Matt Araiza, The Punt God, Signs With Team in Mexico

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Is there a "statutory rape kit"?  Is that what was administered?

 

Anyway, the only reason he was not charged with statutory rape it that it is his good fortune to live in a state that allows for a "hey, she told me she was of age!!" defense.  For a guy with nothing to worry about, wouldn't his lawyer reach out for a settlement amount at the beginning of August?  If this was just a shakedown, why did this happen (from texts released by the plaintiff's lawyer)?

 

"Armstrong then says that Araiza’s parents had inquired about the monetary amount Gilleon's client wanted and warns that if Gilleon “keeps calling the Bills and he gets cut, there will be no money to get.”

 

"Statutory rape kit"?  Huh?

 

Anyway, the statutory rape laws weren't designed for people like your girl who, as high schoolers, go to college parties and claim they're 18 so they can get drunk and increase their "body count" with college guys.  At least California, one of just 10 states in the country with the age of consent as high as 18 (real luck), has the good sense to recognize it, probably because it happens so often.  So yeah, "hey, she told me she was of age!" and more importantly evidence to back it up was enough gor the DA to not press charges at least for that part.  I don't know what you're having trouble with here except your feelings and I can't do anything about them.

 

And there's a difference between nothing to worry about legally and in the court of public opinion.  If Gilleon hadn't gone public and the DA was allowed to finish his investigation, Araiza would still a Buffalo Bill because no charges were ever filed.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

Dude what alternate reality do you live in??? You’re a college kid at a college party and a girl who looks like all the other college girls wants to have sex with you (and it was proven she was telling people she attended a nearby college)…WHO ASKS FOR PROOF??? I could see if she looked really young. Nobody felt the need to assume she was lying. You think he should be labeled a sexual predator and have to register as a sex offender for life because of this??? What is wrong with you man???

 

And because of people like YOU is exactly why people like to settle out of court and hush false accusers because they know if their false accusations go public then it ends up like exactly what happened to Araiza. Guilty or not. So to assume guilt cause they tried to settle shows how naive you are and have little grip on the real world and what being fair as possible means. 

 

 

Being "as fair as possible" is just concluding "she's a lying slut".  I get it...

[StHustle]

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

"Statutory rape kit"?  Huh?

 

Anyway, the statutory rape laws weren't designed for people like your girl who, as high schoolers, go to college parties and claim they're 18 so they can get drunk and increase their "body count" with college guys.  At least California, one of just 10 states in the country with the age of consent as high as 18 (real luck), has the good sense to recognize it, probably because it happens so often.  So yeah, "hey, she told me she was of age!" and more importantly evidence to back it up was enough gor the DA to not press charges at least for that part.  I don't know what you're having trouble with here except your feelings and I can't do anything about them.

 

And there's a difference between nothing to worry about legally and in the court of public opinion.  If Gilleon hadn't gone public and the DA was allowed to finish his investigation, Araiza would still a Buffalo Bill because no charges were ever filed.

Some folks live in perfect people world where 21 year olds should be able to magically know the difference between a 18 year old and a 17 year old claiming to be 18. And a world where you are automatically guilty if you don’t want gals accusations to become public.

 

I see we are both the type who wants to hear some sort of solid evidence of a crime before we label the accused as guilty. When the accuser is proven to lack integrity and it’s a he said she said case then I don’t get how anyone can simply believe the accuser.

 

These type cases are especially sensitive cause court of public opinion aside, having to register as a sex offender for the rest of your life over a false accusation is something I wouldn’t wish on my worse enemy.

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Being "as fair as possible" is just concluding "she's a lying slut".  I get it...

Dude she had sex with a guy she just met that day OUTSIDE and lied about her age and said she was in college. Yes she’s a lying slut. How am I wrong???

[Mr. WEO]

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

"Statutory rape kit"?  Huh?

 

Anyway, the statutory rape laws weren't designed for people like your girl who, as high schoolers, go to college parties and claim they're 18 so they can get drunk and increase their "body count" with college guys.  At least California, one of just 10 states in the country with the age of consent as high as 18 (real luck), has the good sense to recognize it, probably because it happens so often.  So yeah, "hey, she told me she was of age!" and more importantly evidence to back it up was enough gor the DA to not press charges at least for that part.  I don't know what you're having trouble with here except your feelings and I can't do anything about them.

