Impact of Dobbs and Abortion Laws

[Wacka]

"Planned Parenthood" , the biggest  killer of minority ( and all) youth  in the country.

[Doc]

40 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

To a point, her main focus by far was birth control. She went to jail fighting for that, not eugenics 

 

Yes, birth control...for black and poor people.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Doc

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yes, birth control...for black and poor people.

Actually for everyone. 

 

 

 

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Republicans’ extreme antiabortion stance cost them dearly in the midterms, especially among women, young people and college-educated voters. But rather than adjust course, they are doubling down. Like the American tourist who thinks if he yells loud enough, non-English speakers will finally understand him, they have decided to be more aggressive in trying to block abortion access.

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House Republicans have already passed two antiabortion measures (which have no chance of passing the Senate). They have also filed other bills seeking to limit access to abortion. Likewise, Senate Republicans are pushing an array of antiabortion measures, including restrictions on interstate travel for the procedure and bans on federal funding for colleges that supply abortion medication.

Meanwhile, a forced-birth group in Texas is suing to reverse the Food and Drug Administration’s decades-old authorization of mifepristone, which is one of two drugs used for medical abortions (and is also critical for the treatment of miscarriages). Twenty-two red states have filed amicus briefs expressing support for the effort to deprive women of safe, effective medication. And in Congress, Republican Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona filed a bill to do the same.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/15/republicans-abortion-double-down/

 

 

A recent Gallup survey shows that Americans are increasingly frustrated with U.S. abortion policy. “The record-high 69% of U.S. adults dissatisfied with abortion laws includes 46% who prefer that these laws be made less strict, marking a 16-percentage-point jump in this sentiment since January 2022,” the poll reports. “In addition, 15% of Americans are dissatisfied and favor stricter laws, and 8% are dissatisfied but want them to stay the same.”

Likewise, an NPR-Ipsos poll in January found that 3 out of 5 Americans want abortion legal in all or most cases. The overwhelming sentiment is that government should “butt out,” as one respondent told the pollsters. NPR reports:

Fifty-eight percent of respondents say they think lawmakers are making abortion policy based on what donors and their base want, not what the majority of the public wants.

They also voiced this disconnect when evaluating federal officials making calls about abortion rights.

An even larger number, 62% of respondents, say the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade was based “more on politics than the law.” Sixty percent of respondents say that they thought the Roe decision was correctly decided in 1973.

[BillStime]

🎯

 

 

[BillStime]

They won't learn

 

 

[B-Man]

On 2/15/2023 at 9:46 AM, Doc said:

 

Yes, birth control...for black and poor people.

 

 

And others.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Jessa Duggar had a miscarriage so the pro-abortion brigade is front and center using her situation to cackle about her loss while pushing for ABORTION.

 

To be clear, if you have to conflate a miscarriage with abortion to push your repugnant, cruel agenda then your agenda sucks........Big time.

 

It’s one thing to see pro-aborts deliberately confusing women about ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, and other emergency situations with MUH ABORTION, but seeing the joy they take in the misery of another woman who suffered a miscarriage? No words.

 

 

 

 

Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t conflate the two … when you’re eviler than Planned Parenthood?

 

Yikes.

 

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/02/26/legacy-blue-check-ghoul-lying-about-jessa-duggars-miscarriage-to-push-muh-abortion-goes-so-wrong/

[Tiberius]

A recent report from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) finds, “Just under two-thirds of Americans (64%) say that abortion should be legal in most or almost all cases,” including 68 percent of independents. Only one-third say it should be illegal in most or almost all cases. Even among Republicans, 36 percent favor legal abortion. And the percentage of the party that favors banning all or most abortions has declined from 21 to 14 percent in just over a year.

 

 

https://www.prri.org/research/abortion-attitudes-in-a-post-roe-world-findings-from-the-50-state-2022-american-values-atlas/

[Tommy Callahan]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

A recent report from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) finds, “Just under two-thirds of Americans (64%) say that abortion should be legal in most or almost all cases,” including 68 percent of independents. Only one-third say it should be illegal in most or almost all cases. Even among Republicans, 36 percent favor legal abortion. And the percentage of the party that favors banning all or most abortions has declined from 21 to 14 percent in just over a year.

