if Trump were elected Russia would not have invaded Ukraine is pure fantasy. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s how many days Trump was in office. It’s not like Putin didn’t have plenty of time to attack during any one of those 1,460 days. Nope….he waited until the incredibly weak Joe Biden sat behind the desk. Like everything else, this is NOT complicated. 

Biden is weak.  Trump showed nothing to indicate he was going to be stronger.  Zero.  And he has much less respect on the international stage, which absolutely matters.  The world laughed at him.

[All_Pro_Bills]

13 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

There are still facts and your reasoning is often not based on fact.

 

The assumption that if Trump were elected Russia would not have invaded Ukraine is pure fantasy. 

Its well thought out reasoning supported by the conclusion that a policy which was in effect would continue.  What's your argument?  That regardless of who won Putin would have attacked?  How is that any better? 

[Tommy Callahan]

so this turned into some Blue anon conspiracy thread.

 

from the same voices that been spreading them and been wrong for years.

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Its well thought out reasoning supported by the conclusion that a policy which was in effect would continue.  What's your argument?  That regardless of who won Putin would have attacked?  How is that any better? 

 

21 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

There are still facts and your reasoning is often not based on fact.

 

The assumption that if Trump were elected Russia would not have invaded Ukraine is pure fantasy. 

The invasion was in 2014.  The escalation was with Biden. Why no escalation between those times?  

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

10 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

 

The invasion was in 2014.  The escalation was with Biden. Why no escalation between those times?  

 

 

 

People that directly or indirectly support an ideology and political view that accepts the concept that a man can be a woman simply by believing they're a woman demanding and accepting only "fact" based arguments.  No self-awareness.

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

People that directly or indirectly support an ideology and political view that accepts the concept that a man can be a woman simply by believing they're a woman demanding and accepting only "fact" based arguments.  No self-awareness.

I must have missed something in translation.

 

 

[Wacka]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Interactions with Russia don't even come close to being "collusion."  Collusion is having a disgraced British spy get lies from Russians and pass it off as legit intel in order to take down a President.

Collusion is having your  drug addict, deadbeat dad son get million $ payouts from Ukraine and the CCP and giving you a cut.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Wacka

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

 

The invasion was in 2014.  The escalation was with Biden. Why no escalation between those times?  

 

 

 

You think they made the decision to go all out war based on our president?  That's absurd. Our political situation is but one factor in the equation.   They thought they were either going to roll over Ukraine or be welcomed.  To think Putin would have changed his mind because of that orange twaat is beyond laughable.   

 

Stop tanning your nads it's somehow making your brains soft.

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, Wacka said:

Collusion is having your  drug addict, deadbeat dad son get million $ payouts from Ukraine and the CCP and giving you a cut.

 

Stop that's all just another nothing burger!

 

Except if Hunter was Eric or Don Jr. in which case the orange man would be already locked up.

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

You think they made the decision to go all out war based on our president?  That's absurd. Our political situation is but one factor in the equation.   They thought they were either going to roll over Ukraine or be welcomed.  To think Putin would have changed his mind because of that orange twaat is beyond laughable.   

 

Stop tanning your nads it's somehow making your brains soft.

 

Obviously.  Why do nothing when Trump, his alleged puppet, was in office and it would have been easier?

[L Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Obviously.  Why do nothing when Trump, his alleged puppet, was in office and it would have been easier?

Not everything is about us.  It's a crazy concept I know.  US response was 1 of many factors that went into their escalation.  I'm sorry but those Trump Rambo posters are fake.  This idea that Trump is tough is a laughable facade.

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Not everything is about us.  It's a crazy concept I know.  US response was 1 of many factors that went into their escalation.  I'm sorry but those Trump Rambo posters are fake.  This idea that Trump is tough is a laughable facade.

 

You're not making your point here.  If Trump isn't so tough and again is a Putin puppet, why not invade while he was President and he would just let them do it?  Did the Nazis just start taking over the Ukraine after Trump left office or that after decades being independent Ukrainians suddenly wanted to become Russian again?  

Edited March 29, 2023 by Doc

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

34 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Not everything is about us.  It's a crazy concept I know.  US response was 1 of many factors that went into their escalation.  I'm sorry but those Trump Rambo posters are fake.  This idea that Trump is tough is a laughable facade.

He's obviously tougher than biden lol. Trump had 4 years to deliver Ukraine on a platter to russia if he wanted to or was a Russian asset.......but it never happened.