 

And there's a difference between nothing to worry about legally and in the court of public opinion.  If Gilleon hadn't gone public and the DA was allowed to finish his investigation, Araiza would still a Buffalo Bill because no charges were ever filed.

 

Obviously, if Araiza had been honest, he would have alerted the Bills an allegation of sexual assault/gang rape (not just "statutory rape"--you keep forgetting this, crazy right?!) had been made against their draftee 6 months prior.  And he would have alerted them of a law suit filed against him after they drafted him---which they had to find out about after the plaintiff's lawyer called the Bills.

 

He hid all of this--for obvious reasons.  Maybe he was thinking the Bills would be cool with all of this, that he was such a great asset as a Punter, that they wouldn't mind catching the immense heat he absolutely had to know he was going to subject them to due to his choices.

 

A great man, to be sure.  

[Chaos]

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Obviously, if Araiza had been honest, he would have alerted the Bills an allegation of sexual assault/gang rape (not just "statutory rape"--you keep forgetting this, crazy right?!) had been made against their draftee 6 months prior.  And he would have alerted them of a law suit filed against him after they drafted him---which they had to find out about after the plaintiff's lawyer called the Bills.

 

He hid all of this--for obvious reasons.  Maybe he was thinking the Bills would be cool with all of this, that he was such a great asset as a Punter, that they wouldn't mind catching the immense heat he absolutely had to know he was going to subject them to due to his choices.

 

A great man, to be sure.  

If he had no contractual obligation to disclose allegations then there is nothing dishonest about not disclosing those allegations or lawsuits.  

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If he had no contractual obligation to disclose allegations then there is nothing dishonest about not disclosing those allegations or lawsuits.  

there was no contract before he was signed.

 

True, it was his prerogative  to hide both of these facts, even after he signed.  Therefore he shouldn’t be surprised or disappointed at the consequences of those choices.  Unless he’s a complete moron, he had to know how this was doomed to end. 
 

if he had been honest with the team—at least AFTER they drafted him, there’s the slimmest chance they would have stashed him somehow until the DA decided on charges.  
 

But he didn’t.  In the end, he was too stupid to kept around and clearly not worth the embarrassment tye Bills endured over him.

[peterpan]

People just need to stop believing in un-believable things.  This story, from the beginning, was unbelievable.  And shock- there wasn’t evidence to support it, AND they found evidence to the contrary!!!!

 

I’m angry that the Bills didn’t keep him.  Just say “no comment” and be done with it.  the twitter mob is NOT real life and has the attention span of a goldfish.  2 days later no one even remembers this Matt guy except bills fans.
 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

On 2/17/2023 at 9:41 AM, Big Turk said:

 

Marvin Gaye sang a song about what he heard...perhaps the poster could do the same for us?

 

As Odysseus send put beeswax in your ears!

[John from Riverside]

Are we back on this again?
 

Every team in the NFL thought that Matt was a bad risk after what happened

 

It’s not like the bills did anything super controversial it would’ve been more controversial if they would’ve kept him

 

I’m not gonna speak on guilt or innocence on this because I absolutely don’t know. I do know that the bills were lucky because a quality punter came available for them at the time that all this happened and they should just resign the guy that has been productive for them.

 

With any kind of luck we won’t be punting much next year anyway

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Obviously, if Araiza had been honest, he would have alerted the Bills an allegation of sexual assault/gang rape (not just "statutory rape"--you keep forgetting this, crazy right?!) had been made against their draftee 6 months prior.  And he would have alerted them of a law suit filed against him after they drafted him---which they had to find out about after the plaintiff's lawyer called the Bills.

 

He hid all of this--for obvious reasons.  Maybe he was thinking the Bills would be cool with all of this, that he was such a great asset as a Punter, that they wouldn't mind catching the immense heat he absolutely had to know he was going to subject them to due to his choices.

 

A great man, to be sure.  

 

Araiza's lawyer said that Araiza didn't know of the allegations prior to the draft.  If he did, he should have told the Bills at the Combine, which was the only time he met with them.  But that doesn't mean at all that he did what was alleged so it's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

 

BTW, apparently there is a cell phone video of the gang rape ().  How much do you want to bet Araiza is not in it?  And if he's not, what say you then? 