 

 

https://www.prri.org/research/abortion-attitudes-in-a-post-roe-world-findings-from-the-50-state-2022-american-values-atlas/

So you and the poll support elective abortions through any trimester for any reason?

 

Seems most polling shows people support electives till viability.  and why most polls now leave out that term.

 

 

On 2/24/2023 at 11:30 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

And others.

 

 

 

and in an ironic twist, how the Nazi Camps were built and created. as a way to reduce cost.  you know them elderly, and undesirables/eaters are expensive.

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

So you and the poll support elective abortions through any trimester for any reason?

 

Seems most polling shows people support electives till viability.  and why most polls now leave out that term.

 

 

and in an ironic twist, how the Nazi Camps were built and created. as a way to reduce cost.  you know them elderly, and undesirables/eaters are expensive.

 

 

But most GOP laws ban abortion way before that. 

 

Nazis also went after women's reproductive rights to keep up the population so they would have soldiers. The "domestic supply of infants" arguments 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But most GOP laws ban abortion way before that. 

 

Nazis also went after women's reproductive rights to keep up the population so they would have soldiers. The "domestic supply of infants" arguments 

 

 

the nazis promoted sterilization based on RACE and/or IQ.  they were all about the eugenics.

 

 

The law that got abortion to the supreme court, was a 15 week elective limit.  that a DEM pac fought to the supreme court.

 

from the post you made above, that viability is somewhere around birth.

 

I mean here in NY we changed it from mothers' health/life for late term abortions, to the mother's mental health for late term abortions.  so viability really means nothing in NY.

 

what's that magic number for viability?

 

here are the EU data that shows it varies from county to country, even being banned in some.

 

https://reproductiverights.org/european-abortion-law-comparative-overview-0/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Chris farley

[Tiberius]

Access to abortion, as well as the cultural milieu associated with that position, is certainly one of many factors people consider when determining where to live, work or start a business. It is also noteworthy that states with abortion bans tend have a cluster of other negative attributes. For example, such states generally have not expanded Medicaid; have higher murder and poverty rates and lower minimum wages; dominate the lists of worst schools in the country; and claim a disproportionate number of counties with the lowest life expectancy. As a report by Asha Banerjee of the Economic Policy Institute confirms, “the states enacting abortion bans are the same ones that are economically disempowering workers through other channels.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/26/abortion-polling-unifying-economic-issue/

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

the nazis promoted sterilization based on RACE and/or IQ.  they were all about the eugenics.

 

 

The law that got abortion to the supreme court, was a 15 week elective limit.  that a DEM pac fought to the supreme court.

 

from the post you made above, that viability is somewhere around birth.

 

I mean here in NY we changed it from mothers' health/life for late term abortions, to the mother's mental health for late term abortions.  so viability really means nothing in NY.

 

what's that magic number for viability?

 

here are the EU data that shows it varies from county to country, even being banned in some.

 

https://reproductiverights.org/european-abortion-law-comparative-overview-0/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Majorities support abortion under most circumstances 

 

Majorities of residents in 43 states and the District of Columbia say that abortion should be legal in most or all cases, and in 13 of those states and in DC, more than seven in ten residents support legal abortion. There are only seven states in which less than half of residents say abortion should be legal in most or all cases: South Dakota (42%), Utah (42%), Arkansas (43%), Oklahoma (45%), Idaho (49%), Mississippi (49%), and Tennessee (49%). Residents of nearly all states have become more likely to say abortion should be legal in most or all cases since PRRI’s last state-level data analysis, in 2018.

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Access to abortion, as well as the cultural milieu associated with that position, is certainly one of many factors people consider when determining where to live, work or start a business. It is also noteworthy that states with abortion bans tend have a cluster of other negative attributes. For example, such states generally have not expanded Medicaid; have higher murder and poverty rates and lower minimum wages; dominate the lists of worst schools in the country; and claim a disproportionate number of counties with the lowest life expectancy. As a report by Asha Banerjee of the Economic Policy Institute confirms, “the states enacting abortion bans are the same ones that are economically disempowering workers through other channels.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/26/abortion-polling-unifying-economic-issue/

thats a lot of words that gets blown out of the water by NET DOMESTIC MIGRATION.  

 

Cause its CALI, NY, Jersey, Ill that has people fleeing.   