Edited February 20, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Araiza's lawyer said that Araiza didn't know of the allegations prior to the draft.  If he did, he should have told the Bills at the Combine, which was the only time he met with them.  But that doesn't mean at all that he did what was alleged so it's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

 

BTW, apparently there is a cell phone video of the gang rape ().  How much do you want to bet Araiza is not in it?  And if he's not, what say you then? 

 

His lawyer has lied on multiple occasions: about Araiza having told the Bills about the suit and about the Araiza's having him contact the plaintiff's lawyer about how much  money she wanted to make it go away----before the suit was filed. 

 

Araiza's name came up within days of the party and the story was spread all over campus.  Soon after SDPD began their investigation. Maybe Araiza was the only one on campus who didn't know he was the person named, right?

 

If he's not in the video he's not in it.  I would think such a video would have led to charges for those in it however

[freddyjj]

13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

if he had been honest with the team—at least AFTER they drafted him, there’s the slimmest chance they would have stashed him somehow until the DA decided on charges.  
 

But he didn’t.  In the end, he was too stupid to kept around and clearly not worth the embarrassment tye Bills endured over him

This is why you don't draft a Californian, left-footed ranch dressing loving punter!!

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

His lawyer has lied on multiple occasions: about Araiza having told the Bills about the suit and about the Araiza's having him contact the plaintiff's lawyer about how much  money she wanted to make it go away----before the suit was filed. 

 

Araiza's name came up within days of the party and the story was spread all over campus.  Soon after SDPD began their investigation. Maybe Araiza was the only one on campus who didn't know he was the person named, right?

 

If he's not in the video he's not in it.  I would think such a video would have led to charges for those in it however

 

I'm not going to bother with who knew what and when and who really lied but I'll say that if Araiza did know about the allegations before the draft and told the Bills, they would have done the same thing they did: investigate them, find them to be as bogus as they sounded and still draft (keep) him.  Her lawyer is the one who caused all this by filing a civil suit before the criminal investigation was done, because he knew he had a weak case and was hoping for a quick settlement after Araiza made the team.

 

As for the bolded, yeah, you'd think.  What's the other conclusion?

Edited February 20, 2023 by Doc

[JoPoy88]

Appears he’s not signing there after all.

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Appears he’s not signing there after all.

Not surprised. But his civil trial is for October 20th so he probably won’t be joining a team before then.  

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I'm not going to bother with who knew what and when and who really lied but I'll say that if Araiza did know about the allegations before the draft and told the Bills, they would have done the same thing they did: investigate them, find them to be as bogus as they sounded and still draft (keep) him.  Her lawyer is the one who caused all this by filing a civil suit before the criminal investigation was done, because he knew he had a weak case and was hoping for a quick settlement after Araiza made the team.

 

As for the bolded, yeah, you'd think.  What's the other conclusion?

 

 

Don't need to, I just did.

 

Seeing as the DA didn't get the case for months after the Bills drafted the guy, there's little chance their crack detective squad would have "cleared" him before the draft. My guess is that the FO and at least Kim Pegula would have said.."for a Punter?, forget it".

 

The suit was filed because the SDPD wouldn't turn over the case to the DA.  Csse is filed and presto--DA gets the file.

2 hours ago, Doc said:

Not surprised. But his civil trial is for October 20th so he probably won’t be joining a team before then.  

 

 

Why not sign him now?  The allegations are bogus right?  

[Doc]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Don't need to, I just did.

 

Seeing as the DA didn't get the case for months after the Bills drafted the guy, there's little chance their crack detective squad would have "cleared" him before the draft. My guess is that the FO and at least Kim Pegula would have said.."for a Punter?, forget it".

 

The suit was filed because the SDPD wouldn't turn over the case to the DA.  Csse is filed and presto--DA gets the file.

 

The Bills cleared him after learning about the allegations and they still kept him over Haack when they could easily have dumped him, being just a 6th rounder with a $216K signing bonus.  The pre-draft process would have been no different.  And guess what?  The "crack detective squad" was right about the allegations.  Imagine that?