 

https://dailyinfographic.com/united-states-domestic-migration-2021

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_net_migration#:~:text=U.S. states by net domestic migration (From June, 8.40 47 more rows

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

thats a lot of words that gets blown out of the water by NET DOMESTIC MIGRATION.  

 

Cause its CALI, NY, Jersey, Ill that has people fleeing.   

 

https://dailyinfographic.com/united-states-domestic-migration-2021

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_net_migration#:~:text=U.S. states by net domestic migration (From June, 8.40 47 more rows

The liberals cities are still growing. The rural Conservative areas are not 

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The liberals cities are still growing. The rural Conservative areas are not 

its like one strawman to the next.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-03/pandemic-migration-out-of-big-cities-like-nyc-la-is-reversing-in-2022

 

 

little help as well.  Slowing of trends is not a stop or reversal.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/americans-moving-urban-counties-141924038.html

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

54 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

its like one strawman to the next.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-03/pandemic-migration-out-of-big-cities-like-nyc-la-is-reversing-in-2022

 

 

little help as well.  Slowing of trends is not a stop or reversal.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/americans-moving-urban-counties-141924038.html

 

 

 

No, even in the red states it's the liberal cities and suburbs that are growing 

[Tiberius]

 

[sherpa]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

You know....You can post any number of these things and it still doesn't get to the undeniable reality.

 

Some pervert does something. Not a surprise. Happens all the time.

 

The undeniable reality I speak of is that some people think life begins at conception. 

Those people know what the term is for taking a life.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the actions of criminals.

 

It is an honest judgement, the same as was made in the 1800's when even though it had been the norm for centuries, people determined that people from another continent were entitled to be treated the same as other folks. 

 

The absolute lunacy of this is the claim that those people want to control reproductive rights, anymore than the people of the 1800's wanted to deny property rights.

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

You know....You can post any number of these things and it still doesn't get to the undeniable reality.

 

Some pervert does something. Not a surprise. Happens all the time.

 

The undeniable reality I speak of is that some people think life begins at conception. 

Those people know what the term is for taking a life.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the actions of criminals.

 

It is an honest judgement, the same as was made in the 1800's when even though it had been the norm for centuries, people determined that people from another continent were entitled to be treated the same as other folks. 

 

The absolute lunacy of this is the claim that those people want to control reproductive rights, anymore than the people of the 1800's wanted to deny property rights.

Well the "opiate of the masses" was stronger than before. Isn't that life begins at conception argument mostly a religious argument? 

[Tommy Callahan]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Well the "opiate of the masses" was stronger than before. Isn't that life begins at conception argument mostly a religious argument? 

IF you kill a pregnant woman, whats the charges?

 

 

[sherpa]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Well the "opiate of the masses" was stronger than before. Isn't that life begins at conception argument mostly a religious argument? 

 

Neither I nor you have any idea what causes people to believe that life begins at conception.

In no way does that diminish the view.

While I have no view on it, I do know that when my wife informed me of her three pregnancies, we viewed them as "lives." at that very instant.

 

Ergo, I respect the views of those who believe that.

 

What I would never do, and you have done, is celebrate the issue because it leads to election results you are favorable of.

 

That, sir, is despicable. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by sherpa

[BillStime]

Another WINNING strategy - who are these people?

 

 

[B-Man]

Good.

 

 

Court Rules New York Labor Law Violates Pregnancy Center’s ‘Right to Expressive Association’

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/03/court-rules-new-york-labor-law-violates-pregnancy-centers-right-to-expressive-association/

[B-Man]

 

 

 

NPR is taking some heat in the replies for calling these “abortion pills” — they’re “morning-after pills” — even if the woman behind the campaign and the billboards themselves use “abortion pills” to advertise their wares. Funny that abortion activists would care if they technically prevent a pregnancy or end one, though, isn’t it? But treatment for a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy is an abortion, or so they insist.

 

We know that NPR has staffers dedicated to covering abortion, but in this case, they’ve turned the mic over to Mississippi Public Broadcasting.

 

They just can’t hide it … they love abortion.

 

 

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[BillStime]

🎯

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody won a victory for life Tuesday when a federal judge said the state may defund the billion-dollar abortion chain Planned Parenthood.