 

And the suit was conveniently filed after Araiza won the punting job.  Gilleon could have forced the SDPD to turn over the case to the DA months prior.  It's not hard to figure out why he waited until that moment.

 

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why not sign him now?  The allegations are bogus right?  

 

Why?  The first mini-camps aren't for another 3 months.  And they looked bogus from the start.  Teams are waiting until the civil trial, for optics purposes.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The Bills cleared him after learning about the allegations and they still kept him over Haack when they could easily have dumped him, being just a 6th rounder with a $216K signing bonus.  The pre-draft process would have been no different.  And guess what?  The "crack detective squad" was right about the allegations.  Imagine that?

 

And the suit was conveniently filed after Araiza won the punting job.  Gilleon could have forced the SDPD to turn over the case to the DA months prior.  It's not hard to figure out why he waited until that moment.

 

 

Why?  The first mini-camps aren't for another 3 months.  And they looked bogus from the start.  Teams are waiting until the civil trial, for optics purposes.

 

The Bills knew about the allegations before Araiza won the job. The plaintiff's lawyer called them to give them the heads up.  They never got back to him.  Araiza's lawyer told them weeks before (because his client, who he told to inform the Bills himself 6 weeks prior, didn't do).

 

Their crack team of sleuths didn't even know about the allegations until the end of July...when the plaintiff's lawyer told the team counsel, yet 2 teams told the AP they knew of allegations back before the draft.  

 

It took the SPD something like 135 days to investigate and hand the case to the DA, yet the Bills did all that in, what, a week? No--they mainly relied on what Araiza's lawyers team reported.  But it sure didn't look like the detective squad did NOT prepare the Bills for what as in that lawsuit, or they wouldn't have cut him---why wouldn't they just ride out the storm?  They could just say, "yeah, our investigators had already informed of us of every detail in that suit and we don't believe any of it is true.  Matt is one of us, he stays, an innocent Punter?"

 

Optics?  You have declared him an innocent man, what's wrong with those optics?  How does a pending civil suit make him untouchable until after the suit is over?  Certainly a jury of your peers will reaffirm his innocence in all this, so why wait half a season to sign him?

[Sherlock Holmes]

11 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The Bills cleared him after learning about the allegations and they still kept him over Haack when they could easily have dumped him, being just a 6th rounder with a $216K signing bonus.  The pre-draft process would have been no different.  And guess what?  The "crack detective squad" was right about the allegations.  Imagine that?

 

And the suit was conveniently filed after Araiza won the punting job.  Gilleon could have forced the SDPD to turn over the case to the DA months prior.  It's not hard to figure out why he waited until that moment.

 

 

Why?  The first mini-camps aren't for another 3 months.  And they looked bogus from the start.  Teams are waiting until the civil trial, for optics purposes.

 

49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Bills knew about the allegations before Araiza won the job. The plaintiff's lawyer called them to give them the heads up.  They never got back to him.  Araiza's lawyer told them weeks before (because his client, who he told to inform the Bills himself 6 weeks prior, didn't do).

 

Their crack team of sleuths didn't even know about the allegations until the end of July...when the plaintiff's lawyer told the team counsel, yet 2 teams told the AP they knew of allegations back before the draft.  

 

It took the SPD something like 135 days to investigate and hand the case to the DA, yet the Bills did all that in, what, a week? No--they mainly relied on what Araiza's lawyers team reported.  But it sure didn't look like the detective squad did NOT prepare the Bills for what as in that lawsuit, or they wouldn't have cut him---why wouldn't they just ride out the storm?  They could just say, "yeah, our investigators had already informed of us of every detail in that suit and we don't believe any of it is true.  Matt is one of us, he stays, an innocent Punter?"

 

Optics?  You have declared him an innocent man, what's wrong with those optics?  How does a pending civil suit make him untouchable until after the suit is over?  Certainly a jury of your peers will reaffirm his innocence in all this, so why wait half a season to sign him?

You guys are both right...we should re-sign him right this instant!

[PrimeTime101]

5 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

 

You guys are both right...we should re-sign him right this instant!

then again maybe not. he did not sign with mexico 

 

Edited: I thought I read somewhere that he was done with football. cant find it now so obviously i was wrong 

Edited February 21, 2023 by PrimeTime101