 

“[I’m] proud to secure a victory in our case about whether Floridians should be forced to fund Planned Parenthood. The court reinstated what the legislature passed in 2016—a ban on state funds supporting clinics that provide abortions,” Moody said in a statement.

 

The March 7 order from U.S. District Judge Robert L. Hinkle ends a permanent injunction that blocked the law for more than six years.

 

{snip}

 

However, when the law goes into effect, it will not cut taxpayer funding for healthcare. Instead, it will redirect that money to clinics that offer real medical care and not elective abortions that kill unborn babies. (And there are hundreds of Free clinics throughout the state)

 

Many of Planned Parenthood’s non-abortion services have been declining rapidly over the past decade, according to its own annual reports. Meanwhile, its abortion numbers have been steadily increasing, and Planned Parenthood reported a record 383,460 abortions in 2020.

 

In Florida, 74,868 unborn babies were aborted in 2020, according to state health statistics.

 

https://www.lifenews.com/2023/03/08/florida-can-defund-planned-parenthood-after-judge-upholds-pro-life-law/

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[BillStime]

These idiots never learn

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

On 2/27/2023 at 6:40 PM, sherpa said:

What I would never do, and you have done, is celebrate the issue because it leads to election results you are favorable of.

 

That, sir, is despicable.

Oh come on.  Got your full culture warrior gear on.  I've not seen him celebrate abortion.  It's a legitimate issue that widely separates the 2 parties.  Some people choose to vote primarily on this issue.

[sherpa]

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Oh come on.  Got your full culture warrior gear on.  I've not seen him celebrate abortion.  It's a legitimate issue that widely separates the 2 parties.  Some people choose to vote primarily on this issue.

 

Really?

You have misstated what I said, even though you quoted it.

I never, ever said anyone celebrated abortion.

 

I said "celebrate the issue because it leads to favorable election results."

 

What do you 'spose thee quotes from that individual imply?

 

Nov 10:  Abortion will still be a hot topic in 2024. Dems can work referendums into several key battleground states to pump up the margins "

 

Sep 13: "sounds good to me, hopefully this will be the GOP's big ticket promise for the midterms! You can do it!!!"

 

Sep 13: "Good! let's hope the GOP really doubles down hard on this"

 

NOV 13:  You anti-abortion people really screwed the GOP over. Keep up the good work! "

 

Feb 14:  "Any GOP nominee for presidency will have to get down on their knees and promise the anti-Abortion people they are true believers. 

 Heavy cross to bear in a general election.  Good"

 

Feb 14: "Pro-choice, a good look 

 A winner on election day 

 

Sep 1: "Well...I'm pretty sure you guys just handed Democrats a winning issue 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

It's a legitimate issue that widely separates the 2 parties.  Some people choose to vote primarily on this issue.

I stand by this.  It's a highly political and polarizing topic.  people are passionate on both sides.  None of those quotes are despicable imo given his obvious pro choice stance.

Edited March 14, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

7 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

I stand by this.  It's a highly political and polarizing topic.  people are passionate on both sides.  None of those quotes are despicable imo given his obvious pro choice stance.

Only in this country for some reason.

 

ITs like the rest of the world had this conversation years ago.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

Only in this country for some reason.

 

ITs like the rest of the world had this conversation years ago.

 

Interesting map:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-abortion-is-illegal

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Interesting map:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-abortion-is-illegal

Nice link.  but here are the details for say the EU.  from outright bans to on demand.  seems like they had this convo.  but then again, here the extremes want all or nothing.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe

 

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-africa

 

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-asia

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_India

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Saudi_Arabia

 

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-latin-america-and-caribbean

 

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Nice link.  but here are the details for say the EU.  from outright bans to on demand.  seems like they had this convo.  Agreed

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Europe

 

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-africa

 

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-asia

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_India

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Saudi_Arabia

 

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-latin-america-and-caribbean

 

 

Agreed.  

[BillStime]

No, @BillsFanNC - not another example of actual COMMUNISTS? 

 

 

idiots

 

[Tommy Callahan]

just think. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if a highly funded PAC pushed that Mississippi legislation to the supreme court.

 

 

[BillStime]

Still having an impact 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Any updates on the leaker?

 

No?

 

Shocking!

[BillStime]

So much winning